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Apple lets me use iOS without charging me? Did you lost your Software Licensing Agreement for iOS? https://www.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/iOS13_iPadOS13.pdf

I'm not reading all that just to find out it doesn't include anything about anyone being charged for iOS.

Show. Us. Your. Receipt.


I said users paid for iOS and I explained it very clearly. When you purchase a phone, software licensing is included. When you buy a mac, software licensing is included. When you buy a Surface Pro, software licensing is included. The fact that Apple didn't sell iOS separately doesn't mean I didn't pay for it.

You bought an iPhone and Apple generously provided the OS for free. This is not complicated.
 
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I'm not reading all that just to find out it doesn't include anything about anyone being charged for iOS.

Show. Us. Your. Receipt.

You bought an iPhone and Apple generously provided the OS for free. This is not complicated.

Show me your receipt of airplane meals.
The contractual agreement between you and Apple is that your purchase of iPhone granted you
"a limited non-exclusive license to use the Apple Software on a single Apple-branded Device" (Software Licensing Agreement). Do you need to call a lawyer to understand that? Should I ask an Apple representative to explain this to you?
 
Show me your receipt of airplane meals.
The contractual agreement between you and Apple is that your purchase of iPhone granted you
"a limited non-exclusive license to use the Apple Software on a single Apple-branded Device" (Software Licensing Agreement). Do you need to call a lawyer to understand that? Should I ask an Apple representative to explain this to you?

In other words, iOS (Or more accurately use of iOS) came free with the phone.
You still haven't shown anything saying you have to pay to use iOS. A license agreement is not a bill of sale.
 
It doesn't matter. The point is, it doesn't have a price tag attached.

Apple didn't attach a price for iOS, ergo, "Apple generously provided [it] for free".
How grateful you must be for McDonalds' for generously allowing you to dine in their establishment for free! After all, there is no price tag for occupying and using their facility, only a price tag for the food served.
 
Apple didn't attach a price for iOS, ergo, "Apple generously provided [it] for free".
How grateful you must be for McDonalds' for generously allowing you to dine in their establishment for free! After all, there is no price tag for occupying and using their facility, only a price tag for the food served.
Why do you get a discount on the food from take-out window? If not, it must be, that you can dine-in for free. Right?
 
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Why do you get a discount on the food from take-out window? If not, it must be, that you can dine-in for free. Right?

My local McDonalds' (NYC) doesn't have a discount for the food from take-out window. Don't know what McDonalds' you're dining in.
 
My local McDonalds' (NYC) doesn't have a discount for the food from take-out window. Don't know what McDonalds' you're dining in.
That's the point (sic). So as dining in is "free", ios is "free". We know it's not "free", the margin for support of ios is built into the price of the phone, whether apple provides updates for 5 years or 7 years (like the 5s).
 
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Why do you get a discount on the food from take-out window? If not, it must be, that you can dine-in for free. Right?

No, you cannot dine in for free. You have to order their food to dine in their place. And you paid to dine at their place. They didn't generously provide "dining in" for free.
See the similarity with iPhone/iOS?
 
Well, I’ve missed a whole lot... wow. I’ll have to catch up another time.

In my brief cursory review, my question becomes - is it that Fortnite wants to liberate the consumer? Or does the Fortnite company want to liberate themselves from the 30% fees (which I thought was just for the first year, not ongoing)?

Either way, it’s a mess.

Apple isn’t the only company that charges a fee for the use of their platform and/or a percentage of sales made on their platform, so it will be interesting to see how this plays out and what it may mean for other companies that have a similar model.
 
No, you cannot dine in for free. You have to order their food to dine in their place. And you paid to dine at their place. They didn't generously provide "dining in" for free.
See the similarity with iPhone/iOS?

And the toy in your cereal box isn't free and the floor mats and warranty that came with your new car weren't free, nor was the gun you got for opening a bank account in the midwest. This happens all the time but you don't get any rights over the non-free free part because you didn't expressly pay for it. For someone so finicky about legal definitions I don't know why this concept of free gifts escapes you. Its been a retail staple for longer than I've been alive, probably you too.
 
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No, you cannot dine in for free. You have to order their food to dine in their place. And you paid to dine at their place. They didn't generously provide "dining in" for free.
See the similarity with iPhone/iOS?
No. Because you don't get a discount by ordering at the take-out window. That must mean you can dine for free.

Using Starbucks as an example, you can walk into a Starbucks with your own food and start eating. They will not throw you out per new policies. You can eat for free.
 
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