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Spotify on Apple's Response to App Store Dispute: 'Every Monopolist Will Suggest They Have Done Nothing Wrong'
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A merger can be blocked because of antitrust concerns.
It is the EU competition commissioner who handles all these issues.
Maybe if you pray really hard your wish will come true.
For me, I know better than to bet against Apple. They aren’t perfect, but there’s no way anything you mentioned is ever going to happen. Apple will be here for a long time....
LOL!
This is too funny..
Here's what I was greeted with upon clicking the first link..
haha
So funny given we are talking about subscriptions....
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I just don't see what business costs justifies the enforcement of the 30% for under 1/year subs
It's completely trivial on their end to have people sub'ing/un-sub'ing, etc.
The only thing they are worried about there is showing services revenue growth, incentivized by retention.
They should back off on that a touch.
There is no rule but Uber/ Lyft isn't a subscription based service that Apple would have to process transactions on over a regular basis (and handle credit card transactions, declines, fraud etc).
Ironic, but you can still see the chart. Scroll a little.
That being said, what new users do you imagine are paying 30% if they can't even subscribe through the App Store at all?
How much revenue does Spotify make on iOS vs Android vs Desktop? I think a true argument can't be made until we know that.
And when speaking about market share, must include iPads and other tablets.
And when speaking about market share, must include iPads and other tablets.
30% is perfectly fine for in-App purchases or App sales. For subscriptions I think Apple should lower it. 30% at sign-up and 3-5% for subsequent years or straight up 10% every year.
For the people complaining about losing 30% of your App sale to Apple, how long have you been developing software? In the days of packaged software (when you used to head to the store to buy a physical copy of that new game you wanted) the publisher, distributor and retail store all took around 70% leaving you with 30% for yourself.
Which is why I think most developers don’t complain about Apple’s (or Google’s) 30% cut. Only Daniel Ek and a small group of like-minded whiners. Seriously, with the huge number of developers in The App Store, how come we aren’t seeing thousands and thousands of complaints?
I imagine apple are a nightmare to work for from a suppliers/ app developers point of you but 30% is the going rate of discount/commission. Amazon take over 40% from their suppliers
Last week Apple was offering a 10% bonus for up iTunes top up payments. Apple also sells iTunes top up cards in shops, the shops obviously sell them because they get commission. I'd guess 10%.
So WTF should Apple accept 1-5% and lose 5% to a competitor for some sales after doing the platform and payment for them?
Looks more like Apple gets between 5% to 15%. Not a straight 15%.
That's not greedy, that's a modest margin and a business that isn't gouging.
It already is 15% after the first year. And Google marched in tune with them.
https://support.google.com/googleplay/android-developer/answer/112622?hl=en
Irrelevant. It doesn't really matter what you, or I think is OK.
It's Apples service, they get to price it.
Why should You, Spotify, or even the Government get to dictate Apples pricing?
This is supposed to be a free market, and not Government price controlled system?
To those who do not know, the over a year subscription being 15% isn't actually universal.
"If a user cancels their subscription, there is a 60-day grace period where they can resubscribe and will remain in the 85 percent revenue tier for developers." --Apple Insider
So if a user has been a subscriber for over a year, deactivates Spotify Premium for more than 60 days, and then reactivates Spotify through the App Store, using their previous subscription through the App Store's subscriptions page, that is the only way Apple is getting 30% from Spotify. Otherwise, not even on new users is Spotify paying 30%. There is only one improbable situation where Spotify actually pays Apple 30% at all, and even in that case most wouldn't even know how to reactivate expired subscriptions that way. I've never done it so I don't even know if it's possible, for all I know, attempting to even do that might spit out an error. Which in that case then its a 0% chance that Spotify pays Apple 30% at all.
"If a user cancels their subscription, there is a 60-day grace period where they can resubscribe and will remain in the 85 percent revenue tier for developers." --Apple Insider
So if a user has been a subscriber for over a year, deactivates Spotify Premium for more than 60 days, and then reactivates Spotify through the App Store, using their previous subscription through the App Store's subscriptions page, that is the only way Apple is getting 30% from Spotify. Otherwise, not even on new users is Spotify paying 30%. There is only one improbable situation where Spotify actually pays Apple 30% at all, and even in that case most wouldn't even know how to reactivate expired subscriptions that way. I've never done it so I don't even know if it's possible, for all I know, attempting to even do that might spit out an error. Which in that case then its a 0% chance that Spotify pays Apple 30% at all.
I was not disputing that.
I was asking if there's a level you'd be not happy about..
What if Apple wanted 100% of the revenue?
I assume you'd not find that acceptable, right?
Because Amazon has a dominant market position. My favorite company between the two is actually Amazon, though
I think Apple knows a little bit about Spotify subscriber growth based on their comments in their rebuttal:
“After using the App Store for years to dramatically grow their business“
Apple would know how many iOS users have Spotify installed and how many bought a subscription through the App. Further, Apple would know how this number has grown over time.
I’m looking forward to seeing this information come out at trial.
There are no such things as truly free markets.
[doublepost=1552783397][/doublepost]Anyhow - I've said plenty on this topic and made my feelings known.
Have a great night/day all
Yeah, I knew that but forgot to mention it. I did point this out in the other thread where I stated Daniel Ek is being deceitful by thruwung around the 30% figure while neglecting to mention the reduction to 15%.
Because they have super high margins. But relatively few people buy their products, and you can easily consider them all luxury items, so they're still not anywhere close to being a monopoly.
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If people are willing to give Apple 70% to sell through their store, that's fine. Probably few are, though.
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