Yes. I'm pointing out it wasn't about marketshare.
It's a pretty substantial data point. Clearly did nothing to increase their revenue, something of which they argued was important to address against Apple.
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Spotify Raising Prices in Multiple Countries
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Yes. I'm pointing out it wasn't about marketshare.
It's a pretty substantial data point. Clearly did nothing to increase their revenue, something of which they argued was important to address against Apple.
None of those are good reasons. You can do better.
Great I'm glad we cleared things up!
Yes. And because of the 30% disadvantage and the rules, they decided to not show the price in app.
It's literally what they were complaining about against Apple as I've already quoted from the CEO in the previous post. They wanted to show they are price competitive against Apple Music as opposed to showing the inflated price or showing an IAP option which would be at a 30% disadvantage in any scenario. They are now in the position to show this after getting the 30% price power back.
To say it's not relevant is ridiculous. You're not following along so I'm happy to leave it at that.
They are not mixed. You can use a tab to search either. You can make personal playlists that are mixed but the library tracks are only available to you if you share it.
I've made my choice, and it's not Apple Music. Thank you.
They’re the only streaming music company not funded as a side business from a larger company. They were FINALLY able to pull a profit by steering folks to AI artists that accept lower royalties and they’re trying their best to NOT report that they’re back out of profitability.
I don’t feel sorry for them. They were the ones that decided to go into the music streaming business not understanding that it’s not viable as a primary business (and only barely viable as a side-business to a much larger bucket o’ money).
The EU would say that Apple’s ability to pay more in royalties would be anti-competitive and they need to give some of their money to Spotify so Spotify can pay more. And they STILL won’t.Apple Music with included hi res music is now an even better option.
Perhaps Apple should leverage this with some PR and RAISE their royalty payment to the highest of any streaming service and put the boot in
Yes, they now have have the ability to advertise a price in-app that isn't inflated.
They aren't receiving more revenue per customer because of the change.
That is all that my point was.
Your initial post seemed to imply Spotify was now receiving more per customer because of the EU change, so no price increases would be needed. Maybe that is not what you meant, but that's how I interpreted it. They may have had the opportunity to grow their overall revenue because of the ability to advertise in their app. It's possible they will fail at that in the long term.
Their subscription prices have followed inflation, even trailing it somewhat, so I don't see why the price increase would be unexpected with or without the EU rule.
Why does Spotify raising their prices by 1 euro or whatever invalidate their claims?
Apple Music has a deep well of unadvertised extras no other service has.
Spotify=Support Joe Rogan. Find a different service.
It would not be possible to have a library the size of a quality streaming service.
Apple wasn’t getting 15% or 30% since 2016 when Sotify stopped allowing signups in the App. This wasn’t a trick like Epic—Apple made changes to rules that allowed this. It’s also why Netflix stopped doing signups in their App.
Despite Spotify not paying fees to Apple since 2016, Daniel Ek STILL lies continually by stating Apple wants 30%. Even up to a couple months ago he was still repeating this 30% lie while intentionally leaving out that it’s 15% for recurring signups.
Daniel Ek is the master of misinformation.
Support spotify=support joe rogan and other garbage like this.
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Now that I’ve put the kid to bed, I have more than two minutes to find quotes saying EU regulations would lower prices. Since MacRumors Forum members’ opinions don’t actually matter in the grand scheme of things, let’s see what the EU has to say.
From the EU webpage on the DMA (emphasis theirs):
From another webpage of propaganda promoting their overbearing regulations. Emphasis mine this time:
The DMA’s author, Vestager, was quoted on this page (emphasis mine again):
You get the point. So was it the EU who you were referring to when you said “thems lying”?
Or, rather than EU officials, let’s see what @Mrkevinfinnerty has to say about competition lowering prices, bold text is your emphasis, underlined text is my emphasis. You’re quoting Tim Sweeney here:
In your defense, you don’t say the DMA will lower prices, but that competition will lower commissions. So was the idea of the DMA that it would lower commissions for large, exploitative businesses like Epic and Spotify, allowing them to make more profit, but not benefit consumers? Shocking that the EU didn’t lead with that.
Are you saying that Spotify could have continued offering signups in their app and Apple wouldn’t have taken a cut?
between this and ID verification thing they're doing in the UK, and them pushing AI generated music, I'm canceling my family plan at the end of the year. (That gives me time to back up my favorite playlists and slowly buy up what I don't own). Just ordered the parts to upgrade several of my old iPod classic's also. I'm excited to get back to being more... thoughtful about my music consumption. Short term it costs me a little more upfront, long term I'll be saving money by like year 2? and this way I'm actually supporting artists as well. I'm in my 30's. I like the same 100 albums or so a lot, and every year I discover what... three new albums? maybe 10 that are good in a great year? that's cheaper to just buy them directly. And that's not including anything I decide I'll just take to the high seas to get...
No, I’m saying Spotify only allowed signups on their website from 2016 thereby bypassing 100% of subscription fees.
Of course Spotify claims this adds too much friction and consumers are apparently too stupid to realize you need to signup at their website.
Then Spotify went on to grow into a monopoly in music streaming despite this apparent issue people didn’t know about.
Great, so you agree that had they offered signups in app that Apple would have wanted their 30%.
God forbid Spotify pay for using Apple’s intellectual property to make money
Thinking about it though, their business model is not paying people for their work, so I suppose it’s on brand.
We’re kind of tangenting off the actual point I was making, but sure, I do agree that Spotify should pay artists more. Now that you bring it up, I also think Apple should pay artists more. Like I said originally, both companies can be in the wrong simultaneously.God forbid Spotify pay for using Apple’s intellectual property to make money
Thinking about it though, their business model is not paying people for their work, so I suppose it’s on brand.
I just don’t agree that Apple deserves a cut of every transaction made on an iPhone, particularly when their services in exchange for that cut are kinda low-effort. I’m sure you’re going to do the whole “but what about the XYZ store or the blah blah blah store, they’re even worse”, to which I would again refer back to my original point.
But Apple don’t get a cut on Spotify since 2016. They host it for free, they let you download on all your devices. They gave Spotify devs the tools and the environment for $99 a year to capture millions of customers.
I think that’s been a pretty good deal for Spotify. And anyone too silly to not work out how to subscribe on their website probably shouldn’t be on the internet.
Apple do pay more than Spotify.
Should it be higher? I would argue yes.
That doesn’t put Apple in the same league as Spotify though. Apple at least create content on Apple TV