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Hi all,

New to the board but have been following this thread for a while. I just bought a early MBP 13" i7 with 500 GB HD and 4gb ram. I have already decided to upgrade the ram and prob at a SSD. Looking for suggestions on which RAM and SSD to purchase. I have been thinking about going with the Samsung 830 SSD and Samsung RAM.

I am very new to Macs and this would be the first time I have ever made any serious mods on a Mac so any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!
 
Hi all,

New to the board but have been following this thread for a while. I just bought a early MBP 13" i7 with 500 GB HD and 4gb ram. I have already decided to upgrade the ram and prob at a SSD. Looking for suggestions on which RAM and SSD to purchase. I have been thinking about going with the Samsung 830 SSD and Samsung RAM.

I am very new to Macs and this would be the first time I have ever made any serious mods on a Mac so any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!


Get whatever ram is cheapest and has good reviews.

For ssd. Read through this thread for suggestions. I got the crucial m4 as the price was good and you can update the firmware on a Mac.
 
Vertex 3 240GB SSD

I've just installed a Vertex 3 240GB SSD drive in my new MBP 13" i7 and thought I'd post some feedback and benchmarks.

The drive arrived with the latest firmware, 2.15 although I did set up a Linux USB boot drive so I could flash any new firmware later. This was very easy to set up and full instructions are on the OCZ website support forums. I ran the boot drive from a windows desktop with the SSD connected and it worked fine, I believe it will also work on the MBP with the drive installed.

I installed the SSD in an external enclosure and copied the drive with Carbon Copy Clone. This took a few hours for 100GB of data.

I then booted the MBP from the USB to make sure it was all okay before installing the drive, which was pretty easy btw.

Obviously the drive is very fast and along with the 8GB RAM upgrade has been very worthwhile. Here are the before (750GB Toshiba 5400RPM stock drive) and after benchmarks - XBench v1.3

Sequential
Uncached write 4k blocks 61.24 vs 310.13 MB/sec
Uncached write 256k blocks 75.94 vs 261.47 MB/sec
Uncached read 4k blocks 21.17 vs 35.06 MB/sec
Uncached read 256k blocks 56.16 vs 328.55 MB/sec

Random
Uncached write 4k blocks 1.49 vs 298.06 MB/sec
Uncached write 256k blocks 26.30 vs 314.23 MB/sec
Uncached read 4k blocks 0.4 vs 21.22 MB/sec
Uncached read 256k blocks 21.73 vs 319.99 MB/sec

The results speak for themselves, it's very fast although as has been noted before, a bit behind on the 4k block reads.

As far as stability goes, it's only been installed for less than a day but so far so good. First boot was slow so don't be alarmed if this happens. I will give further feedback on stability in a few days if anyone's interested.

One last thing, anecdotally, my battery life indicator which was starting to concern me after only 2 weeks of ownership, was showing only about 3 hours or so on full charge previously, this morning, under the same circumstances it was showing about 7 hours. This is not scientific but it appears that with the SSD installed the battery life is improved, perhaps dramatically - time will tell.

Hope that's all useful info.
 

It was $728 yesterday. :D

I paid $699. Worth every penny for anyone one that can afford it. Granted, I've only had it a little over a month but it's awesome. It came with the latest firmware so I didn't have to do anything but initialize it and clone back my old image.

And the extra room 512GB affords at least future-proofs it for a while at least.
 
OWC Mercury Extreme Pro 6G failures

Just wanted to share my experience with the OWC Mercury Extreme Pro 6G 240GB SSD. I'm using an early 2011 MacBookPro 17 and have always had an SSD in the system since the day I got it and swapped out the hard drive for an OCZ Vertex 2 240GB SSD - this drive worked flawlessly for the past 18 months and now has a home in the Windows PC - still going strong.

My misfortune began a couple of months ago when I decided to move to SATA III and decided to upgrade to the OWC Mercury Pro 6G SSD. At first got everything loaded and after a day or so noticed that the system would beach ball and become unresponsive. Contacted OWC support - they are very helpful and to be applauded for their customer service. After confirming all the latest boot roms, firmwares are installed, they suspected the MBP might have SATA issues. So I had to remove the SSD and put into an external FW800 enclosure to see if the problem persisted outside of the MBP. It did and the random beach balls and hard restarts continued to occur. Contacted OWC support and got an RMA to return the drive, but before the RMA paperwork was finalised, the SSD bricked, disappeared never to be used again so I just sent it on back.

Received the replacement drive which looked to be a reconditioned SSD by the marks on the case etc. Fresh install Lion and apps and restore files and data and test for problems. Thought I was in the clear, but the beach ball / hard restarts continued and this time it appeared to freeze when spotlight tried to index files shortly after booting and got itself into a nice loop of death. Contacted OWC support and the senior tech rep who is now looking after my case, RMA'd the second SSD - by the way I'm in Australia and sending back to USA each time so the experience is a little slow and painful.

Meantime I've had an 18 month old OCZ Vertex 1 (indilinx) SSD fail in a PC a few days after we moved it to another PC. Not sure why it decided to brick after the move, but got a partial credit from OCZ which I used to purchase a new OCZ Agility III 120GB SSD which I intended to use in my MBP just to see if another brand SSD running on SATA III had the same issues as the OWC. It's been in my MBP for about 1 month now and working flawlessly still.

So the third OWC Mercury Extreme Pro 6G arrives from the states - I'm hoping this is the one - third times a charm. So fresh installed Lion again, copy all data across and now this one is working real good. No beach balls of doom, no hard restarts required all is good for 2-3 days then BOOM dies again, can't recognise in the MBP, or in the external dock etc. Contact OWC support again and they are in the process RMA'ing this third SSD. OCZ Agility III SSD back in the MBP and still going fine with essentially the same sand force controller...

Still waiting on the RMA paperwork to arrive so I can send back the third faulty SSD, but my enthusiasm has been crushed by this extremely bad luck. After spending so much time installing Lion, Apps and data plus wearing out the screws in the bottom of my MBP replacing drives - it just makes you wonder if its worth it.

btw - SSD's are so worth it, but just make sure you backup religiously...
 
So the third OWC Mercury Extreme Pro 6G arrives from the states - I'm hoping this is the one - third times a charm. So fresh installed Lion again, copy all data across and now this one is working real good. No beach balls of doom, no hard restarts required all is good for 2-3 days then BOOM dies again, can't recognise in the MBP, or in the external dock etc.

btw - SSD's are so worth it, but just make sure you backup religiously...

Arg dude, that's a sucky experience! If it fails again, I'd suggest going for a Crucial M4, Samsung 830, Intel 320 or Samsung 470 - they all have proven very reliable in 2011 MBPs.

I would love to see OWC's failure stats - my guess is they are pretty high. In my opinion, they have chosen the SandForce 2 controller for their drives not because it's the best for a MBP, but because it's available at a good price for smaller OEMs.
 
In my opinion, they have chosen the SandForce 2 controller for their drives not because it's the best for a MBP, but because it's available at a good price for smaller OEMs.

Actually, no. SandForce is one of the most expensive controllers. Most OEMs pick SandForce because it's so easy and the performance is high so it sounds good on paper. SandForce provides out-of-the-box-ready firmware with high performance. E.g. Marvell provides only a very basic firmware, which requires a lot tweaking to perform like Crucial m4. Most OEMs don't have their own coding monkey division, so SandForce is their only choice.

And for everyone else, I've been fighting with pneumonia for the last week or so, hence I haven't replied to any posts. I will reply when I get better and my brain start to function again.
 
Actually, no. SandForce is one of the most expensive controllers. Most OEMs pick SandForce because it's so easy and the performance is high so it sounds good on paper. SandForce provides out-of-the-box-ready firmware with high performance. E.g. Marvell provides only a very basic firmware, which requires a lot tweaking to perform like Crucial m4. Most OEMs don't have their own coding monkey division, so SandForce is their only choice.

And for everyone else, I've been fighting with pneumonia for the last week or so, hence I haven't replied to any posts. I will reply when I get better and my brain start to function again.

Thanks, that's interesting :) Learn something new every day!

I'm guessing the type of agreements available / volumes required can also make a difference. Intel very rarely allows people to rebrand (maybe co-brand, like Kingston did with the X25M, but that's about it), Samsung allows it but it seems only on huge volumes, Crucial I have no idea. So that could also be a factor.

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And for everyone else, I've been fighting with pneumonia for the last week or so, hence I haven't replied to any posts. I will reply when I get better and my brain start to function again.

Oh - and get well soon!
 
Arg dude, that's a sucky experience! If it fails again, I'd suggest going for a Crucial M4, Samsung 830, Intel 320 or Samsung 470 - they all have proven very reliable in 2011 MBPs.

I would love to see OWC's failure stats - my guess is they are pretty high. In my opinion, they have chosen the SandForce 2 controller for their drives not because it's the best for a MBP, but because it's available at a good price for smaller OEMs.

I have an OWC as well. Problem free so far. It would be nice to see failure rates. What would be great is if more people who own them chimed in not just when they have problems, but also when they don't. Just to say how long they've owned it and how long it's been fine for them.

I'm hitting my first month. No problems.
 
I have an OWC as well. Problem free so far. It would be nice to see failure rates. What would be great is if more people who own them chimed in not just when they have problems, but also when they don't. Just to say how long they've owned it and how long it's been fine for them.

I'm hitting my first month. No problems.

After all my dramas, I honestly can't believe they are as unreliable for everyone - due to the fact the company has a pretty good reputation. I must be just very unlucky or perhaps the courier company delivering the replacements to Australia are treating the packages like baseballs and they are being damaged in transit...

Anyway just got the paperwork for my third return this morning, so I reckon I won't receive the 4th drive until the new year.
 
After all my dramas, I honestly can't believe they are as unreliable for everyone - due to the fact the company has a pretty good reputation. I must be just very unlucky or perhaps the courier company delivering the replacements to Australia are treating the packages like baseballs and they are being damaged in transit...

Anyway just got the paperwork for my third return this morning, so I reckon I won't receive the 4th drive until the new year.

I know how you feel! I went through about 3 OWC SSDs in the past year as well and sending back and forth was a pain.

After that experience, I decided to purchase locally so RMAs would be easier and quicker. I ended up buying a OCZ Vertex III Max IOPS SSD for my early 2011 MBP and it worked pretty well. Only downside that it tended to have a lot of power draw so my battery level always dropped from 100% down to 94% and then the charger light would turn amber and start charging it.

My late 2011 MBP has the Crucial M4 256GB SSD and it's been running flawlessly so far. Even though it's about $20 more than purchasing from the States, I would pay that difference just for the convenience of RMA'ing the drive locally (saves the trouble of going to the post office, filling out paperwork etc). Hope your issues get sorted.
 
After all my dramas, I honestly can't believe they are as unreliable for everyone - due to the fact the company has a pretty good reputation. I must be just very unlucky or perhaps the courier company delivering the replacements to Australia are treating the packages like baseballs and they are being damaged in transit...

Anyway just got the paperwork for my third return this morning, so I reckon I won't receive the 4th drive until the new year.

Believe me I know how you feel. I had bought an Android based Galaxy Tab 10.1 from Verizon. The first one I got, the screen was all washed out. Seriously odd. Showed it to the Verizon store and they easily agreed and replaced the unit.

The second one quickly developed this weird oil slick in the screen. Here is an image from the XDA-Developers forum.

tab_screen2.jpg


I went back to Verizon to show this to them and get it replaced again. They told me I was past my 14 days, plus I could only exchange it once and I had already done that. Even so they replaced it yet again but warned me that if it happened again all they could do would be to ship it to Samsung for service. So I took the 3rd one, and turned it on in the store. As they did also, to inspect it for any defects before I left. All parties satisfied, I left with the 3rd one, left it in the original box and put it in my closet. I decided to buy an iPad 2.

About a month later a buddy was over and I was showing him the difference between the Galaxy Tab and the iPad 2. After only a few minutes of showing it off side by side, the Galaxy Tab reproduced the oil slick, sometimes called Neptune's Rings, yet again.

Now here is the real kicker. Before I bought the Galaxy Tab, I bought and still own the T-Mobile G-Slate, and before that they Galaxy Tab 7". I sold the 7", and I still own the G-Slate and the 4th Galaxy tab. These are the worst devices I've ever own. And if you think that's unbelievable, add to that I also bought a G2X, which many know as one of the worst made Android phones for its numerous problems. I switched to Sprint to get the Samsung Nexus S, which also was a disaster.

Before my experience with Android, I'd only had a problem with an electronic device serious enough to merit return once in my life way back in 1986. I was completely stunned to have 4 Android Galaxy Tabs go bad one after the other, and two Android phones, from different manufactures exhibit serious issues.

I'm no stranger to smart phones either. I owned them since the Treo line from Palm. Numerous Blackberry, Palm, Windows Mobile and iPhones prior to the Android. And even more Androids such as the HTC EVO, which by the way was the only Android phone that ever worked well for me.

So when I hear someone say they had to return something 2 and 3 times in a row, I can believe it. It happened to me.

My first SSD was a Super Talent. Can't even remember when I bought it... It's that old. And it still works. I bought it long before anyone ever complained about SSD issues. After I bought it I started to read what others were saying about SSDs. I never had any of the problems I read about. Still, I was nervous and so I waited before adding an SSD to my new 2011 MBP. I own a MacBook Air, which never had a problem with its SSD, so I just moved forward with OWC. Two days after I installed it I read a few horror stories about the very drive I ordered and just paid $1,099 for. That drive and the 16 GBs of RAM cost just about as much as the MBP itself. I got nervous for a while, but reminded myself we almost only ever see those with bad experiences. I've bought plenty of things others have sworn were trouble only to find no trouble at all.

If you browse the forums you'll find people with problematic Macs too. And I still buy Macs. Same can be said for PCs, hardware and pretty much anything. I subscribe to the concept that in order for a business to thrive and grow, it can't sell garbage. A business must always strive to have a low return rate. I work very closely with DVD manufacturing companies. I hear about someone who can't play a disc all the time. It just happens. There is a company out there, called IntelliKey and they have hundreds of DVD players and perform BANK testing of your DVD on their players to measure compatibility. No matter how good you make the disc, you'll get a report of some players failing to play the disc. And we're talking Hollywood discs here. Major films you've heard of.

I've come to expect this. And I believe these chip makers and controller makers also do their fair share of testing. If Sandforce was horrible, those utilizing them would run away for greener pastures. No one can stay in business long by taking back a high rate of returns. The free market will simply weed them out.

Eventually this SSDs will become so rock solid we'll all forget their operations were ever in question. Personally, I think we had a lot of firmware issues with a lot of SSDs from virtually everyone, including Intel. These SSDs are still bleeding edge and these manufacturers are still getting their sea legs.

I got a huge warranty and I plan to use it if needed.

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I know how you feel! I went through about 3 OWC SSDs in the past year as well and sending back and forth was a pain.

After that experience, I decided to purchase locally so RMAs would be easier and quicker. I ended up buying a OCZ Vertex III Max IOPS SSD for my early 2011 MBP and it worked pretty well. Only downside that it tended to have a lot of power draw so my battery level always dropped from 100% down to 94% and then the charger light would turn amber and start charging it.

My late 2011 MBP has the Crucial M4 256GB SSD and it's been running flawlessly so far. Even though it's about $20 more than purchasing from the States, I would pay that difference just for the convenience of RMA'ing the drive locally (saves the trouble of going to the post office, filling out paperwork etc). Hope your issues get sorted.

If I exhibit tons of trouble and a lot of back and forth, I'd go with the one you have, in a 512GB capacity or the Samsung. Learning towards the Samsung. I'll wait of course and see how this plays out. So far so good.
 
Well after reading this thread and other topics on this forum & other sites, I went ahead and ordered the Crucial M4 256GB. I'm already impressed with the MacBook Pro performance so I know this will only make it better along with the matching Crucial 8GB ram kit I ordered as well.
 
I got a huge warranty and I plan to use it if needed.


+1

My 2007 MBP broke a lot, but hey, it had a 3 year warranty! I've just ordered the Crucial M4. I read a 3 year warranty on that? That's all I'd want it to last anyway, in 3 years SSDs will be a light year ahead of where they are today, then I'll get a new one :)
 
And for everyone else, I've been fighting with pneumonia for the last week or so, hence I haven't replied to any posts. I will reply when I get better and my brain start to function again.

Wish you a speedy recovery, I know too well what it entails since serious infections are my daily issues.

On another note (getting back to SSD's). Some postings/websites/whatever recommend to to a secure erase when the drive gets slower.

On website related a story of someone who actually does a fill drive completely with one big file and then deleting the file. It is reputed to restore the original performance after a few of those activities....

http://macperformanceguide.com/Storage-SSD-Reconditioning.html

I've been thinking about this and frugal person that I am I do not like to spend lots of money. Also taking a SSD drive out of a Mac mini and hot plugging it is not an exactly easy feat to achieve.

I am using windows 7 and am wondering about this: Would this mean (I do not have a SSD at this moment in my machine) that one can just increase the pagefile to almost all the empty space on the SSD (minus lets say 1 Gb) and afterwards shrink it again? Or under OS X: boot from external drive and assign the whole drive as a swap and then delete it again?

What do you think?
 
On another note (getting back to SSD's). Some postings/websites/whatever recommend to to a secure erase when the drive gets slower.

On website related a story of someone who actually does a fill drive completely with one big file and then deleting the file. It is reputed to restore the original performance after a few of those activities....

http://macperformanceguide.com/Stor...ob and don't worry about it. Just my opinion.
 
That article is from January 2010 before the TRIM command was available (hacked or otherwise) on OS X. All he is doing by filling the drive in his test is perhaps solving some issues related to file fragmentation, but he is not doing TRIM on the drive. The article looks more designed to get you to buy his "Disktester" software than anything else.

If you ever do see reduced write performance on your SSD from lack of TRIM, you can always enable the TRIM hack, boot to single user mode and run the command "fsck -fy" and this will TRIM all free space on the drive restoring to like new performance.

I'll say it again. I think everybody is too wound up over this TRIM issue. We are not seeing forum users here complaining about reduced performance from lack of TRIM long term. Just let the internal garbage collection in these drives do its job and don't worry about it. Just my opinion.

I agree on the commercial push. Unfortunately I am not running OS X natively but am running only Windows on an internal HDD.

There appears to be a free tool called SSDtool.exe that is supposedly doing the same thing as your UNIX command "fsck -fy".

Apparently the windows diskpart "clean all" command may be of use (but I am not convinced since it writes zero's to the whole disk. Without the "all" instead it tells the disk that there is nothing on it so that may be a better option but I have not tested it so cannot comment)

Agree on the normally not noticed slowdown and do not worry but in some cases it can be required. Once again it largely depends on what controller is doing and how the garbage collection works.
 
I agree on the commercial push. Unfortunately I am not running OS X natively but am running only Windows on an internal HDD.

What you do on the Windows partition is not going to do anything for TRIM on the OS X (HFS) partition though.
 
What you do on the Windows partition is not going to do anything for TRIM on the OS X (HFS) partition though.

I think you missed the point that I am only running Windows on the internal HDD. It is one reason why a person does not want both OS X and Windows (under bootcamp) on the same internal SSD since it is inevitable that one operating system will be primarily used. That will then result in that the SSD will have wear on the most used partition and hardly any on the seldom used partition. Not good.

OS X in my case is on an external HDD and only required to check if I need to do a firmware update. If the firmware update is required then unfortunately the internal HDD needs to run OS X on a GUID partitioned HDD (or SSD) otherwise the update will fail. Afterwards one can revert back to MBR partitioning and restore the Windows installtion. Fortunately it is very rare to have a firmware update and even then it all depends what the firmware update is fixing: e.g. if it is to improve Thunderbolt for some rare display and if one is not using Thunderbolt at all then why upgrade?
 
I have an OWC as well. Problem free so far. It would be nice to see failure rates. What would be great is if more people who own them chimed in not just when they have problems, but also when they don't. Just to say how long they've owned it and how long it's been fine for them.

I'm hitting my first month. No problems.
I'd be interested to see that kind of data as well. I want to relace my old technology Corsair SSD 3G with one of these OWC but wieh their prices...
Maybe we should start a poll and see what results will be shown
 
Ssd, placement/issues?

After reading a lot of posts and threads I've managed to narrow down my choices for an SSD to either a samsung 830 or crucial M4. However I can't get my head around two things: where to place the SSD and what to do with bootcamp.
I have a MacBook pro 8.2 with sata 3 in the main bay and sata 2 in the optical bay. I intend to put the SSD in the main bay (to make optimal use of the sata 3 / 600 speed possibilities and to prevent any sleep/wake issues I've read about) and to relocate the original disc in an optibay solution (which sacrifices the shock protection, or should I not do this?).
Currently I have my Lion and bootcamp (win 7) on this original disc, would it be necessary or advisable to reinstall the bootcamp to the SSD or can I keep it on the original disc in the optibay?
Thanks!!
 
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