Sprint Takes Out Full Page NYT Ad Calling Out AT&T for Misleading 5GE Branding

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  1. MacRumors macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001

    Sprint on Sunday took out a full-page ad in The New York Times to call out AT&T for its "5GE" network labeling, which actually offers 4G speeds rather than 5G speeds.

    In the letter [PDF], Sprint calls AT&T's 5G Evolution "fake 5G" and clarifies that AT&T is not, in fact, offering faster speeds than other carriers who deliver the same 4G LTE advancements that AT&T has enabled such as three-way carrier aggregation, 256 QAM, and 4x4 MIMO.

    AT&T first started upgrading customer iPhones to read "5GE" in the iOS 12.2 beta, and the misleading branding will become much more widespread when iOS 12.2 sees a public release.

    Devices in areas with AT&T's "upgraded" LTE will display "5GE" instead of LTE, but it's not real 5G. There is no iPhone that exists right now that is capable of connecting to a 5G network, nor does AT&T offer a true 5G network at this time.

    AT&T has defended itself by claiming that 5G Evolution is the "first step on the road to 5G," but customers and other carriers are not impressed with its misleading branding that has the potential to confuse customers when actual 5G networks become available. AT&T has, however, claimed that customers "love" the 5GE branding because they "want and deserve to know" when "better speeds" are available.
    Sprint has done more than just take out an ad against AT&T. In early February, Sprint filed a lawsuit in federal court against AT&T in an attempt to prevent AT&T from using the 5GE labeling on AT&T smartphones. Sprint says AT&T is damaging the consumer reputation and understanding of true 5G and potentially hurting Sprint's 5G launch this summer in nine metro areas.

    True 5G smartphones won't be coming until later in 2019, and the 5G networks to support them also won't be available until later in the year. Rumors suggest Apple isn't planning to introduce 5G connectivity on its iPhones until 2020 at the earliest, so 5G is not a technology iPhone users will be able to take advantage of in 2019.

    Article Link: Sprint Takes Out Full Page NYT Ad Calling Out AT&T for Misleading 5GE Branding
  2. farewelwilliams macrumors 68020

    Jun 18, 2014
  3. coolfactor macrumors 601

    Jul 29, 2002
    Vancouver, BC CANADA

    Companies should be held responsible for misleading marketing.
  4. MadeTheSwitch macrumors 6502a


    Apr 20, 2009
    AT&T is a shady company. What they are doing is a gimmick.
  5. brunozs macrumors member

    Sep 7, 2005
  6. travis64 macrumors 6502a


    Nov 18, 2008
    I know people talk a lot of crap about sprint but i love them
  7. AngerDanger, Mar 11, 2019
    Last edited: Mar 11, 2019

    AngerDanger macrumors 601


    Dec 9, 2008
    I can do you one better, AT&T; I’ve used whiteout to write a little “6G” on my phone so I always have the fastest connection. :cool:

  8. Porco macrumors 68030


    Mar 28, 2005
    "Sir that will be $500"
    -Oh, sure, here's your money.
    "Sorry sir, you only appear to have given me $450"
    -Yeah, but it's like $500. It's the first step on the road to $500... I call it $500E! It's an evolution of $400.
    "Sir, I'm afraid I'm going to have to call the police now... "
  9. BWhaler, Mar 11, 2019
    Last edited: Mar 18, 2019

    BWhaler macrumors 68030


    Jan 8, 2003
    Good. And Apple should put a stop to this.. it’ll hurt sales in 2-3 years when 5g is really here.

    Plus, the one great thing about Tim Cook’s Apple is its ethics. We suffer garbage keyboards and lacking software for the ethics. Apple should stop this deceptive practice.
  10. CordovaBay macrumors newbie

    Dec 27, 2008
    Actually, twice the speed of LTE is 4G!

    LTE wasn't 4G, it was leading to that.
  11. itsmilo macrumors 68020


    Sep 15, 2016
    Just call it LTE+ or whatever. They clearly knew what they were doing. Shady and misleading all the tech handicapped people in the country
  12. ghostface147 macrumors 68030


    May 28, 2008
    Sprint is just trying to get their name out there while their merger is being looked at. I agree with what they’re selling, but this’ll be forgotten just like when 4G was put on phones when it was really 3G+.
  13. fairuz macrumors 68020


    Aug 27, 2017
    Silicon Valley
    Sprint: The carrier where you still can't do a phone call while using cell data, like it's 2007 again.

    I am not defending AT&T's 5G branding, btw. Actually all telco have lost my respect since they keep selling users' live, ~100 yards accurate location data to shady parties. But AT&T's network is pretty good compared to the others.
  14. Crowbot macrumors regular


    May 29, 2018
    I live in NYC. There are probably 5000 people within 100 yards of me. ;)
  15. Sasparilla macrumors 65816

    Jul 6, 2012
    That was great Porco - you gave me a good laugh.
  16. rysmtihaz macrumors regular

    Jul 12, 2008
    Apple should absolutely NOT be playing along with this. It cheapens the brand.

    I'm in Phoenix and it's popped up here. I've run 10 speed tests and never pass 30 Mbps. At home in the suburbs on regular ol LTE I'm never slower than 100 Mbps.
  17. techwhiz macrumors 6502a

    Feb 22, 2010
    Northern Ca.
  18. happyslayer macrumors 6502a


    Feb 3, 2008
    Glendale, AZ
    Been an AT&T customer for a long time and they have generally been great for me. Their customer service, especially compared with Sprint (from 15 years ago) was the reason I switched. However, this kind of misleading crap just makes them look “shady” and dumb. Good for Sprint for calling them out. I am so tired of this world where facts have seemingly ceased to matter. If we say it’s 5G, it is, and the general, non-techy population won’t know the difference. Total BS!
  19. 1woodwrking macrumors newbie

    Jan 8, 2019
    AT&T is like so many other companies that lead only by their ability to hire a good law team.. As America becomes more and more PC - its companies become just as fake as its heavily biased news sources that create a gullibility that sells product that no longer is what its touted as being. A good example is their customer service. They have been The ultimate leader in completely destroying the very meaning of service! The last straw for me was when I found out they were charging me for almost a year for things we had never ordered.
    --- Post Merged, Mar 11, 2019 ---
    really hard to tell which side you are on.. apparently for you its ALL good? and a source of the problem perhaps?
  20. B4U macrumors 68020


    Oct 11, 2012
    Undisclosed location
    It is just another day where the combined AT&T doing its business. Nothing new here, really.
    Can't wait til the government break it up again.
  21. Kaibelf macrumors 68020


    Apr 29, 2009
    Silicon Valley, CA
    I read a story a while back where a guy set up a Raspberry Pi to periodically measure his connection speed, and if it strayed way out of promised speeds, it would auto-post the measurement to the corporate Twitter as a public call-out without giving them the chance to know who they are talking to. Maybe people should do this with AT&T.
  22. BasicGreatGuy Contributor


    Sep 21, 2012
    In the middle of several books.
    The letter would have been more effective if it weren't for the fact, that it is a self-promoted ad by Sprint. Sprint isn't looking out for people.
  23. freddiebarnes macrumors member


    Oct 12, 2018
    I agree with Sprint for calling out ATT’s deliberate lying. Like someone else pointed out, ATT could say it’s LTE+. They know what they’re doing with this 5GE crap. It makes me not want to do business with ATT in the future. I was a happy Sprint customer for over 15 years and just recently switched to Xfinity Mobile to save money, but I loved Sprint.
  24. emulajavi macrumors regular

    Dec 15, 2011
    They should call it 4G+ or 4GE which will make it ‘more’ than 4G.

    5GE seems even more than 5G
  25. drumcat macrumors 6502a


    Feb 28, 2008
    Otautahi, Aotearoa
    This is where we are -- a lack of regulatory strength that doesn't hold business accountable. This is ONLY good for companies, and not consumers.

    FTC, you have failed terribly.

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