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Sprint Commits to Buying $20 Billion Worth of iPhones, To Get Redesigned iPhone 5 Exclusively?
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You're being purposefully obtuse now.
Again, what you're saying is the iPhone 4 was the iPhone 3 (the 3rd case revision. Original -> 3G -> 4, 3 case designs). Makes no sense.
Or you're saying the iPhone 3G was the 3rd iPhone.
Or...
Anyway, I can see you won't ever derail and you won't convince me. I'll stick to prediction and stick to my point that iPhone 4S makes no sense. And stop saying the 3GS was simply a minor spec bump. It wasn't. It was the first major update the iPhone received after the original introduction.
iPhone 1 -> iPhone
iPhone 2 -> iPhone 3G
iPhone 3 -> iPhone 3GS (see why they couldn't use 3 now ?)
iPhone 4 -> iPhone 4
And now you're telling me naming the 5th iPhone "iPhone 4S" makes sense ? No. Just. No. If they do go for it, then I'm sorry, I still don't think it makes sense.
Why do you keep insisting that I said this? I never said it and it wouldn't make any sense to say that.
Apparently, you just don't understand their naming convention up to this point. I'm not going to try to break it down for you anymore.
I do understand it, that's the point. I think you fail to see why they had to use the "3GS" compromise after I explained it 5 times already.
Guess we'll have to agree to disagree, you'd rather eat the Apple party line, I'd rather look at it logically.
Your "explanation" is based entirely on the assumption that they have always wanted to number the iPhones. e.g. 1, 2, 3 ... However, someone at Apple ****ed that whole idea up when they named your supposed iPhone 2 the iPhone 3G. Apparently, they didn't consult your naming scheme before that one, eh?
Or maybe they finally fixed it with iPhone 4 and now you're proposing they go and break it all again.
Again, agree to disagree, you're not convincing me at all.
(and they named the iPhone 3G because frankly, it wasn't much of an iPhone 2. It was basically the original with a 3G chip and a plastic case instead of metal to help with reception).
Apple doesn't believe in naming like those, they believe logically. The part/parts which gets improved.
First iPhone
-What should we name it, Sir?
Apple - Apple iPhone
Second iPhone
-What should we name it, Sir?
Apple - This iPhone can operate on 3G network so we will call it iPhone 3G.
Third iPhone
-What should we call this?
Apple - It operates on 3G network and is much faster and speedier than iPhone 3G so we will call it iPhone 3GS.
Fourth iPhone
-Now what?
Apple - The Antenna is redesigned, It is very fast and feature-rich also looks different than iPhone 3GS so we will call it iPhone 4.
-Uhh??
Apple - This iPhone looks exactly like iPhone 4 and performs fairly fast so we will call it iPhone 4S.
-What about the other one?(*wishful thinking*)
Apple - It looks very different, it is slim and faster than iPhone 4 and iPhone 4S so we should call this mighty warrior "iPhone 5".
I guess I cleared the naming scheme for you.
P.S - It is Apple. They think logically and don't go with Numeric system like Hollywood.
In countries where you can buy an iPhone without any contract, the iPhone will cost you the equivalent of $600 to $700. Other high end phones cost you the same, for example a Galaxy S2 at www.o2.co.uk is £450.
Well, if Apple were to sell two new phone models, one that is roughly the same as the iPhone 4, and one that is a lot improved, then iPhone 4S and iPhone 5 would make perfectly sense. The iPhone 5 would obviously be the new top end phone. The iPhone 4S could be anything; it could for example be a slimmed down version, as good as the iPhone 4 but with some specs trimmed down, but replacing the current iPhone 3 models at the same price. The same as selling the 3GS and the 4 today.
That way Apple would make the same money, put pressure on competitors, and iPhone 4 owners wouldn't be unhappy (they would be unhappy if new customers would get a better phone for less money).
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Who's to say they're not going to change the naming convention post-4S? You're right that it would be strange to go from 4S to 6 (or even to 5, considering it would be the 6th iPhone, or the 4th if you're only going by design revisions) but maybe they're planning to drop the numbering convention. Maybe there'll just be iPhone, in the same way that there's only iMac or Macbook, and it'll be up to the user to differentiate by year.
Either way though, it seems like Apple loses. Call it the 5 without revising the design, and consumers think it's a half-arsed update. Call it the 4S and throw out the naming scheme.
I just don't see this happening. Apple expanded to Verizon to make more money obviously. Why would they make sprint their exclusive iPhone 5 carrier. Sprint uses Verizon towers for almost half of their 3G either way. Sprint is also working on a new LTE network so WIMAX isn't a very logical thing to put into an iPhone right now.
I don't think it's logical to keep naming the phones after their generation. At some point it'll become pretty weird. iPhone 13? So it makes more sense that they keep naming them after the new abilities they gain. Like iPhone 4G instead of iPhone 6 etc.
I've been saying as much for the last 2 months after this whole iPhone 5/iPhone 4S crap started. It would make much more sense to just drop the stupid suffix and do like all their other product lines. iPhone. That's it. iPad. That's it.
fixed.
At least, if we go by posts here. I think iPhone 5 brings less of the half-arsed connotation though.
Hesse
Hesse: Bene, Don Corleone. I need a man who has powerful friends. I need the iPhone . I need, Don Corleone, all of those politicians that you carry around in your pocket, like so many nickels and dimes.
Don Corleone: What is the interest for my family?
Hesse: Thirty billion. In the first four years your end should be 20 million iPhones And then it would go up.
Don Corleone: And what is the interest for the AT&T family?
Hesse: [smiles at Tim] My compliments.
[Forstall gives a formal nod]
Hesse: I'll take care of the AT&T family, out of my share.
Don Corleone: So, I am to receive thirty percent for finance, for legal protection and political influence. Is that what you're telling me?
Hesse: That's right.
Don Corleone: Why come to me? What have I done to deserve such generosity?
Hesse: If you consider thirty billion dollars in cash merely finance...
[raises his glass]
Hesse: Te salut, Don Corleone.
[the Don gets up to take a drink and sits closer to Hesse]
Don Corleone: I said that I would see you because I had heard that you were a serious man, to be treated with respect. But I must say no to you and let me give you my reasons. It's true I have a lot of friends in politics, but they wouldn't be so friendly if they knew my business was screwing my carriers instead of gambling which they consider a harmless vice. But burning bridges, that's a dirty business.
Hesse: No, Don Corleone...
Don Corleone: It makes no difference, it don't make any difference to me what a man does for a living, you understand. But your business is a little dangerous.
Hesse: If you're worried about security for your 30 billion our board will guarantee it.
Tim: Whoa, now, you're telling me that the Sprint board guarantee our investment without...?
Don Corleone: Wait a minute.
[the Don gives his son a cold stare, freezing Tim into silence. The others fidget with embarrassment at this outbreak, but Hesse looks slyly satisfied... ]
Don Corleone: [dismissive] I have a sentimental weakness for my children and I spoil them, as you can see. They talk when they should listen. Anyway, Signor Hesse, my no to you is final. I want to congratulate you on your new business and I'm sure you'll do very well and good luck to you. Especially since your interests don't conflict with mine. Thank you.
[Hesse leaves]
Don Corleone: Tim, come here.
Don Corleone: What's the matter with you? I think your brain is going soft with all that comedy you are playing with Johnny Ive in the lab. Never tell anyone outside the Family what you are thinking again. Go on.
Hesse: Bene, Don Corleone. I need a man who has powerful friends. I need the iPhone . I need, Don Corleone, all of those politicians that you carry around in your pocket, like so many nickels and dimes.
Don Corleone: What is the interest for my family?
Hesse: Thirty billion. In the first four years your end should be 20 million iPhones And then it would go up.
Don Corleone: And what is the interest for the AT&T family?
Hesse: [smiles at Tim] My compliments.
[Forstall gives a formal nod]
Hesse: I'll take care of the AT&T family, out of my share.
Don Corleone: So, I am to receive thirty percent for finance, for legal protection and political influence. Is that what you're telling me?
Hesse: That's right.
Don Corleone: Why come to me? What have I done to deserve such generosity?
Hesse: If you consider thirty billion dollars in cash merely finance...
[raises his glass]
Hesse: Te salut, Don Corleone.
[the Don gets up to take a drink and sits closer to Hesse]
Don Corleone: I said that I would see you because I had heard that you were a serious man, to be treated with respect. But I must say no to you and let me give you my reasons. It's true I have a lot of friends in politics, but they wouldn't be so friendly if they knew my business was screwing my carriers instead of gambling which they consider a harmless vice. But burning bridges, that's a dirty business.
Hesse: No, Don Corleone...
Don Corleone: It makes no difference, it don't make any difference to me what a man does for a living, you understand. But your business is a little dangerous.
Hesse: If you're worried about security for your 30 billion our board will guarantee it.
Tim: Whoa, now, you're telling me that the Sprint board guarantee our investment without...?
Don Corleone: Wait a minute.
[the Don gives his son a cold stare, freezing Tim into silence. The others fidget with embarrassment at this outbreak, but Hesse looks slyly satisfied... ]
Don Corleone: [dismissive] I have a sentimental weakness for my children and I spoil them, as you can see. They talk when they should listen. Anyway, Signor Hesse, my no to you is final. I want to congratulate you on your new business and I'm sure you'll do very well and good luck to you. Especially since your interests don't conflict with mine. Thank you.
[Hesse leaves]
Don Corleone: Tim, come here.
Don Corleone: What's the matter with you? I think your brain is going soft with all that comedy you are playing with Johnny Ive in the lab. Never tell anyone outside the Family what you are thinking again. Go on.
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Actually Apple went with AT&T because they were the only US carrier willing to spend the money to update their network to handle the data load that this new breed of phones would put on the network.
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I agree. It just shows how desperate Sprint is. They screwed me 10 years ago, so I moved my acct and my wife's to TMobile. And, I've told everyone I've talked to about cellphones, how horrible their customer service is.
agree. Sprint is the worse carrier out there. AT&T gets a bad rap but TBH Sprint has the worst coverage. I finally dumped them in 07 when the iPhone came out.
Doesn't Sprint typically have awful phone service?? And wasn't Apple really interested in having a "reliable" phone? I mean the original Apple iPhones were trashed because they couldn't make phone calls whether it was the device's problem or the network, the handset is going to get the blame immediately. Remember Verizon was approached first for the iPhone until they couldn't make the deal work. Apple seems to want to make sure they have a working phone first. I'd be annoyed, but not so much. I'm not due for an upgrade until next year, the iPhone 5 would be out on ATT & Verizon by then.
I never had a problem when I was on Sprint. Every network has its issues - and there are many factors including phone and geography.
But I will say - and I have maintained since 2007, that the iPhone seemingly has a weaker radio than a lot of phones I (and my friends) have owned which has lead to dropped calls, etc - moreseo on the iPhone than on these other phones. Mileage may vary.
WiMax + CDMA makes it possible to do so!
And so does LTE + CDMA. So really, this little feature that AT&T advertises like crazy is only applicable to 3G + CDMA
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Quite the contrary. Sprint's network is America's best kept cell provider secret. People have this misconception that it sucks (and to be fair, in the late 90s early 2000s it was terrible) and they all moved away from it. I had Sprint from 2003 to 2009 (iPhone switch), and I never had a single dropped call with them over 4 different phones (Including a Windows Mobile). Switched to AT&T, ugh....
Agreed, that would be about 400.000 iPhones per month, Apple is currently selling more than 1 million phones per month in the US. This can't be enough to ensure exclusivity, its just enough to step into the iPhone program with there 4G network.
Sprint could have the iPhone 5 early because there '4G' network is ready and the others are not, that would make it exclusive for a few months.
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This is true. I'm at an industry conference right now, sitting behind a senior Sprint exec. He just said there will be an exciting announcement today from Apple, and "who will get it, and who won't."
This is true. I'm at an industry conference right now, sitting behind a senior Sprint exec. He just said there will be an exciting announcement today from Apple, and "who will get it, and who won't."