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Good lord, the reason why the US is going to Chip and Sig isn't for security, it's for convenience. They know that the longer transactions take, the less happy the merchant and the customer will be. Add the fact that the most common PINs are 0000 and 1234, and the fact that people are dumb, and you'll have problems. Yes, the sig doesn't mean anything, but who cares. As a consumer, my credit card company takes care of all fraud, and all these cards are still vulnerable to CNP transactions.

Wat.

Chips take forever to authorize and work less reliably, from my experience. The fact that the industry is taking a step back in convenience and a step forward in security only helps NFC technology expand.
 
They have a swipe slot, yes, but if you have a chip card and swipe it when the chip reader is enabled it will say "insert card in chip reader". Most all cards are being upgraded from swipe to chip. Pretty soon no cards will use swipe, as all swipe cards are replaced with chip cards and all POS devices have the chip reader enabled. Swipe slot will be soon used only for secondary uses (loyalty cards, gift cards, etc).

yes but you still can use samsung pay at those location.
 
It has never been slow for me either. It Is Slow with chip debit cards however. But credit cards chip is actually fast.

Every time I watch a chip transaction, this includes watching others, it is always faster to simply swipe. I've never seen a chip transaction take less time than swiping.
 
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Poor marketing image. They should've turned the iPhone at a slight angle instead of lining it up perfectly with the reader. It would have made it more obvious at a casual glance that the iphone is just being held near the device as opposed to attached to it like the magnetic swipe reader:

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Obviously, you don't attach a NFC reader, but it just looks better and more natural to not line them up.
 
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remember when Apple said no one needed NFC?, Oh wait

I think you took their comment out of context. NFC when it was this big buzzword at the time, wasn't ready for the lime-light and Apple wasn't going to rush to put it in all their products if it wasn't "NEEDED" yet.

They were correct... look, it's 2015 and still NFC isn't widespread in small shops and businesses. I like that Apple doesn't rush into whatever's hot at the moment.
 
Wat.

Chips take forever to authorize and work less reliably, from my experience. The fact that the industry is taking a step back in convenience and a step forward in security only helps NFC technology expand.

Those new readers are terrible. Swiping was a very quick operation. Now you have to put it in and leave it there, listen to it buzz at you and if you jump the gun and remove it too soon, the whole transaction is cancelled.
 
Ridiculous. As if you know better than the company what they should (need to) charge for their product!

NFC and Apple Pay support implies radios, manufacturing costs, design costs, and lots of programming and infrastructure, all of which cost a lot of money, factors you armchair quarterbacks can't possibly know enough about to do any sort of credible "pricing" yourselves.

It's called feedback and having an opinion, quit shilling for for a company who creatively learned how to skim money off the top of productive people. Square bans firearm sales from its transactions, that's all I need to know about these self-righteous control freaks.
 
Those new readers are terrible. Swiping was a very quick operation. Now you have to put it in and leave it there, listen to it buzz at you and if you jump the gun and remove it too soon, the whole transaction is cancelled.

I agree, the whole chip thing is a debacle. Takes WAY too long to do a simple transaction.
 
I agree, the whole chip thing is a debacle. Takes WAY too long to do a simple transaction.

Us Americans sound like such idiots when comments like this are made.

Do you even know why we're switching to chipped cards? Do you know the first thing about them?
 
Do you even know why we're switching to chipped cards? Do you know the first thing about them?

Yeah, it's because banks are tired of carrying the cost of credit card breaches. If retailers didn't take chipped cards they'd be the ones eating any card breach related costs.

No consumer benefit to credit card users, possible benefit for debit card users.
 
Oh man, I really want to buy one. But I can't justify the 2.75% rate vs. collecting checks every two weeks—especially since our bank is across the street from my work. But it would be so cool!
 
Yeah, it's because banks are tired of carrying the cost of credit card breaches. If retailers didn't take chipped cards they'd be the ones eating any card breach related costs.

No consumer benefit to credit card users, possible benefit for debit card users.

So in other words you don't know the first thing about these chipped cards, gotcha.

I use credit cards for almost every purchase, but that doesn't mean I want it skimmed and then have to update all of my information through my vendors or go through the process of calling Chase and explaining what happened. I'd also rather have a dynamic transaction code for every transaction, rather than a static information transfer.

Ask the Brits and the Canadians about the benefits of the chipped cards... Look at how low their fraud rates are now compared to what they were before they implemented chip cards.

From my experience, most American's are too lazy to try something new. It's like we're dumber than every other country even though we have more money than most.
 
It's not that pretty. They take on high risk by accepting merchants off the street. Square is ultimately responsible for merchants that take the money and run, refuse to refund a defective purchase or go bankrupt before delivering the goods. They are also open to fraud, I've seen cases where criminals use their service to test credit card numbers, instead of going to a store or gas station where there's cameras.

Hmm I guess that could happen, but inorder to get a square account you'd have to supply a Social security number and a bank account. I guess you can make a fake account....
 
So in other words you don't know the first thing about these chipped cards, gotcha.

I use credit cards for almost every purchase, but that doesn't mean I want it skimmed and then have to update all of my information through my vendors or go through the process of calling Chase and explaining what happened. I'd also rather have a dynamic transaction code for every transaction, rather than a static information transfer.

Ask the Brits and the Canadians about the benefits of the chipped cards... Look at how low their fraud rates are now compared to what they were before they implemented chip cards.

From my experience, most American's are too lazy to try something new. It's like we're dumber than every other country even though we have more money than most.

Actually, he was correct and he seems to know more than you about the chipped cards.

The only reason for them is to protect banks. If you are sold on their PR campaign that it's for "your protection", then you should also probably put LoJack on your car. Corporations will do anything to maximize profits.
 
So in other words you don't know the first thing about these chipped cards, gotcha.

I use credit cards for almost every purchase, but that doesn't mean I want it skimmed and then have to update all of my information through my vendors or go through the process of calling Chase and explaining what happened. I'd also rather have a dynamic transaction code for every transaction, rather than a static information transfer.

Ask the Brits and the Canadians about the benefits of the chipped cards... Look at how low their fraud rates are now compared to what they were before they implemented chip cards.

From my experience, most American's are too lazy to try something new. It's like we're dumber than every other country even though we have more money than most.
It's sad because it never used to be like this. Is it our generation?
 
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Us Americans sound like such idiots when comments like this are made.

Do you even know why we're switching to chipped cards? Do you know the first thing about them?

Do you know why Europe invented chip cards? It's because their government monopoly phone calls are expensive. EMV was developed in 1995 to allow European merchants to authorize cards offline: without having to make a phone call. This is why you have to leave the card in the machine during the entire transaction. The card needs to know how much you want to purchase and whether the purchase was successful to update its internal counters. After a certain number of transactions or value, the card has to check in with the bank. This is also why they use PIN: a card can be valid long after you report it stolen because it hasn't checked in.

When they developed contactless, people had the Internet and online transactions were not a big deal at all. Contactless, like Apple Pay, stripped out all of the fancy offline features and basically left only authentication. Now, the card/phone never needs to hear back from the bank or know how much the transaction was. This is why contactless is referred to as "open-loop EMV"

This is why EMV's protection is incomplete. The credit card number and expiration date are transmitted in the clear. They did not consider how much online purchasing, and hence fraud, we'd be having in 2015. EMV, in its current form, was designed to allow offline transactions at a obviously trusted merchant, so it leaves major security gaps in the way we use cards today.

So the reason why EMV is so slow and clunky is because of an obsolete design solving a problem that the US never had, while not solving big fraud issues we do have. But since you're apparently the expert, I think you already knew that.
 
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