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Not true if they include a radio in the new phone for data/voice. All Verizon LTE phones do it (Thunderbolt can even do it on 3G).

It's funny how everyone thinks this! I tell people this a lot and "Thunderbolt" Is the main example.

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SPRINT has had Unlimited Data for some years now. Sprint ins't going to do what Verizon and ATT&T did cause it will run people off. I have kept my BB TOUR and been off contract for this reason right here for about 2yrs now. Didn't want a new phone till IPHONE!! Didn't want to go to AT&T cause they are wack and I had Verizon b4 it's cool! I do have a Verizon 4G Wi-Fi Card and it is so damn fast! I'll stay wit Sprint on this one! And I have a good idea that ATT&T and Verizon do something to counter this! They know they are going to lose if they don't!
 
Sprint will do this now because their device mix (mostly dumbphones) allows them to.

Once iPhones put a strain on the network, they'll cap away.

Doubt it.

They have an active marketing campaign about their unlimited data. Data caps are a scam...how many users are really going above 2-5 gigs?

I'm an active user of my phone, I tether it and I average on a high month 1.5 gigs.
 
The first company to offer an iPhone without a data plan and reasonable texting gets my business. (sorry AT&T, you suck for more than one reason now)

I'm the opposite. I want an iPhone, or and iPod Touch with data capibility, that I can get without having to get a VOICE plan. Hopefully with more carriers we will all get more choices of plans, not just a choice of carriers that all have basically the same plans.
 
It's funny how everyone thinks this! I tell people this a lot and "Thunderbolt" Is the main example.

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SPRINT has had Unlimited Data for some years now. Sprint ins't going to do what Verizon and ATT&T did cause it will run people off. I have kept my BB TOUR and been off contract for this reason right here for about 2yrs now. Didn't want a new phone till IPHONE!! Didn't want to go to AT&T cause they are wack and I had Verizon b4 it's cool! I do have a Verizon 4G Wi-Fi Card and it is so damn fast! I'll stay wit Sprint on this one! And I have a good idea that ATT&T and Verizon do something to counter this! They know they are going to lose if they don't!

Verizon and ATT had unlimited for years too. It's not like they had it for a month and then went to tiers...Sprint will follow. Especially if they get the iPhone. Dan Hesse is not some philanthropist. He wants his company making money, and he'll move to tiers eventually.
 
Why do you act as if sprint gets tiered plans, it will be because of the iphone? Studies have shown that android users use more data than iphone users.

Verizon and ATT had unlimited for years too. It's not like they had it for a month and then went to tiers...Sprint will follow. Especially if they get the iPhone. Dan Hesse is not some philanthropist. He wants his company making money, and he'll move to tiers eventually.
 
Sprint DOES Voice & Data

No, you can't do voice and data at the same time on any CDMA network (Verizon & Sprint). You can only do voice and data at the same time on GSM networks (AT&T & T-Mobile).

You're wrong: I've been using Sprint on my HTC EVO and it works GREAT doing both data AND voice at the same time. I would consider getting the iPhone 5.
 
Nah. I want a free personal hotspot.

I bought an iPhone the first day they came out, and AT&T -who has very good coverage around where I live and work- has allowed me to keep my unlimited data (of which I use very little, probably less than 100mb/mo.) each upgrade since. For a limited user like myself (I live in Northern CA, where I'm usually on wireless) there would be only one thing that Sprint could do that would make me switch-

Give me a *free* personal hotspot for the phone, so I could connect my iPad or laptop for the limited times that I can't find wireless. You can put a limit on that, 100 MB is fine- but that way, when I absolutely need it, I've got it.

Of course, if AT&T (who has been giving me all sorts of goodies lately- free mobile to mobile minutes, free rollover minutes, etc.) was to do the same - I would happily stay with them, too. Or if Verizon was to do it. . .

I just don't want to pay anyone another fee.
 
My friend lives in La Mesa and is in the Downtown area a lot and loves Sprint. I used to have Sprint and live in North County (I switched for the iPhone) and loved Sprint. I hate my coverage and prices with AT&T and will switch back to Sprint.

Thanks for all of the responses regarding service in San Diego. It's pretty much a given I'm leaving AT&T because of their service sucks here. Now just have to decide if I'll go to proven improved service with Verizon or hopefully better service with Sprint.
 
So it's supposedly going to be released next month yet we don't know anything about the iPhone 5 yet...?
 
Why do you act as if sprint gets tiered plans, it will be because of the iphone? Studies have shown that android users use more data than iphone users.

Because the iPhone is going to bring more people to sprint than android does.
 
To say that people choose carrier over phone is pretty ridiculous. You are trying to take the data from the example above about Verizon's sales, and trying to prove your hypothesis. At best, I'd say correlation does not prove causation. But I don't even agree with your assumption of correlation in that example. I don't have time to explain to you your error in logic, but how about this example. I left one hell of a Sprint plan (SERO) for my Verizon iPhone to pay over 100% more per month. I left an Android HTC EVO to do that not a RAZR. Therefore your statement is at least partially wrong because you didn't include me. I'm fairly certain that I'm not the only one.

Additionally, a phone purchase takes into account a variety of factors, phone, carrier, price, plan, family/friends, location, (and more) some people consider many of these factors and some less. Not only would it be very difficult to generalize as you did the order, but even more so to assume the decision is linear. I could even say that someone who did choose based on carrier more than any other factor could STILL end up with the iPhone if the other factors totaled more than 50%. Say like Carrier 45%, friends/family carrier 20%, Phone 35%.

Apology accepted. ;-)

To say that people will hop from carrier to carrier every 2 years pursuing a phone is a little bit more ridiculous. Of course there are various factors that go into purchasing a phone, and of course some people may in fact switch carriers. When I say "people choose carriers over phones" I didn't intend for that to be interpreted as "I have done scientific research and 100% of people choose carrier over phone!" Why you'd even think that that was my suggestion is beyond me. You choose phone over carrier and i'm sure thousands if not millions do too. My point is, most people don't run around switching carriers everytime they want a new phone unless their carrier is treating them like crap or they feel they're overpaying. If they did, Verizon wouldn't have 100M customers.

People settle into a carrier for a variety of reasons and it's unlikely that they'll be switching every 2 years chasing after some other phone. Your suggestion that that happens or that that happens more often then not is frankly silly. When I'm in the market for a new phone, I don't go to sprint or ATT's website looking to see what they're offering, I check out what my carrier is offering.

The proof is in the numbers. People did not exit ATT en masse for Verizon because it offers an Iphone when Verizon is clearly the better network. People won't exit Verizon and ATT en masse for Sprint simply because they'll get unlimited data. By your flawed and silly logic, Verizon and ATT are going to take a huge hit if Sprint gets the iPhone since Sprint has a better data plan...:rolleyes:....not how it works, buddy.
 
would you switch when your contract is up?

i would consider it only because i also have a discount to it and they have a better selection of android phones if i decide to get one again. i'll probably dump my inspire 4g for an iphone 5 next month.

but that's a maybe since i'm in the most profitable customer group and get fast upgrades
 
I bought an iPhone the first day they came out, and AT&T -who has very good coverage around where I live and work- has allowed me to keep my unlimited data (of which I use very little, probably less than 100mb/mo.) each upgrade since. For a limited user like myself (I live in Northern CA, where I'm usually on wireless) there would be only one thing that Sprint could do that would make me switch-

Give me a *free* personal hotspot for the phone, so I could connect my iPad or laptop for the limited times that I can't find wireless. You can put a limit on that, 100 MB is fine- but that way, when I absolutely need it, I've got it.

Of course, if AT&T (who has been giving me all sorts of goodies lately- free mobile to mobile minutes, free rollover minutes, etc.) was to do the same - I would happily stay with them, too. Or if Verizon was to do it. . .

I just don't want to pay anyone another fee.
You are so right. Heaven forbid though either AT&T or Verizon would do that, they want you to pay for the internet three times:
a. Once for your home (FIOS or AT&T) $45.00
b. Once for your phone $30
c. Once for your mobile hotspot for your iPad or laptop $45.00

Granted that you probably don't use all three at the same time, they still sell you the same thing three times..
 
So did AT&T. So did Verizon. Will it last?

The Big Red never did with the iPhone. They cancelled that before the iPhone came out. And Sprint will keep it until it starts to erode on call quality and overloading their network. At some point, Sprint will have to do something. However I don't believe iPhone users uses more data then Android or Windows phone users.
 
Some good back and forth but want to throw in my two cents here...

I think most opinions - not facts - right now is the trend the market share is that the gap is narrowing between Android and iOS. And to eliminate some confusion, I am talking only about phones, not including tablets or iPod touches.

Based on what I have read, in the past year or so Android was believed to grow because of the number of devices it was on. Android isn't just one phone and many of those devices were sold for much less than the iPhone 3/3Gs/4. Apple started to cut in to some of that once they dropped the 3Gs to $50 but was still hard to compete with BOGO offers. The real test was when they launched on Verizon. So far, the iPhone is the best selling device on Verizon and it is believed it may be impacting the sales of Android devices.

The key here is trend. Android based on most recent numbers might still be outselling but the big question is will that trend change? Only being 2 quarters in to availability on Verizon is far to early to say what the true trend is and hence why a move to Sprint is a big deal as well.

As you point out, there are many reasons why a person chooses their certain cell phone and carrier. So for those who hate ATT or just don't have good ATT service, Verizon and Sprint offering an iPhone could drastically change the margin of total Android phone sales compared to iPhone sales.

Plus, you must also remember the iPhone 4 is over a year old now and many thought the iPhone5 would launch in June. This has caused a delay as well as many Verizon customers who though they can now buy an iPhone on Verizon, may not be eligible for an upgrade yet - again why we need more time to tell what is the real demand. Add in to this the unknown if Apple will release the iPhone4 at $99 after the 5 comes out and if they will also release a pre-paid 3Gs makes the entire "gap" issue very cloudy. Of course if none of this comes to pass, then the trend could change course over the past few months and go back to Android phones selling more than iPhones. Which is why I prefer to wait and really see what happens come June of next year.


Your post makes no sense. Half a year is plenty of time to see where the "trend" is going, and even with the iPhone 4 on the two biggest carriers(AT&T/Verizon together dwarf the competition combined), Android growth still has far outpaced iOs on smartphones. Every report released has shown that, not just peoples opinions. We hear this same stuff every year. Just wait until the iPhoneXX, just wait until carrier X gets the iPhone, just wait until theirs a low cost/prepaid iPhone. The most recent NPD report has shown a equal number of people plan on getting an Android phone as plan on getting an iPhone. Sprint getting the iPhone will not change the trend. Not if the Verizon/AT&T behemoth could not. Global markets have shown the even with all other things being equal, more buyers choose Android over iPhone. The Galaxy S II is dominating the iPhone in many countries, and even with the iPhone prepping for a new release, the next Galaxy S will be right on its heals. Toss the massive sales HTC is seeing on its Android phones and the sales from other manufacturers, and its extremely difficult to see a turnaround. But hey, I'm sure will be discussing something else this time next year that's going to reverse the trend.
 
Are you sure Android sales on Verizon has not gone down?

The overall share dropped 3% following Verizon iphone launch, but their share grown ever other quarter and continues to do so, faster than iOS.

http://www.npd.com/press/releases/press_110428.html

Android isn't a phone its an OS.

That's how you have to read it. It is iOS versus android. Not iphone 4 versus droid x2 or iphone 4 versus htc thunderbolt, etc.

As has iOS's...that being said, what does marketshare have to do with the original statement i made which was sprint will have a hard time keeping unlimited data when/if it gets iPhone?
Because of a large number of existing data hungry android users on sprint, the overall increase of heavy data users isn't likely to be as significant as you think it is.

an you deny that the iPhone(s) on at&t are their best selling device? Can you deny that the iPhone on verizon is its best selling device? Do you have any logical reason why an iPhone5 on sprint wouldn't be their best selling device?

Don't need to. All that matters is the overall growth of high data users.

Marketshare has nothing to do with a per carrier statistic. Android has high marketshare because its available on more carriers. On the carriers (at least in the US) that have both, iPhone outsells all individual android phones (and many, if not all, combined).

Market share is comprised of those carrier numbers, so they have everything to do with it. On Verizon, where android had a lead on iOS, it retains that lead. Android has a similar lead on iOS on any carrier apple decides to release the iphone. Thus, it is not readily apparent that all that keeps apple from having an overall US market share lead is just not being on all carriers.
 
Because of a large number of existing data hungry android users on sprint, the overall increase of heavy data users isn't likely to be as significant as you think it is.

I don't think Sprints network is going to grind to a halt. So "significant" is probably a subjective assessment in this case. What I do think is Sprint will go to tiers. There's no logical reason to think they won't, especially if they get the iPhone. It sold 2M+ in its first full quarter of availability on Verizon...it always sells 2M+ every quarter on AT&T...why wouldn't it sell 2M+ on Sprint, especially if they're offering unlimited data to start. We can talk when it happens haha...zero chance that Sprint will remain unlimited forever. Don't believe everything Hesse says about caring for his customers and all that feel good stuff.

Don't need to. All that matters is the overall growth of high data users.

Yes, precisely. And the overall growth of high data users will grow if/when Sprint gets an iPhone. And by "grow" I don't mean they'll get 20 more users, they'll get millions of users, much more then their "4G" android phones, combined. It's happened on Verizon and ATT, what logical reason do have that it won't happen on Sprint? iPhone outsold all the 4G phones on Verizon, combined 2:1. No reason that won't happen on Sprint.

Market share is comprised of those carrier numbers, so they have everything to do with it. On Verizon, where android had a lead on iOS, it retains that lead. Android has a similar lead on iOS on any carrier apple decides to release the iphone. Thus, it is not readily apparent that all that keeps apple from having an overall US market share lead is just not being on all carriers.

Marketshare is irrelevant to the original point. In this off-topic subthread that we're now discussing, yes its relevant.

For the 15th time haha, Apple is not going to take over marketshare in the US or the world again. No one is arguing that. What happens globally or in the US is irrelevant to the original argument. The iPhone is not going to go to Sprint, and then a month later we find out that Apple now has 60% share while Android is plummeting. I made two points in this thread, and we've gone so far off topic now that it doesn't make sense. My two points were first that iPhone will be the best selling phone on Sprint, consequently, iOS share in the US will go up (that does not mean Apple will have 70% share next quarter). The second point was that Sprint won't be able to sustain unlimited if it gets the iPhone, because it will have 1 million people using their 4G Android phones, and 2 million using their iPhone (made up numbers) and eventually they'll realize there's far more money to be made with tiers.

My first point is a given. iPhone is going to be their best selling phone. This is not a shock, not a surprise, not an opinion. it's a given. It's going to happen. If Sprint gets the iPhone the iPhone will be their best selling phone.

My second point remains to be seen (whether they move to tiers, not whether iPhone will outsell the 4G phones, that's a given). However, again, there's no logical reason why it wouldn't happen. The illogical reason of course is that Dan Hesse is a philanthropist who would rather take care of his customers then improve the company's bottom line.

The whole unlimited thing is a marketing strategy right now (obviously). Why would you go to Sprint for an iPhone if Verizon, the clear cut better network, also has one? Unlimited data of course (unlimited data that you won't use, but that sounds good to the ear). IT won't last
 
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isn't the iPod Touch already the poor man's iPhone?

I'm the opposite. I want an iPhone, or and iPod Touch with data capibility, that I can get without having to get a VOICE plan. Hopefully with more carriers we will all get more choices of plans, not just a choice of carriers that all have basically the same plans.

Last time I checked the iPod Touch does almost everything the iPhone does except make phone calls, so what's the problem with using it's WiFi capabilities as it already is?

I understand the inconvenience of not having a WiFi+3G-only data plan with the device, but do you really think Apple at this juncture will undermine their business model with an iPod that undercuts the sales of their iPhones?! All I'm saying here is that is pretty much wishful thinking... ;) ...but yeah, it sure would be nice if that was actually an option.
 

I think you are overestimating how many customers Sprint has and how many iphones they will sell. They have less than half the customers AT&T or Verizon do. They don't have as good of nationwide coverage as the top 2, even though a large number of users are in metropolitan areas.

On top of that, it won't have a $99 iPhone like at&t or Verizon. Sale numbers show the 3GS sells well and therefore matters.

It may take them twice as long to sell as many as Verizon did in the same amount of time, of not more. On top of that, you have to ask how many of those buyers are previously data heavy Android users. Don't forget that many Verizon and At&t users already have unlimited data grandfathered and won't have incentive to switch based on that. When you take all those factors in, I think the crush will be manageable and there will be value in Sprint retaining unlimited data rather than just saying "Look, we have the iPhone too!"
 
On top of that, it won't have a $99 iPhone like at&t or Verizon. Sale numbers show the 3GS sells well and therefore matters.

I am not so sure about this. The reworked cheaper iPhone 4S deal sounds like it would be designed to work on all the networks. I recall reading something to that effect but I'll be damned if I can find it now.

EDIT: Also, thank you for not quoting his entire post. You won't believe how many people I've seen quoting huge posts to add a single line at the bottom. One time the person even quoted two HUGE posts and added a single line at the bottom!
 
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