Carrier Sprint is pathetic

[2298754]

Again, you missed the point, you are looking at DATA. Sprint is in last almost every time with Data. No argument there.

Root Metrics shows Sprint 4th place with call quality, which I will argue is not the case. Verizon is by far the worst, which interestingly enough shows 1st place. I have had every carrier, ATT and Sprint have the best call quality with my experiences.

So we should just ignore what a third party says and believe you? I didn't realize you were a reputable third party testing company, like RootMetrics.

My bad. I'll learn to ignore statistics and facts from now on just because someone thinks they're wrong.

 

[eyoungren]

Yep, never paid attention to that running list, except when I first came across the site. The Posted date is not accurate is most cases. I have seen where Robert removes and re adds a post to update the information many times and assumed this was the case. So yes, Phoenix is at 22% LTE NV Accepted. Now, remember, I believe this is a samsung region, and they have been planning on launching in clusters once Circuit Switched Fallback (CSFB) on the network, and the backhaul is complete. In most markets, the RRU's and hardware is already there and installed, but waiting on the backhaul. You might check the Phoenix thread to keep up with Sprint users and tech's near you.

http://s4gru.com/index.php?/topic/6...cluding-flagstaff-prescott/page-30?hl=phoenix

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Okay, than you can add Samsung to that as well for lighting up markets in clusters as well. Sorry you are in a A-L region, heard they are pretty terrible.

See my earlier response. It's A-L territory. Yeah, I check the PHX market thread every once in a while. Been very quiet. The Tucson thread is more active.

And yes, the major problem here is backhaul. Lots of sites have been done. Just wish the backhaul vendors would get moving. It's not like we have bad weather here during the winter.

 

[Truefan31]

So we should just ignore what a third party says and believe you? I didn't realize you were a reputable third party testing company, like RootMetrics.

My bad. I'll learn to ignore statistics and facts from now on just because someone thinks they're wrong.

Yeah I gotta go with root metrics on this one. They're pretty reliable and I know sprint drops calls like crazy

 

[2298754]

Now, remember, I believe this is a samsung region, and they have been planning on launching in clusters once Circuit Switched Fallback (CSFB) on the network, and the backhaul is complete. In most markets, the RRU's and hardware is already there and installed, but waiting on the backhaul. You might check the Phoenix thread to keep up with Sprint users and tech's near you.

Wrong again. Eyougren is correct.

 

[eyoungren]

I am not sure if you are a sponsor there, but The maps do show a few towers near flagstaff accepted. Not much though. One is a 3G/4G and the other is just 3G. I can understand your frustration in that market. Yikes!

No, no, just an unregistered lurker. I don't really agree with the management style over there so rather than causing dissension and ticked off people and an instant ban I just lurk.

No illusions that the management doesn't already know about me though. There was some cross thread rock throwing from sprintusers to s4gru and back a while back.

Got called a clown over on the s4gru side.

 

[CrimsonKnight]

So we should just ignore what a third party says and believe you? I didn't realize you were a reputable third party testing company, like RootMetrics.

My bad. I'll learn to ignore statistics and facts from now on just because someone thinks they're wrong.

Absolutely not, but is it relevant to the fact when someone says.. Coverage sucks here with carrier XYZ, yet Root metrics and other statistics show that is not the case in the area? I wouldn't. Everyone has there own experience, and Root Metrics may not have been tested efficiently or at all in the specific areas.


The fact is, my region is awful with Data, much like the whole network, except for the markets who have seen significant upgrades. Voice quality wise, to a software measuring the quality will most likely see the variances, quicker than the user will.

As a user, voice quality is outstanding and so is coverage, Data? Not so much.. unless you are near the few towers that have been upgraded to LTE.

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Wrong again. Eyougren is correct.

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Right, again.. I said I believe .. Not IS

Come on McFly.. Think!



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No, no, just an unregistered lurker. I don't really agree with the management style over there so rather than causing dissension and ticked off people and an instant ban I just lurk.

No illusions that the management doesn't already know about me though. There was some cross thread rock throwing from sprintusers to s4gru and back a while back.

Got called a clown over on the s4gru side.

Yikes man, Well.. No harm registering for the sponsor maps, even if you do not make posts.

I have never had an issue there, in fact, that site has an amazing amount of information. I regularly pay attention to my market. This is why I wasn't sure if your Market was a Samsung market or not.

Many questions I asked were answered pretty quickly. I was really frustrated with the Sprint service since it start to take a nose dive back in 2009/2010. I came across that site this summer.

I mean, they have a section, for how to spot a Samsung/AL/ Ericcson RRU's and antennas!

 

[eyoungren]

Yikes man, Well.. No harm registering for the sponsor maps, even if you do not make posts.

I have never had an issue there, in fact, that site has an amazing amount of information. I regularly pay attention to my market. This is why I wasn't sure if your Market was a Samsung market or not.

True, but by now both Robert and AJ know who I am and what I think about their management style.

LTE is where I am at, just not omnipresent or at the strength I like. So, getting access to more specific information isn't worth the hassle I may have with the management.

I appreciate the suggestion though. But for now I'll just let sleeping dogs lie.

 

[CrimsonKnight]

Colorado Market

Looking at the running list again,

As Robert and many Mods have noted, the Maps and data can be out of date and usually are.

I can tell you, The colorado Market is more 8% accepted for LTE. Colorado Springs, Castle Rock, and parts of Northern Colorado have a lot of LTE online.

 

[CrimsonKnight]

True, but by now both Robert and AJ know who I am and what I think about their management style.

LTE is where I am at, just not omnipresent or at the strength I like. So, getting access to more specific information isn't worth the hassle I may have with the management.

I appreciate the suggestion though. But for now I'll just let sleeping dogs lie.

Totally understand! If you do register on there, let me know.

I am unsubscribing from this thread, and moving on. I think we have stated what our views are on Sprint. Good chattin eyougren!

 

[eyoungren]

Totally understand! If you do register on there, let me know.

I am unsubscribing from this thread, and moving on. I think we have stated what our views are on Sprint. Good chattin eyougren!

I'll let you know if I do. See you around the forums here…

 

[Apple Trees]

That's pretty hilarious that the guy is arguing against Rootmetrics. While they aren't the be-all end-all in the cities where they test, they usually paint a fairly accurate picture of the wireless carrier situation in those markets. Sure there are some isolated pockets where Sprint might be better than the other 3, but for the most part they're usually 4th (last) in most Rootmetrics tests, occasionally in 3rd, but NEVER in the top 2 in any market. That's just the way it is, even their CEO admits that the network is bad right now so why argue it? If it works in your 10 square mile area then by all means stick with them but for more broad, reliable coverage people are choosing the other carriers as evidenced by the massive subscriber losses Sprint is seeing quarter after quarter.

 

[2298754]

http://arstechnica.com/information-...verizon-and-sprint-in-super-bowl-data-speeds/

Sprint's Super Bowl data speeds were much less than everyone else's. However, they seem to have had a decent voice system.

Of course, the S4GRU folks will try to spin it

 

[tvotony]

Best speeds since upgraded towers

 

[Apple Trees]

Best speeds since upgraded towers


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Not bad for Sprint. What area is this in?

 

[Caesars]

I had an iPhone 5 on Sprint and it was the worst experience ever. Couldn't even sell the doggone thing so I gave it to my daughter. Suffice it to say I now have a 5s on Verizon

Same problem, I literally have it to a friend. If sprint gets more reliable coverage on NE Ohio I may give them another attempt down the road, but needing wifi to download apps was pretty lame.

 

[eyoungren]

NV Completion

Okaaaaay!

So, it's all in how you define completion!

Sprint customers define completion of Network Vision as "we can get LTE and it's fast almost anywhere we go in the US."

Sprint defines completion of Network Vision as when the last tower has all it's equipment replaced.

Sprint doesn't count the delivery of backhaul and sites being live and active as part of completion.

In other words…we made the upgrades and did the work. So what if you the customer can't connect or have super slow speeds. We're done!

Nice!

 

[eyoungren]

And another one leaves…

The first few in my opinion didn't count for anything because they were in Sprint's advertising department. Who cares because those guys have NOTHING to do with the way this screwed up rollout has gone.

The newest person to leave though is a Product Manager. That's a little closer to where we need to be.

If we can get Bob Azzi, Steve Elfman and Joe Euteneuer out we should be doing much better!

 

[DcGamer05]

No, no, just an unregistered lurker. I don't really agree with the management style over there so rather than causing dissension and ticked off people and an instant ban I just lurk.

No illusions that the management doesn't already know about me though. There was some cross thread rock throwing from sprintusers to s4gru and back a while back.

Got called a clown over on the s4gru side.

i think i read that back in my sprint days... craziness

 

[Technarchy]

Spark just went up in my city and it's fast. 20+mb downs, and 2-5mb up.

Close or equal to AT&T on the down, little low on the up, but good enough.

Looks like Sprint just got competitive. I adore competition and as we saw from T-mobile, the little guys can kick the big guys in the belly and change the industry in the process.

 

[wordoflife]

Spark just went up in my city and it's fast. 20+mb downs, and 2-5mb up.

Close or equal to AT&T on the down, little low on the up, but good enough.

Looks like Sprint just got competitive. I adore competition and as we saw from T-mobile, the little guys can kick the big guys in the belly and change the industry in the process.

I still see problems with Sprint. AT&T, T-Mobile, and Verizon already have speeds 20Mbps or faster in many areas without the triband nonsense that Sprint is just starting to push out in a few select areas.

But, still it's better than nothing I guess.

Sprint actually has the means to build a really good network. They just need to get as aggressive as T-Mobile.

 

[Technarchy]

I still see problems with Sprint. AT&T, T-Mobile, and Verizon already have speeds 20Mbps or faster in many areas without the triband nonsense that Sprint is just starting to push out in a few select areas.

But, still it's better than nothing I guess.

Sprint actually has the means to build a really good network. They just need to get as aggressive as T-Mobile.

I'm an AT&T customer and I am very happy and have no intention of changing to Sprint.

I just performed a speed test on my iPhone 5S and got 42mb down, and 6mb up. On Comcast Wifi it's 20mb down and 6 up, and I regard Comcast speed and service as very good.

Sprint doesn't necessarily need to be faster, just competitive and consistent. Even at 15mb, as long as the service is stable the overwhelming majority of customers will be happy because that speed is more than enough to make a smartphone perform all the cool tricks and goodies.

I understand the power of bragging rights, but from a service perspective, this recent service update in my area makes Sprint much more competitive compared to the horrors of WiMax and 3G.

 

[wordoflife]

I'm an AT&T customer and I am very happy and have no intention of changing to Sprint.

I just performed a speed test on my iPhone 5S and got 42mb down, and 6mb up. On Comcast Wifi it's 20mb down and 6 up, and I regard Comcast speed and service as very good.

Sprint doesn't necessarily need to be faster, just competitive and consistent. Even at 15mb, as long as the service is stable the overwhelming majority of customers will be happy because that speed is more than enough to make a smartphone perform all the cool tricks and goodies.

I understand the power of bragging rights, but from a service perspective, this recent service update in my area makes Sprint much more competitive compared to the horrors of WiMax and 3G.

What you say is very true. I completely agree.
I only have minor concerns with Sprint slowing down in the future. Verizon LTE used to be really fast back in the day, but now it has slowed down quite a bit. Granted, LTE was never meant for 50 mb speeds for everyone to have, so that's not really the problem. But Verizon, for example, had much higher speed when it first launched. I only hope that Sprint's 20 mb (and I haven't really seen anything faster than that) speeds don't slow down when more users get on Spark.

I'm curious.. how is the Spark building penetration and range? Seems like it would be terrible on a 2.5ghz frequency, but it can't be that bad.

 

[Technarchy]

I'm curious.. how is the Spark building penetration and range? Seems like it would be terrible on a 2.5ghz frequency, but it can't be that bad.

Just an FYI, Sprint Tri-band is 800MHz, 2.5GHz and 1900 MHz.

Spark markets have all three freqs up and running I believe, so coverage and indoor service should be solid, as well as being far from a tower. In those markets 3G service should get dramatically better as well.

Still, I prefer GSM, and HSPA+ and won't be considering Sprint or Verizon even if they had 100mb download speeds. I had Sprint for about 11 years so I know their service and company well, and I just prefer AT&T.

I changed over in 2012.

 

[wordoflife]

Just an FYI, Sprint Tri-band is 800MHz, 2.5GHz and 1900 MHz.

Spark markets have all three freqs up and running I believe, so coverage and indoor service should be solid, as well as being far from a tower. In those markets 3G service should get dramatically better as well.

That's true. I was just curious how far their 2.5 LTE reaches out.

 

[mstgkillr]

I've endured Sprint for 12-13 years now... Today I took advantage of AT&T's new family share plans and I couldn't be happier.