Until you look at it from this perspective. This is directly from the apple epic trial I believe. Allowing developers to advertise other means of subscribing is no different than Verizon allowing Apple to encourage the purchase of an iphone at an Apple store with a sign in the Verizon store. Now why would any retailer, digital or otherwise, want a vendor partner to advertise another location to purchase their goods?
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Spotify Legal Chief: 'Apple's Ability to Strangle its Competitors is Unprecedented'
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I never said taking over the Internet. The Internet is a network so I'm not sure what that even means.
However, Apple is taking over all the services and features on iOS devices.
You need to do some reading. Start here.
Apple's 'monopoly power' over iPhone app distribution gives it outsized profits, antitrust committee says
The 450-page report from the Democratic majority staff of the House Judiciary Committee looks at Apple's control of its App Store, the only way for consumers to install apps or software on an iPhone, along with Apple's proclivity to buy smaller technology companies and turn them into features...
Then read the House Judiciary subcommittee report.
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I would say the whole way Apple exploits synergies around its entire ecosystem is pretty unprecedented and a phenomenal business. However, they will go as far as they possibly can until some sort of regulatory break is applied. That's just capitalism. The good news is that after the total pig's ear of a breakup that was AT&T, any regulation is going to be light.
Apple is not actively preventing Spotify from competing. That's the issue I have here. Spotify can exist without Apple. They can sell to Android users or any PC/Mac/Linux and the assortment of devices outside of the Apple ecosystem.
We have to remember that Apple created their mobile device. They can sell it with or without any third party developer application running on it. In fact, that is exactly how it started. So there is no way you can force Apple to allow another store or other developer to sell direct to an Apple customer. Just like you don't see any physical stores that have direct payments to the product vendors by the customer. You go to the register that is owned by that store, not the manufacture of the item your purchasing. GAP or Coach does not sell other brands in there store, because they don't have to. You don't go to GAP or Coach to by Levis or Prada or Gucci. You can go to Macy's (in the US) and purchase a variety of brands, but you pay Macy's. You can buy any game that BestBuy sells, but you don't pay EPIC or Microsoft or iD at the register. You pay BestBuy.
If the argument is that Apple should let the developers have the ability to put a link on the app to redirect the customer to a web page for direct payment. My answer to that is NO. It's the same thing as above. It's Apple's appstore, they house it and they maintain it. Just like any store, payments goes to the store register, not to anyone else.
Yeah, Apple always makes you pay a premium, be it for hardware or software, but at least you have a nicely curated App Store not some virus-ridden buggy Android Market, and you can always use Apple Music instead of Spotify if you don't want to pay more.
Or neither in my case. I don’t pay £3 more a month for an app and justify it because I’m an iPhone user though. Fair play if you’re fine with that though. I just use something else.
it's a great comparison.
It's Music available on the platform. Spotify is music on the platform.
- how you listen to your music or the source doesn't change the competition for users to use your service.
I want to listen to Da Baby, James Brown, etc ... the music source (if good) mostly doesn't matter, the pricing will affect the end user directly - but on the same platform its about choice/availability of the medium (music)/and quality of the medium ... which service meh doesn't matter as much as the medium
Music.
Do you people (you aren’t the only one that has said this) have any proof that it’s too much? Are you the CFO of Apple and know their financials?
You can do this. I see it right now looking at Affinity Photo. There is a link to their website.
Spotify was founded AFTER Apple got in the music industry with iPod and iTunes. Streaming is just natural evolution of listening to music in 2021.
Then let that happen. Apple will have two choices then. Change or let the iPhone die.
I honestly do not buy this argument that PS5 and Xbox are sold at a loss. Because if so, they have MAJOR issues with all the scalping, low supply and now games being $70.
While I agree, Apple got there using innovation. That from Apple is not we have seen in a while. Sadly.
I guess people and companies think you can’t improve your existing offerings. Apple was in the music industry WAY before Spotify was even founded. So what is the end game? Apple cannot even mention Apple Music because that’s anti competitive since Spotify is not mentioned. Duh of course companies promote their own products. I don’t see Microsoft promoting PlayStation.
Or that I’m trapped in Windows since I use Visual Studio 2019 and ReSharper. I don’t want to move to Rider on macOS so I’m trapped with Windows! Plus I spent quite a bit of money on Visual Studio. Just like your games example.
Spotify is NOT alone !
Epic & Spotify get the headlines, but there are others, perhaps many others, building their case against AAPL.
IMO, it is just a matter of time before Apple has competition at-least with respect to App Discovery.
Think of it as an important Bill Murray Baby Step towards full-blown third-party App Stores !
It's just a matter of time !
Epic & Spotify get the headlines, but there are others, perhaps many others, building their case against AAPL.
IMO, it is just a matter of time before Apple has competition at-least with respect to App Discovery.
Think of it as an important Bill Murray Baby Step towards full-blown third-party App Stores !
It's just a matter of time !
Silliness. If you want to complain about the 30% fee, fine. Say that it's excessive, fine.
But when so many others charge the same fee - and one focuses exclusively on Apple as being a boogeyman for charging it - then you look more than a little bit like a fool.
I am baffled as to why so many see Apple as evil for charging this fee. If you want the fee lowered, fine. Then go after the industry that charges it, not just one company.
Silliness.
But when so many others charge the same fee - and one focuses exclusively on Apple as being a boogeyman for charging it - then you look more than a little bit like a fool.
I am baffled as to why so many see Apple as evil for charging this fee. If you want the fee lowered, fine. Then go after the industry that charges it, not just one company.
Silliness.
What’s stopping people from signing up for Spotify at the Spotify website, then signing in with their active account in the Spotify application?
That’s how Amazon handled video rentals last time I tried(it’s been over a year, not sure if this has changed). That’s how my Netflix and HBO subscriptions work.
They could even remove the option to subscribe via the app which would force users to sign up on the web. Is that prohibited?
Honestly, Apple’s approach is somewhat inconsistent in the App Store with game streaming vs video streaming so I understand why Spotify and Epic are interested in going the legal route, but they knew and AGREED to the rules as soon as they signed up so… 🤷🏽♂️
That’s how Amazon handled video rentals last time I tried(it’s been over a year, not sure if this has changed). That’s how my Netflix and HBO subscriptions work.
They could even remove the option to subscribe via the app which would force users to sign up on the web. Is that prohibited?
Honestly, Apple’s approach is somewhat inconsistent in the App Store with game streaming vs video streaming so I understand why Spotify and Epic are interested in going the legal route, but they knew and AGREED to the rules as soon as they signed up so… 🤷🏽♂️
scientists find water to be wet!You need to do some reading. Start here.
Apple's 'monopoly power' over iPhone app distribution gives it outsized profits, antitrust committee says
The 450-page report from the Democratic majority staff of the House Judiciary Committee looks at Apple's control of its App Store, the only way for consumers to install apps or software on an iPhone, along with Apple's proclivity to buy smaller technology companies and turn them into features...www.cnbc.com
Then read the House Judiciary subcommittee report.
of course they hold monopoly power over their iPhone platform. One that they created for their own devices.
the issue (as being discussed with the epic case) is whether any company can create a platform and be sole distributor on that platform. Which is what PlayStation, Xbox and Nintendo have.
remember these are not natural resources or products that lend themselves to natural monopolies. This is all self built through their own investment and inginuity. To claim that Apple is creating hardship for a market that they built is Kind of crazy.
furthermore, should epic allow stores and alternative currencies on their “fortnite platform”? where do you stop?
if Apple shut down the App Store would it be illegal that there is no way to get apps on an iPhone?
If the App Store was a physical store, would the store allow a sign on the package: if you order direct from the manufacturer's website, you can buy 30% cheaper than when you buy in our store?
With physical stores nobody has a problem ALSO looking on the internet if cheaper options exist, even if there is no sign on the package telling me I could also order direct from the manufacturer.
best buy does add some % to the price they pay to buy the product. That % is probably not 30%, but substantial.
Spotify is keeping more than 30% actually. When a radio station plays music, they have to pay the right holders just like Spotify has to (at least in my country). Except that Spotify pays significantly less than radio stations. I'm pretty sure that it is more than 30% difference.