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I feel that eventually Spotify will leverage their volume to cut thinner deals with labels and become (barely) profitable in the next couple years. I also feel that Tidal will be limping to the barn within 1.5 years and will be absorbed by Spotify in a fire sale. We will probably have four comparable services (Apple, Spotify, Google, and Amazon) in the end, and all but Spotify will position as value adds for other ecosystems, while Spotify will be more like Roku in that they will work with everyone (even HomePod, eventually). Just my armchair guesses.
 
I love Spotify, it's light-weight and straight forward, easy to find music, add to playlists, done.

Apple Music's biggest problem is that it's bolted on top of the Mac iTunes app, which since the first iPhone has become a cluster**** of a bloated piece of garbage application that I removed it from my dock entirely... on iOS devices it's tolerable, but useless on my Mac work.

My gut feeling says come macOS 10.15 Apple just marzipans the iOS Music apps to macOS and kills/sunsets iTunes classic.
Agreed. Very fast and straight forward. You can never beat the dark theme either.
I hear a new song- Shazam it, them bam add it to a playlist in Spotify. And my playlists always sync perfectly. Spotify=the app for "it just works".
Here and there I'll have to open iTunes or Music on my iPhone for my previous purchases or CDs and I will just hate the heavy UI and constant glitches (and no not exaggerating) . And the colour scheme on iOS is ridiculous, it's basically pink, we've been stuck with it since iOS 7/8...
I tried 3 months of Apple Music when 8.4 was released and all it did was mess up my local library on my Mac. I learnt not to trust a cloud system like this again.
 
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I feel that eventually Spotify will leverage their volume to cut thinner deals with labels and become (barely) profitable in the next couple years. I also feel that Tidal will be limping to the barn within 1.5 years and will be absorbed by Spotify in a fire sale. We will probably have four comparable services (Apple, Spotify, Google, and Amazon) in the end, and all but Spotify will position as value adds for other ecosystems, while Spotify will be more like Roku in that they will work with everyone (even HomePod, eventually). Just my armchair guesses.

Tidal is almost over and can be killed if Spotify or Apple Music implement the one thing Tidal offers the other don’t - FLAC music.

If you’re an audiophile and you have a good amp and digital analog converter along with a good set of cans, FLAC is superior to the sound quality of compressed digital music and it’s noticeable. Much more detailed and we find where you actually hear things that are happening behind the scenes more accurately.

Problem is FLAC are very large files in data and you pay more for that subscription because of the Download / Storage difference.

I own Sennheiser HD650’s and Schitt Amp & DAC so I know when I can hear a difference with FLAC and MP4 with the right equipment aka earphones that are being pushed properly.

I wish Spotify or Apple Music offered FLAC.
 
To me both Spotify and AM have their pros and cons and you will never please everyone. I think it's good that both exist because it forces each of them to get better over time. This is another case where you'll have two very capable, and huge popular products, fighting for users for years to come.

What we have is two great products that will each have their supporters and their haters, and they will each be stronger together than either one of them would be alone.
 
Spotify is trapped financially because music streaming is largely a commoditized business where consumers will choose largely based on price so it can't raise prices to make a profit. It's big competitors have other revenue streams so they can bundle it, or subsidize it (Amazon music being "free."). Spotify's investors, venture capitalists, knew this, but they have been willing to lose money in the hopes that they would make their money back on an IPO, (didn't work) or get bought out.

Now strategy is simply to pump numbers, and they are willing to keep hemorrhaging money in the hopes that the numbers will be high enough that someone will buy them out. Again, problem is that music streaming is commoditized so there is a limited value to their music streaming business as there are a plethora of streaming businesses to buy if a big player wants to add streaming music to their business. Remember, they are all essentially offering the same licensed music, so anyone can enter game and then its "simply" a matter of marketing. Best hope for them is major player wants to monetize the 180 million users in some other way. Their worst fear is that Apple is about to bundle music with other services that will make AM even better proposition, or that their losses will continue to be huge and stock value plummets.

As the IPO gets released I’m hoping and betting Apple will do the following:

- Offer AM free trial with Mac purchase (I think this is slowly beginning to happen; prior to back to school I saw something like this from Apple).
- overhaul IOS iTunes and MacOS iTunes for more efficient navigation.
- Apple combines END user karaoke like future (better than Smule) to limited tracks at first.
- musicians and singers offering some form of musical lesson - not unlike what GarageBand does for playing instruments!!
- for the global win: Apple users will be allowed to upload their own created songs: complete with sample detection (to not violate rights), some form of statistics, and Apple offering replies from distributors or the big music players to offer you contracts with clear wording. The end user can choose to go independent (Apple will route funds similar to developers and App Store), allowing analytics similar to what developers now recently get since the beginning of this year.

Yup this last one will KILL Spotify.

Been using Spotify for over a year. Recently signed up for 4 month trial of AM. So far, every time (and I mean every time) I've asked Siri to play something, she gets it wrong. My family laughs. I just shake my head and go back to Spotify.

Just getting my personal (owned) music into my Apple Music library was a slow, painful exercise. I just don't see why people love AM so much?

I’m so Very PISSED with this! I signed up for AM last month directly on my SE.
- iOS does NOT back up your own music into iCloud! Grrrrrr!!

- some songs I have that where a unique version (ex The Bomb by Bucketheads a club remix of over 7mins) was replaced by a radio mix of under 4mins!! I’m SUPER F’ ING PISSSED as I noticed this in the very first bar and messsd up my workout from AW3


- there needs to be a very defined and clear cut way to disable songs being replaced (multiple selection/all). Even though I was asked to KEEP or REPLACE songs and chose keep after restoring from iCloud (some music remained).

Works most of time for me on iPhone and I can't remember HomePod getting it wrong. Maybe you have strange accent?

In 2018 the accent of a person should not really affect an AI too much. This highlights Siri limitation vs AM.
 

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They’re hoping to, more subscribers the more power they have talking to the record companies for royalty rates.


Actually, they are just trying to get numbers up to get bought out and make profits. There is no path for them to become profitable as they are boxed in and can't raise prices. They are already paying musicians half of what Apple is. They have no real leverage with labels because Spotify needs to license their content. They already have several million fewer songs than Apple Music, what are they going to say to the record labels, lower what we have to pay you or we are going to cut our customers off from the music you own? LOL. That's why Spotify can't start producing independent label, and why they go to great lengths to say they have no interest in doing so, because the record labels would then stop licensing their music to Spotify and Spotify would go out of business. No, they are trapped in a failed business model with the only way out to get someone else to buy them out.
 
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As the IPO gets released I’m hoping and betting Apple will do the following:

- Offer AM free trial with Mac purchase (I think this is slowly beginning to happen; prior to back to school I saw something like this from Apple).
- overhaul IOS iTunes and MacOS iTunes for more efficient navigation.
- Apple combines END user karaoke like future (better than Smule) to limited tracks at first.
- musicians and singers offering some form of musical lesson - not unlike what GarageBand does for playing instruments!!
- for the global win: Apple users will be allowed to upload their own created songs: complete with sample detection (to not violate rights), some form of statistics, and Apple offering replies from distributors or the big music players to offer you contracts with clear wording. The end user can choose to go independent (Apple will route funds similar to developers and App Store), allowing analytics similar to what developers now recently get since the beginning of this year.

Yup this last one will KILL Spotify.



I’m so Very PISSED with this! I signed up for AM last month directly on my SE.
- iOS does NOT back up your own music into iCloud! Grrrrrr!!

- some songs I have that where a unique version (ex The Bomb by Bucketheads a club remix of over 7mins) was replaced by a radio mix of under 4mins!! I’m SUPER F’ ING PISSSED as I noticed this in the very first bar and messsd up my workout from AW3


- there needs to be a very defined and clear cut way to disable songs being replaced (multiple selection/all). Even though I was asked to KEEP or REPLACE songs and chose keep after restoring from iCloud (some music remained).



In 2018 the accent of a person should not really affect an AI too much. This highlights Siri limitation vs AM.
But it does.
 
I switched from Spotify to Apple Music for three months free service. I wonder if they are considering free subscriptions as part of “subscriptions” when they are providing statistics?

Having said that in this time I honestly don’t mind Apple Music and it’s the same price as Spotify. I was able to transfer my playlists with Songshift.

Functionality still has a little ways to go to match Spotify but it is navigable.

It seamlessly works with Siri to find music and I don’t miss Spotify for any one feature in particular enough to go back. So I’m sticking with Apple Music when my subscription ends in July.

I wonder how many people that tried the free service are actually sticking with Apple Music?
Does Siri not work with Spotify?
 
Spotify has been my preferred music provider since 2016 and I'm still loving it. Premium is well worth it and I'm very happy with the investment. Definitely would recommend it to friends.
 
Does Siri not work with Spotify?

No, Siri doesn’t play nice with Spotify.

Spotify has a “voice search” to work with iOS but you have to engage it from the app.

Now that Apple Music is around Apple will try to make that experience less seamless or cooperate with Spotify with Siri, which makes sense because you can’t open up Apple Music from an android phone using Bixby or Google Assistant.
 
Spotify has better algorithms for finding music you’ll enjoy. Every week they manage to find new stuff I love. I tried Apple Music several times and couldn’t get over its weaker music discovery playlists. Don’t know what I would do without Spotify’s Discover Weekly and Release Radar.

Same. It’s Thursday and I cannot wait for those as well as the „New Music Friday“ playlists to be updated
 
No, Siri doesn’t play nice with Spotify.

Spotify has a “voice search” to work with iOS but you have to engage it from the app.

Now that Apple Music is around Apple will try to make that experience less seamless or cooperate with Spotify with Siri, which makes sense because you can’t open up Apple Music from an android phone using Bixby or Google Assistant.

Google Assistant works fine with Spotify, which is a competitor with Google's own Google Music streaming service.
 
If Google Assistant works with Spotify on an Android phone, surely Siri should work with Spotify on an iOS device.

Nope , like I mentioned they don’t play nice.

Sure Android plays nice with whom it wishes however it’s truly not open source if it doesn’t play nice with “everyone”, so if that’s your point i wasn’t sure.

Let’s just say android plays a little better with others but not fully.
 
Nope , like I mentioned they don’t play nice.

Sure Android plays nice with whom it wishes however it’s truly not open source if it doesn’t play nice with “everyone”, so if that’s your point i wasn’t sure.

Let’s just say android plays a little better with others but not fully.

Or one company takes the "its our ball and you only get play with our ball". One company doesn't take that attitude.
 
So far, I'm still ripping CDs. I have my music everywhere, always; no worries about one service or another going exclusive or not having the album I want to hear; the artists I like get paid for their work...

I don't get the streaming music thing at all.

Excuse me, I think the kids are on my lawn again...
 
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So far, I'm still ripping CDs. I have my music everywhere, always; no worries about one service or another going exclusive or not having the album I want to hear; the artists I like get paid for their work...

I don't get the streaming music thing at all.

Excuse me, I think the kids are on my lawn again...

In some ways I agree about artists getting paid (and also those involved for their work) but I have to admit services like Tidal, Apple Music and Spotify have led me to buying MORE music, not less.

There’s something still satisfying about buying physical CDs but sometimes I’ve been unable to get my hands on a copy i.e. it’s download only.

I hate streaming here in the UK as it’s meant some really s+*t music has charted much higher on combined streaming/sales than if it was sales only.
 
For me, a big plus for Spotify is their Spotify Connect - which means I can listen ever so easily to any of my Smart Speakers [of which I have waaaaaaaaaay too many] although not the Apple HomePod speaker simply on account of cost.

Try listening to Google Play Music on an Amazon Echo, or Amzn Music Unlimited on Google Home, nope, CANNOT be done, but it can EASILY be done via Spotify.

I know, who needs three music services, but the proliferation of free trials means it is possible.
 
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