Square Enix Reverses Course on 'Deus Ex' Anti-Jailbreak Code

[asthamapheo]

Don't thank them for now just finally providing the product you've paid for. They should be thanking you for your patients after wasting your time with their false advertising.

wow, strong words and logical point, nice.

 

[Les Kern]

Yes, tremble in fear of the jailbreakers. You know, the one's who probably get your game for free. Sissies.

 

[AFDoc]

True, but unfortunately the majority of the jailbroken devices that I see are used solely for the purpose of pirating apps.
Most of these people have little or no knowledge of the vast jailbreak community that does not tolerate piracy, since you know they don't give a hoot about anything other than free apps.

Maybe that says more about the people you hang out with... i.e. the choices YOU make and not so much about jailbreakers?

 

[Prodo123]

Maybe that says more about the people you hang out with... i.e. the choices YOU make and not so much about jailbreakers?

I'm pretty sure the high school/college crowd is a good representation of the jailbreak scene.

 

[AFDoc]

I'm pretty sure the high school/college crowd is a good representation of the jailbreak scene.

LoL so you interviewed every college and high school person?! Wow that must of taken a lot of work.

I don't see what you're trying to argue here.

They are arguing that people legally purchased a game but could not access the game properly simply because they are jailbroken. This was NOT in the description of the game, so therefor SE committed FRAUD on every consumer that purchased the game... Jailbroken or not. Why is that such a hard thing to understand? And no SE would NOT have won a CAL as evidenced by their reverse of course. THEY knew they were about to get F-ed up in a court of law so THEY tucked their tails between their legs and changed the game.

 

[Prodo123]

LoL so you interviewed every college and high school person?! Wow that must of taken a lot of work.

Not "every college and high school person", no that would be stupid. But I am the go-to guy for anything tech related in my area, so yes I think it's a darn good representation, the closest thing to actually asking "every college and high school person" about their jailbroken devices.

They are arguing that people legally purchased a game but could not access the game properly simply because they are jailbroken. This was NOT in the description of the game, so therefor SE committed FRAUD on every consumer that purchased the game... Jailbroken or not. Why is that such a hard thing to understand?

Allow me to restate what I said what I posted before:

By publishing the game on the App Store it is understood that the devices that run the app will be in compliance to Apple's terms and conditions and in the case that it is not (i.e. jailbroken devices), both the publisher Square Enix, which must also agree to Apple's policies, and Apple itself have the right to deny those devices service.

Again, when a user accesses and buys content from the App Store, it is UNDERSTOOD that the device is in agreement with the terms and conditions set forth by Apple, which clearly bans jailbreaking of devices. There is no fraud in Square Enix's actions at all.
Simply put, people have been spoiled by the App Store's ease of access and use and complain when, after breaking the T&C, things stop working for them.

Read the terms and conditions, then try taking a neutral stance. Then you will see why it's not even hard to understand, it's simply nonsensical to label Square Enix's actions as fraud.

 

[BerlingerT]

I'm pretty sure the high school/college crowd is a good representation of the jailbreak scene.

That is probably a fair representation. I remember many high school and college-aged people I used to talk to on places like GameFAQs were into all of that kind of stuff. I mean, I can't even remember how many topics I saw of people saying they only bought PSPs so they could use Custom Firmware and download games for free.

I will admit to having used the stuff, myself. It was neat at first, but I kinda just lost the appeal of it. I didn't really appreciate the games as much if they were just downloaded right then and there and free and stuff. Dare I say it, I prefer paying for my games.

Anyways, I think that crowd is probably where much of the CFW/Jailbreak/etc is. At least from what I have seen.

 

[HenryDJP]

THEY knew they were about to get F-ed up in a court of law so THEY tucked their tails between their legs and changed the game.

You're making that scenario up yourself, you have no idea what "THEY KNEW or why THEY did it". Just as any other company that gets media attention for making major changes that end with a group of frustrated customers, they MAY have wanted to stop the attention from going viral. I hardly think many people would take a software developer to court over a $7 game. The worse thing could happen anyway is the developer having to refund a game. It's not like the jailbreakers can sue for emotional distress or punitive damages.
As another poster said earlier, before a customer sues a developer they better check the TOC first.

 

[AFDoc]

You're making that scenario up yourself, you have no idea what "THEY KNEW or why THEY did it". Just as any other company that gets media attention for making major changes that end with a group of frustrated customers, they MAY have wanted to stop the attention from going viral. I hardly think many people would take a software developer to court over a $7 game. The worse thing could happen anyway is the developer having to refund a game. It's not like the jailbreakers can sue for emotional distress or punitive damages.
As another poster said earlier, before a customer sues a developer they better check the TOC first.

Yeah you put out a product and don't allow people that legally bought that product to use it properly that is fraud. They would most certainly lose in court so they reversed their course. You can try and gloss it all you want, that's what happened. PLUS if you think someone wouldn't take them to court over a $7 game you are a very, very naïve person.

Not "every college and high school person", no that would be stupid. But I am the go-to guy for anything tech related in my area, so yes I think it's a darn good representation, the closest thing to actually asking "every college and high school person" about their jailbroken devices.

I would say no... college and hs kids do NOT make up a good sample. How many iPhone owners are actually in hs/college? You figure that out then you'll have your answer.

 

[Prodo123]

I would say no... college and hs kids do NOT make up a good sample. How many iPhone owners are actually in hs/college? You figure that out then you'll have your answer.

Then you're simply assuming ALL iPhone owners are jailbreakers, thus your logic is flawed.

 

[HenryDJP]

Yeah you put out a product and don't allow people that legally bought that product to use it properly that is fraud. They would most certainly lose in court so they reversed their course. You can try and gloss it all you want, that's what happened. PLUS if you think someone wouldn't take them to court over a $7 game you are a very, very naïve person.

You don't know what happened. That's "your" truth your made up facts. Did you take a look at the TOC for that game or Apple's TOC in regards to purchases from the App Store? Yeah. Seems to be an epidemic around here with word twisting. I said I didn't think "many" people would take them to court. I'm sure someone would. The very person I'm replying to looks to be the first in line at the courthouse.

 

[Rajani Isa]

Yeah you put out a product and don't allow people that legally bought that product to use it properly that is fraud.

Except, not only could the game still be played (admittedly, in a limited fashion), no where did the game promise to run on modified software.

That would be like getting upset you bought a part that advertises being compatible with the radio in your make/year of car, then being upset it doesn't work with the radio you had installed aftermarket.

Now, i won't aruge that it would of been nice for that fact to be listed in the software description, but this IS a member of the Sony family of companies, which has such questionable DRM choices in the past. So I can totally see this being another dumb/not thought out decision, but they are moving (apparently) quickly to make it right, and making it right in the best way.

 

[Renzatic]

Except, not only could the game still be played (admittedly, in a limited fashion), no where did the game promise to run on modified software.

Jailbreaking isn't really modified software. Right out of the box, the only difference between jailbroken iOS and regular iOS is that you're the administrator.

The process of jailbreaking is a privilege escalation exploit. Nothing more.

Now, i won't aruge that it would of been nice for that fact to be listed in the software description, but this IS a member of the Sony family of companies, which has such questionable DRM choices in the past. So I can totally see this being another dumb/not thought out decision, but they are moving (apparently) quickly to make it right, and making it right in the best way.

Actually, other than being one of the premiere software developers for the Playstation line, Square Enix has nothing to do with Sony.

 

[Konrad9]

The idea was to try to stop people from being able to side-load the app when a person hasn't paid for it... you know, theft.

This harms legitimate customers more than it harms pirates.

SecureROM prevented me from playing a game I bought a *new* physical copy of at a major retailer because I had a virtual drive mounted on my machine.

When your anti-theft prevents your actual customers from playing your game, you done ****ed up something fierce.

And besides, the pirates will just find a way around it.

 

[mm201]

2. Yes, it's exactly the same as a desktop operating system and that's why it's so hard to control desktop operating system piracy.
We're not talking desktop though and your point is irrelevant.

That was directed towards claims that jailbreaking was "dangerous"--that users will get malware without Apple holding their hand--which isn't the case, any more than it is on desktop platforms. Stick to App Store and trustworthy repositories and you'll be fine.

There is nothing anti-customer about developing an app and being able to pay your coders. This is the most hair-brained comment I've heard -- or perhaps you can educate me why it's anti-consumer? You still have a choice -- just don't buy their app! But don't cry and say they're "anti-customer".

Do you expect to walk in a barber shop and get a haircut for free? After all, they're taking away your hair, not growing it?

And as the guy said -- they let their customers know if it'll run or not. I think they've done their due diligence.

If you walk into a barber shop and they take your money and won't cut your hair because of the colour of your skin, something is very wrong.

 

[Prodo123]

That was directed towards claims that jailbreaking was "dangerous"--that users will get malware without Apple holding their hand--which isn't the case, any more than it is on desktop platforms. Stick to App Store and trustworthy repositories and you'll be fine.

You do realize that viruses can enter the system through Cydia and websites once the device is jailbroken, not to mention vulnerable to SSH attacks once the device is connected to a public network?
SSH passwords are stupidly simple, one could brute force into your phone.
You can't control what other people do.

 

[mm201]

You can't control what other people do.

Of course not, and look at all the desktops loaded with malware. Jailbreaking is of course a risk but not a death wish.

Don't install openssh. I can't think of any reason why someone would want to SSH into their phone.

 

[Prodo123]

Of course not, and look at all the desktops loaded with malware. Jailbreaking is of course a risk but not a death wish.

Don't install openssh. I can't think of any reason why someone would want to SSH into their phone.

I believe that is one of the main points of jailbreaking, to gain access to the system directories of iOS in order to change settings and graphics such as installing themes.
I used to develop themes for jailbroken devices, mainly Glaskart and its derivatives. It absolutely REQUIRED OpenSSH, especially when it's a new theme and you need to install it for testing.

That is probably a fair representation. I remember many high school and college-aged people I used to talk to on places like GameFAQs were into all of that kind of stuff. I mean, I can't even remember how many topics I saw of people saying they only bought PSPs so they could use Custom Firmware and download games for free.

I will admit to having used the stuff, myself. It was neat at first, but I kinda just lost the appeal of it. I didn't really appreciate the games as much if they were just downloaded right then and there and free and stuff. Dare I say it, I prefer paying for my games.

Anyways, I think that crowd is probably where much of the CFW/Jailbreak/etc is. At least from what I have seen.

Me too! I stuck with it for around 8 months and I got really into it, as you see above. Then jailbreaking just kinda sucked, especially with the direction that Apple is taking now.
Although I never pirated apps. Even when jailbroken, I'm one of the people who would have been "scammed" by Square Enix's decision.

 

[mm201]

Terminal apps and iFile. If you're not a developer, all the things you need to do are automatically done by Cydia anyway.

 

[Rajani Isa]

Jailbreaking isn't really modified software. Right out of the box, the only difference between jailbroken iOS and regular iOS is that you're the administrator.

The process of jailbreaking is a privilege escalation exploit. Nothing more.

You are quite simply modifying the software, and in a way not intended.

Not saying the mod is illegal, but it's (in it's impact) a huge one.

Actually, other than being one of the premiere software developers for the Playstation line, Square Enix has nothing to do with Sony.

For some reason I always want to read SquareEnix as SOE. *sigh*

 

[killzusall]

To be able to load cracked apps even after jailbreaking, you have to modify the mobile substrate, Apple use this to stop hacked devices from syncing with iTunes. Square could just change their protection to look for this.