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AT&T is just filth. Their wireless service is overpriced and spotty, they have monopolies in many areas w/ their internet service, or lack thereof, and they have one of the biggest lobbies sucking off congress year after year. To say they are lying deliberately is like saying the sky is blue.
 
I know what I'm about to say goes against the grain of what others are saying... but I was with Sprint in the past and couldn't extricate myself from them fast enough. Or at all. In my lifelong experience (which is too long) I can say without question, that the customer "service" I got from Sprint was the worst of any company I've dealt with ever. Rock bottom worst. What a horrible experience. And "horrible" is too nice a word.
I went over to AT&T and have had nothing but a perfect seamless experience. Everything has been perfectly fine.
I'm sure there's plenty of others who would like to burn AT&T at the stake, but from my experience... I'm a fan of AT&T (I know... Blasphemy on this forum).
I think it's GREAT that Sprint is getting its panties all in a wad over this 5GE labeling. They're getting what they deserve.
I've been with AT&T for exactly a year now. The service is good for the most part but ever since trying them out with the very first iPhone, I still to this day can't get service at my house here in Denver. At least now, we have WiFi calling so that issue is much less important was it was in 2007.

I also have T-Mobile as my main carrier though but their service has degraded so bad here in Denver that at 5PM, I get 1.5Mbps whereas at 3AM, I get 160-170 so the congestion is real and thatis why I still have AT&T. There's no congestion on AT&T here at all.

I also have two 512GB XS Max being financed on AT&T because I was able to get them for zero down and got them delivered the same day with AT&Ts same day delivery. I would have had to pay almost $850 for one iPhone on T-Mobile after taxes and delivery fees for the same iPhone due to their down payment.

AT&T has a lot going for their service but the coverage is spotty still to this day. I haven't even considered Sprint since moving from them in 2007 to AT&T for that first iPhone. I can forgive AT&T for the 5G lie because I know it's not true just like I like Chick-Fill-A even though I don't like all that they stand for.
 
More shady AT&T;

Know the AT&T commercials they are running about "Best Service as verified by independent 3rd party"? - they call it the GWS One Score.

GWS is a vendor to AT&T. They get paid millions to drive AT&T's network each year. They are not independent or neutral.
 
HSPA+ is 4G according to 3GPP, so there's no way AT&T is at fault for that. 5GE, on the other hand, doesn't appear anywhere AFAIK.
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4G does not mean LTE

I respectively disagree. LTE == 4G. Check with the ITU. Or Wikipedia.
HSPA+ was never 4G nor did it attain true 4G speeds. It was more marketing ********, just like 5GE.
These terms have well-defined meanings that can easily be checked.
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The ad may be free speech, but it is also counterproductive

Ahh, no. There are advertising standards. Freeze Peach has naught to do with it. They are not free to deceive.
 
I will appreciate the information it provides on my LTE phone. I am often in marginal LTE areas where I'm better off dropping to 4G. Then I'm in other areas where the signal, even at 1 bar, is LTE fast.

Having the 5GE symbol might help to let me know what's going on where.

And BTW, the ATT commercials do say that it is a step on the way to 5G. NOT that it's 5G..

LTE is enough. No need to 5GE it.
 
Where did they say that?

Walk into any electronics store worth its salt and ask what the difference between QLED and OLED is, and they'll tell you. It's not something anyone is trying to hide. And no one is going to see the price difference between your average QLED and OLED TV and mistakenly think they're the same technology or same quality.

Come on. :) It's not even comparable to what AT&T is doing.

If you want a hypothetical comparison to what AT&T is doing, that would be if Samsung released a 4K TV and referred to it as OLED-Q.
I believe you're dramatically underestimating the stupidity of the average consumer.
 
I've been with AT&T for exactly a year now. The service is good for the most part but ever since trying them out with the very first iPhone, I still to this day can't get service at my house here in Denver. At least now, we have WiFi calling so that issue is much less important was it was in 2007.

I also have T-Mobile as my main carrier though but their service has degraded so bad here in Denver that at 5PM, I get 1.5Mbps whereas at 3AM, I get 160-170 so the congestion is real and thatis why I still have AT&T. There's no congestion on AT&T here at all.

I also have two 512GB XS Max being financed on AT&T because I was able to get them for zero down and got them delivered the same day with AT&Ts same day delivery. I would have had to pay almost $850 for one iPhone on T-Mobile after taxes and delivery fees for the same iPhone due to their down payment.

AT&T has a lot going for their service but the coverage is spotty still to this day. I haven't even considered Sprint since moving from them in 2007 to AT&T for that first iPhone. I can forgive AT&T for the 5G lie because I know it's not true just like I like Chick-Fill-A even though I don't like all that they stand for.
I've used Sprint for my mobile service for 20 years; it used to have coverage issues, but in the last 5 years it has much improved, and with the advent of data/phone service over WiFi for indoors environments most of my coverage issues are now moot. I have used AT&T UVerse for Gigabit internet and television service over their fiber optic network the last five years or so. I'm pleased with both companies for the genres I purchase from them. As for the 5G hoopla, even when it becomes available it appears it will be very expensive at the outset. We'll probably need to wait another 5 years for the infrastructure to mature before prices will come down enough to offer much value for most people.
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All of which suck and are languishing for lack of repair and reinvestment.

The internet on the other hand, not so much.

If it ain't broke don't fix it. (Sounds errilie like Trump's tweet today re Boeing software complexity) :D
The older common carrier services with transportation are indeed languishing, a predicament brought about beginning with the Reagan tax cuts for corporations and the wealthy. Over time that has led to lack of repair and investment - self fulfilling prophecy. As former spokesperson Grover Norquist poetically put things for the Republican agenda for the last 40 years, "I don't want to abolish government. I simply want to reduce it to the size where I can drag it into the bathroom and drown it in the bathtub." We are now witnessing the results of that witticism coming to the fore.
 
I respectively disagree. LTE == 4G. Check with the ITU. Or Wikipedia.
HSPA+ was never 4G nor did it attain true 4G speeds. It was more marketing ********, just like 5GE.
These terms have well-defined meanings that can easily be checked.
So, I Googled "HSPA+ ITU"...
https://www.tmonews.com/2010/12/hspa-now-officially-4g-according-to-itu/
https://www.phonearena.com/news/ITU-says-LTE-WiMax-and-HSPA--are-now-officially-4G_id15435
I can't find anything to support what you say. If anyone authoritative ever defined HSPA+ as "not 4G", that was revised in 2010. And there are other 4G standards besides LTE and HSPA+.

Also, it's pointless as a consumer to look at what "generation" your cell carrier is on. Even LTE is just a protocol. That's well below the layers of abstraction users should care about. Your real-life LTE speeds will be anywhere between 2 and 50 mbit/s, 200-1000ms ping, and you may or may not be able to use the Internet while you make a phone call :rolleyes:
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Pardon me. Isn't it true there was no "network neutrality" before and there is no "network neutrality" now either. No change. We still have the wild west internet.

After you win on "network neutrality", will internet traffic taxation follow soon thereafter to enforce it?

Reminder. Right now the internet is tax free and NOT subject to telecom rules from the 19th and 20th century.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telegraphy

Discuss.
There were Obama's net neutrality laws, but they weren't enforced perfectly. Cell carriers unquestionably violated that, like TMo with their "binge on" promotion. Scariest part is that average people praised it, with a large intersection between those people and those who are "pro net neutrality."
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AT&T is just filth. Their wireless service is overpriced and spotty, they have monopolies in many areas w/ their internet service, or lack thereof, and they have one of the biggest lobbies sucking off congress year after year. To say they are lying deliberately is like saying the sky is blue.
Everyone does it. I'm not saying it's ok.
 
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There were Obama's net neutrality laws, but they weren't enforced perfectly. Cell carriers unquestionably violated that, like TMo with their "binge on" promotion. Scariest part is that average people praised it, with a large intersection between those people and those who are "pro net neutrality."

Look at the time line of the net-neutrality law. It was getting to bear fruit - prices were descending up until October 2017. I compared my bills from 2016 to 2019 and see the difference in the offers available today - it really sucks now. Too any "license" or "programming" fees now.

The customer service is bluntly arrogant now. Not much flexibility - just a "take it or leave it" affront.
 
As an ISO organisation a company is supposed to follow the laws set out for that domain. The practice of the trade of business among many other similar merchants, I assume. Telecom providers must also have some set rules for their business that they are bound to follow, viz. not starting a deceitful marketing campaign that leads to false advertisement, in this case.

If such rules are in place, then why did AT&T start the campaign; is it just greed? Or are there actual benefits to their network right now despite what Sprint is saying? If everything goes through and the law works, what are the grounds of punishment here for AT&T? The fact that there have been no official response from them; does that mean s*** has hit the fan for them or is it just that they are arrogant enough to not care of what their competitors say?
 
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I sell cell phones for a living and I can't tell you how many customers come in looking for 5g iPhone. Only for us to tell them such a thing doesn't exist. Then they tell us all about the AT&T ads and insist 5g iPhone is a thing. We proceed to explain what 5ge really is.
 
Seems to me this story is proof the free market is able to police itself without nanny state interference. Let the people review the competition, educate themselves and make a choice. That’s what competition is—it’s not kneecapping companies because you don’t approve of their message.

Psssstttt...we’re not actually smarter and don’t know better than everyone else.

You are missing the entire point here. Competition is required to be fair, or you have inefficiencies in the marketplace. If you're going to go down the uber-capitalist road, you should be happy that regulation in truth exists. Misleading customers would give advantages to those firms that underperform. That's not competition; that's just ripping people off.

This site may very well know that what AT&T is doing is unethical-at-best, but most people don't. Even a conservative approach to regulation is that it keeps things "on the level", and that this is a case where we, the technically literate, understand but the general population doesn't. That's why AT&T did it. Specifically because they weren't hand-slapped by the FTC, other companies will now know they can get away with this stupidity.

Also, there is no other country on earth allowing this, not that it will matter to you, probably.
 
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Look at the time line of the net-neutrality law. It was getting to bear fruit - prices were descending up until October 2017. I compared my bills from 2016 to 2019 and see the difference in the offers available today - it really sucks now. Too any "license" or "programming" fees now.

The customer service is bluntly arrogant now. Not much flexibility - just a "take it or leave it" affront.
I don't see what net neutrality has to do with the pricing if you're still paying the same for everything.
 
I don't see what net neutrality has to do with the pricing if you're still paying the same for everything.

I am not - for the same service, everything has gone up. They tacked on fees with no fear of consequences (there was one) that did not exist before October 2017. The fee hike in programming add-ons were more than $25! No negotiations or discussions allowed!

I fired Comcast TV.

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PS: Have you not seen your own bill? (Promo locks aside.)
 
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I don't necessarily agree that Samsumg using QLED as done purely as a malicious attempt to fool and confuse consumers to sell more TV's. The "Q" stands for quantum-dot. It's an improved tech based on LED. It's not like they just put a random letter that looks like an "O" in front of LED just because.
Samsung rebranded their SUHD to Q in response to the OLED success. There are numerous instances of consumer confusion as a result. It is the same product, just a name change on the technology. They knew exactly what they were doing. Sony refers to the tech as Trilumnous
 
I am not - for the same service, everything has gone up. They tacked on fees with no fear of consequences (there was one) that did not exist before October 2017. The fee hike in programming add-ons were more than $25! No negotiations or discussions allowed!

I fired Comcast TV.

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PS: Have you not seen your own bill? (Promo locks aside.)
Sorry, I mean you're paying the same amount regardless of what kind of internet packets you're sending/receiving. Like which websites you visit, whether you use FaceTime audio or Skype, whether you stream Netflix in 4K or 1080p, etc. But maybe they charge more for faster speeds or more data usage, and again it's irrespective of what type of packets. That's what net neutrality is. TMo violated this by making Netflix traffic free while the others still count towards your data usage.

I'm not sure what you mean by programming addons, but no, I don't see my own bill since a housemate manages that. 6 months ago I was managing it, and it was a flat $40/mo from Comcast for internet service alone.
 
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