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Nor am i.

Whoa... that had to be the longest post in history from someone who did not want to engage me in a long debate. ;)

As I said, TRIM is not clear cut in spite of what you like to think. Go read a recent SSD review on Anandtech by Hellhammer on the issue.

Now you want to add all these qualifiers to the warranty issue. First you said just buy a "new pull" (still used) off eBay and it is covered by warranty. I never said anything would void the warranty on the computer.

So your advice is to buy the exact same model Apple OEM part number used from eBay as came in the target computer, then install it and hope if you have warranty issues with the SSD Apple will not figure out you bought it used from another machine? If one wants to take that chance, I suppose one could.
 
mbp 13" late 2011

I have read all of this and i am a newbe to APPLe but used to own an HP running ubuntu on a ssd. an it ran fine.

Now i have a MBP 13" late 2011, i5 2.4 ghz, 8 gb ram an i want to upgrade to a ssd but the apple surtified tech told me that if i put an sad bigger the 512 in it it wil put my machine to over heat an maybe not run how it should. is this true.
i don't want to invest in something that might not work the correct way.
 
Whoa... that had to be the longest post in history from someone who did not want to engage me in a long debate. ;)

As I said, TRIM is not clear cut in spite of what you like to think. Go read a recent SSD review on Anandtech by Hellhammer on the issue.

Now you want to add all these qualifiers to the warranty issue. First you said just buy a "new pull" (still used) off eBay and it is covered by warranty. I never said anything would void the warranty on the computer.

So your advice is to buy the exact same model Apple OEM part number used from eBay as came in the target computer, then install it and hope if you have warranty issues with the SSD Apple will not figure out you bought it used from another machine? If one wants to take that chance, I suppose one could.

oh boy. :confused:

I think it's pretty clear cut about trim on the issue. No doubt about it. I referenced Hellhammer's article and Andands for reference. What are you not getting here?

Yes the drives will work and probably work without trim without issue. Will you ever need it, depending on the drive GC is good without it. Hellhammer was right, you don't really need it. With that being said. All CG is not the same. Hence not constant performance from each drive.

With they work to their optimal performance without it. No. Period.
Will you get consistant performance without trim, no. Period.

Here is one:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4863/the-samsung-ssd-830-review/6

Despite the praise though I do wish Samsung would more significantly address one of its long standing issues. I honestly believe Intel has the right idea of performing as much garbage collection in real time as possible. Very few (if any) desktop workloads require > 100MB/s of small file random writes, I would gladly trade some performance there for higher numbers in a fragmented state. Idle time garbage collection just seems like an ineffecient way to do things, you end up dealing with very high write amplification and potentially harm the overall user experience when you're not idle as a result.

In the end I welcome the 830 as another high-speed option in the 6Gbps space. We have a number of great performers to choose from, but what matters most today is reliability and solid validation testing. The Samsung SSD 830 may be able to join Intel's SSD 510 in delivering both of those without sacrificing performance.


Thus with the above, my idea of using a slower drive with Trim than a faster one without trim.

How much more clear cut can I make this?:confused:

You can tell them you bought it on e'bay. I doubt they would ask as long as it is a approved part for your machine. Even if they ask it wouldn't matter as long as it's a approved part. A 2011 Apple SSD that you buy off of e'bay would be a approved part for a 2011 MBP. Regardless if you got it off of Apple. If your SSD fails it is covered under warranty under Apple's terms and conditions. Regardless if it came with your machine or not. The part was taken from another MBP that had a warranty with it. The part was and is a approved part.



Do I really have to rehash this again? Really? If I put my left over Ram from a Macbook Pro, and put it in my Imac, but the ram is hynix in the MBP and the ram in the imac is Samsung. If I take it to a Apple repair shop or the Apple store for repair, they are not going to ask why do you have 8GB of ram, or they don't match.

Hey you got Hynix Ram or hey you got Samsung Ram in your imac! No, of coarse not. They are approved parts in user serviceable areas.

As long as it's on the list for your machine. You are good to go.

Did you miss my imac Ram example. I don't know what to tell you if you are not getting that example. I don't know how else to explain it to you. :confused:
 
I think it's pretty clear cut about trim on the issue. No doubt about it. I referenced Hellhammer's article and Andands for reference. What are you not getting here?

No you didn't. His article is here. Pay particular attention to the section on TRIM


With they work to their optimal performance without it. No. Period.
Will you get consistant performance without trim, no. Period.

Again... just your opinion. There is no clear consensus on this. We can agree to disagree.

Do I really have to rehash this again? Really? If I put my left over Ram from a Macbook Pro, and put it in my Imac, but the ram is hynix in the MBP and the ram in the imac is Samsung. If I take it to a Apple repair shop or the Apple store for repair, they are not going to ask why do you have 8GB of ram, or they don't match.

I understand perfectly what you are saying. I am saying if you go to an Apple Store with a non-functioning machine and say, "Hi there, my Macbook won't work" and they determine the SSD (that you bought used off eBay) is bad they may see that your serial number Macbook did not come with an SSD and ask where you got your SSD. So if you tell the truth that you bought it used off eBay, do you really think they will honor the warranty on a used SSD from eBay that they do not know the age/origin of?

I am not accusing you of being untruthful. I am only saying if Apple learns the truth about this used eBay SSD scenario they are not likely to honor a warranty on that SSD if it fails.

I think installing a used Apple OEM SSD from eBay is a perfectly valid choice, but one should be aware of the warranty implications of doing this.

I understand your examples and I understand you are saying Apple is not likely to ask, but what if they do find out... what if they do ask. Just something for the buyer to consider before going this route.

No need to get so upset. It is just an SSD recommendation. :)
 
I've got an old MBP 1,1 that I don't really need anymore.

I was thinking about changing into a "couch laptop" -- for surfing and itunes streaming, etc. Do you guys think I could throw a 32 or 64GB SSD in there? If I'm not too concerned with compatibility issues, would any brand do?

I figure they'll be clearancing them out soon and I could pick one up on the cheap.
 
No you didn't. His article is here. Pay particular attention to the section on TRIM




Again... just your opinion. There is no clear consensus on this. We can agree to disagree.



I understand perfectly what you are saying. I am saying if you go to an Apple Store with a non-functioning machine and say, "Hi there, my Macbook won't work" and they determine the SSD (that you bought used off eBay) is bad they may see that your serial number Macbook did not come with an SSD and ask where you got your SSD. So if you tell the truth that you bought it used off eBay, do you really think they will honor the warranty on a used SSD from eBay that they do not know the age/origin of?

I am not accusing you of being untruthful. I am only saying if Apple learns the truth about this used eBay SSD scenario they are not likely to honor a warranty on that SSD if it fails.

I think installing a used Apple OEM SSD from eBay is a perfectly valid choice, but one should be aware of the warranty implications of doing this.

I understand your examples and I understand you are saying Apple is not likely to ask, but what if they do find out... what if they do ask. Just something for the buyer to consider before going this route.

No need to get so upset. It is just an SSD recommendation. :)

Well we can agree! :) Are we friends now? :D

I am not upset in the least.

I Referenced Anand's not Hellhammers. But even the one you linked too shows the benefits of Trim over not having it, the SSD runs optimal with Trim than without. Do you need it no. Does it run better with it, I think all articles posted with it shows it does. This fact isn't even debatable.

If you can't use the Trim command,the SSD has no idea what data is valid or not on the drive - so eventually even with "free" space it will only be able to write as fast as the garbage collection algorithm can run. Most current SSDs will run garbage collection in the background to mitigate this. Therefore a SSD is not running as optimal as it should be or could be by not having Trim enabled.


If that was the case why would we need Trim at all?

That is a very good article. Almost has me convinced to get a 830 and put in my MBP. But having to rely on these machines to run my business, I need a problem free drive. I need my drive running optimal and problem free sacrificing benchmark performance will stick with Trim for now.

But we can agree to disagree. :)

It does't matter where you got the drive, yes if you say you got it off e'bay at a Apple store, they could try to question it. But who would do that?

If you get a drive that fits with your MBP they know the age of the SSD. It is the same age as your MBP. Remember 2010 Apple SSD to 2010 MBP, 2011 Apple SSD to 2011 MBP. If you get your 2011 MBP HD repaired for example and want it replaced with a SSD which would be a upgrade at a depot, guess what? They would replace your default HD with a authorized part which would be a 2011 Apple SSD.Take it to a depot and they might recommend you get the part off of ebay! I think that is where we are having some confusion here. My perspective is in dealing with a depot, maybe yours is with a Apple store.

They told me this i dont know how many times. The depot and Apple stores use the same warranty guide lines, but the so called "geniuses" interpret the warranty differently. Tend to be more for Apple. Where as the depot is more for the customer and who i've dealt with for the last ten years.

So if you do get a SSD off of ebay, take it directly to a depot would be my recommendation. Forget a Apple store. The Depot's are Apple owned or Authorized for repair and upgrades. Anyone is free to walk in and they will help you.

I always recommend a authorized repair center(depot they call it), they are the ones who get all the parts for the Apple stores and do the heavy jobs for the Apple stores. It states in your warranty that the repair will be done with the same parts or "Apple authorized part or parts".

You can go to a repair center and order a SSD from them and they will install a Apple SSD for you, or you can order it yourself from them and install it yourself.

You could say my cousin gave it to me from his machine, etc. Or i bought it off a authorized repair center. And your good to go. But it would be covered either way. If it is a authorized part it really doesnt matter where you got it from. If it's on the list of authorized parts for your machine you're good to.
 
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Thanks.

Another question, Why do you need to hack it? Apple says the HD is a user replaceable part so i dont get why it needs to be hacked to turn it on?

is this something that will be addressed in Mountain Lion?
 
It does't matter where you got the drive, yes if you say you got it off e'bay at a Apple store, they could try to question it. But who would do that?

If you get a drive that fits with your MBP they know the age of the SSD. It is the same age as your MBP.

You can still buy a refurb Macbook Pro model from the Apple Online Store that was originally released in February 2011. So if I buy one of those Macbook Pros today and order a used OEM SSD from eBay that SSD could be up to 16 months old now. So if my machine stops working because the 16 month old SSD is bad on my one month old machine Apple has a financial motivation, and the absolute right, to deny my warranty claim. You might slide it by Apple and you might not. But you can't deny it is taking a risk if there are warranty issues and that is my point. Anyone considering this route needs to weigh the risks.
 
Thanks.

Another question, Why do you need to hack it? Apple says the HD is a user replaceable part so i dont get why it needs to be hacked to turn it on?

is this something that will be addressed in Mountain Lion?

You are not hacking the SSD, you are hacking OSX so that it sends the TRIM command to all SSDs, not just the Apple OEM ones.
 
You can still buy a refurb Macbook Pro model from the Apple Online Store that was originally released in February 2011. So if I buy one of those Macbook Pros today and order a used OEM SSD from eBay that SSD could be up to 16 months old now. So if my machine stops working because the 16 month old SSD is bad on my one month old machine Apple has a financial motivation, and the absolute right, to deny my warranty claim. You might slide it by Apple and you might not. But you can't deny it is taking a risk if there are warranty issues and that is my point. Anyone considering this route needs to weigh the risks.

No they don't have any right to deny your claim.


But who would do that, go into a Apple store and say 'this drive failed that I bought off of e'bay, can you fix it? Seriously.

Especially at a Apple store. You can go to a Apple depot, and tell them you bought it off of ebay, they might ask you 'how much did you get it for? I recommend going to a depot. They make money off of upgrades and repairs, not the parts themselves, labor.


If it fails even though it did not come with your machine, they have to honor the warranty. They have no way of knowing how old the drive is.

If it is a third party drive then they will not void your warranty, they just will not cover the drive if something happens to it.

Most Apple employees are not versed properly on warranty issues. Actually most are not when it comes to upgrades and repair. Like I said I would go to a depot.

They cannot deny your warranty claim. If my HD fails, and I buy a 'used newer Apple SSD' off of e'bay to replace it with, and take my MBP for my model year, say a 2011 Apple SSD for a 2011 MBP, in for repair they have to honor the warranty. Period.

You do know that you are allowed under the warranty to replace your own HD, or upgrade it if you wish with Apple authorized parts for your machine. Apple even has a turtional on how to do this.

I would recommend taking with you a copy of the warranty. Especially the pages which show you how to change out the HD and Ram if you go to a Apple store.

Print this out take it with you. If your machine has all Apple user upgrade-able authorized parts, they cannot say anything. And that includes a Apple SSD bought off of ebay for your model year of laptop. If it's a authorized part for your machine, they cannot say anything. Zero, nothing.

This is from 2009 and is the current one avail and the one for the current uni-body MBP's. Notice it says "DIY'.

https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=...en_US/MBPRO_13inch_Mid2009_Hard_Drive_DIY.pdf

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1270

That is why I said 'new pull' or 'new' SSD. But a used one will work as well.

Buy the newest you can. But neither will have a effect on warranty. There is no risk with the warranty. None. If you have a authorized part for your machine in a user upgrade-able area. They cannot by the terms of the warranty deny your claim. They can try. If you go to a Apple store and not a depot, there is a greater risk. If you go to a depot, there really isn't any risk what so ever.

The only risk is that if you say you installed it yourself, that they can say you damaged it in the process. The same can be said for RAM. But that is a weak argument. And one that will not hold up. They have to prove you damaged it, which they cannot. I highly they would even try it.

If you say you sent it to a repair center, they cannot say anything. And the terms of your warranty you don't have to say where you got it done. No where in the warranty states that you have to provide a receipt or service proof on a user upgrade able part. That is the loophole. That is why they call them user upgrade-able parts.

I wouldn't suggest to lie. You don't have too. If it's a authorized part, on a interchangeable user upgrade able part a OEM part, you have no worries. Zero. Don't they sell ram at the Apple store or used too? They also sell upgrades at the store, you can go to a Apple depot and ask them to install a Apple SSD.

A early 2011 refurb is not a new machine. It is like new. The case is new but the innards are guess what, 16 months old, save for the case and part that was not functional or replaced. All parts were tested sure, but is no reason for Apple to deny warranty. They are still 16 months old, same as a possible 2011 SSD. The same can be said if you put a late 2011 SSD which is only six months old into a 16 month old MBP. Apple has no way of knowing the difference. None. Zero. Zip. Nor would they question it as it is a authorized user part made by Apple for that particular machine.

The parts in a refurb are not labeled refurbished, only the model of your refurb product.

Do you have know how many times I did exactly that over the last ten years? Too many too count. Apple has no way of knowing how old the drive is, only that it's a user replaceable part and that it is a authorized part. that's it.
 
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No they don't have any right to deny your claim.

Yes they do.

Now you are parsing words and changing the argument again with "new or newer."

Go read the Apple warranty. It warrants the machine and parts for "one year from original retail purchase." In my hypothetical above one would have a SSD that was "purchased new at retail" and used for 16 months and is not covered by warranty. If you can get away with it, that's great. But others may not get away with it and can have warranty issues.

I'm not going to clutter up the thread any more with this. Let's just say we disagree about what the Apple warranty says.
 
Yes they do.

Now you are parsing words and changing the argument again with "new or newer."

Go read the Apple warranty. It warrants the machine and parts for "one year from original retail purchase." In my hypothetical above one would have a SSD that was "purchased new at retail" and used for 16 months and is not covered by warranty. If you can get away with it, that's great. But others may not get away with it and can have warranty issues.

I'm not going to clutter up the thread any more with this. Let's just say we disagree about what the Apple warranty says.


You're reaching here. With two arms. Refurbished machines? 16 month old SSD's. :rolleyes:

There is no warranty on individual parts, just your machine as a whole. When they say parts, they mean the one's in your machine. Once it's in your machine it is part of your machine and part of the warranty if it's a OEM Apple part. And that includes Apple SSD drives that are the authorized for your particular model of MBP. Particulary ones that are in user serviceable areas such as Ram and HD's. But it must be Apple Ram and Apple drives.

Once it is in your machine, and it's a Apple authorized part for your machine, it doesn't matter how old it is. It will be as old as your machine according to the part supply list and the list for the authorized parts that go in your machine.

Apple doesn't differentiate if it's a 16 month old part or one month old part. As long as it's on the list, authorized for your machine, it doesn't matter. A 2011 MBP part is a 2011 MBP part. Weather it's 16 months or 1 month. Doesn't matter. Nor should it.

Get away with it? No one is trying to get away with anything? You're not deceiving anyone, it is allowed under the terms of the warranty. If it's a Apple part and is a part of your machine just as Ram would be.

If I take extra ram that is 16 months old from my MBP and add it to my new imac, to go from 4gb to 8gb I am committing fraud? Really? Same situation. No different.

Your machine is covered for one year. That's it. If you get Apple care it's extended, on the whole machine, not individual parts.

They have no idea hold old the drive is or when it was manufactured. Nor does it matter as the warranty does not have a stipulation on older parts being in your machine. I said to buy a 'new' one or 'newer pull'.

And I did say 'new' or 'newer' pulls. Trying reading my posts. I never changed anything. Regardless it wouldn't matter.

Most on e'bay are new pulls, with minimal use or no use at all. New ones are avail also.


Did you miss that line?

I will just drop this argument. It seems you are having difficultly with what i am talking about, and we are clogging up the thread. So lets just agree to disagree, here. ;)
 
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I'm Not that techie but I have late 2008 MacBook Pro 2.8 with 8GB ram.I would love to upgrade my 320Gb HD to 400+ or 500 GB SSD of extra spped so few questions for the techie guys out there

would the SSD work in late 2008 models unibody?
recommendation for SSD for my Macbook model ?
how would i transfer my old HDD to SSD ?

Many thanks for the help and advice
 
I'm Not that techie but I have late 2008 MacBook Pro 2.8 with 8GB ram.I would love to upgrade my 320Gb HD to 400+ or 500 GB SSD of extra spped so few questions for the techie guys out there

would the SSD work in late 2008 models unibody?
recommendation for SSD for my Macbook model ?
how would i transfer my old HDD to SSD ?

Many thanks for the help and advice

Most SSDs like Crucial for example have versions that come with a transfer cable and you can download SuperDuper and clone the old drive over to the new. The older MBPs will have a slower SATA link speed. I am not sure of the speed in the '08s. I am guessing they are at least 3Gbps still. Amazon and Newegg have great prices on them. Crucial and Samsung SSDs seem to be the popular ones on the forums with Crucial being cheaper by around $50 and the Firmware can be updated on a Mac.
 
Most SSDs like Crucial for example have versions that come with a transfer cable and you can download SuperDuper and clone the old drive over to the new. The older MBPs will have a slower SATA link speed. I am not sure of the speed in the '08s. I am guessing they are at least 3Gbps still. Amazon and Newegg have great prices on them. Crucial and Samsung SSDs seem to be the popular ones on the forums with Crucial being cheaper by around $50 and the Firmware can be updated on a Mac.

Fab. Many thanks for the quick reply appreciate it;)
 
The AnandTech MacBook Pro Retina is up. Has a good bit of info on the OEM blade drive of the retina.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6023/the-nextgen-macbook-pro-with-retina-display-review/14

The OEM Apple SSD of the 2012 non-retina will also have the same SSD as the retina but in the 2.5 form factor available. There will also be a SSD option from toshiba as well.

Those Samsung after market 830's which is the same SSD is a very good SSD indeed. Put one of these in your MBP and you virtually have retina MBP performance.

The comparison of the 2010 OEM Apple SSD to the Retina OEM Samsung based 830 was pretty funny. And I do remember those 2010 models of Apple SSD, swore I would never use one again and used a Vertex 2 instead. I gave Apple another shot with a OEM SSD with the 2011 Toshiba GBSJ version, I was very pleased with the performance in day to day use. Still am to this day.

I am also surprised actually shocked to see the old Toshiba based Sata 2 Apple SSD(GBSJ model) from 2011 do so well in the tests. A third party SSD would do better such as the aftermarket Samsung 830 or M4, but having a Trim enabled OEM SSD drive that is reliable do this well is not too bad.

I thought that it really did not matter too much in day to day usage, and seems it really doesn't. But until I saw these tests, you did't really know by how much either way. Now we do. You do see the newer OEM Samsung SSD pull away on some of the seq. Like imovie import, but not export as it seems like it is CPU bound he states. Of coarse it wins in all tests, but not by a huge margin being a Sata 3 drive. I kind of expected it since these tests simulate real world usage, but did not know for sure.

Now I don't feel so bad about having a 2011 Sata 2 OEM Toshiba Apple SSD for my late 2011 MBP. :)

Might have to hold onto this puppy for another year until they get the kinks worked on the software side for the Retina. Next year haswell!
 
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The AnandTech MacBook Pro Retina is up. Has a good bit of info on the OEM blade drive of the retina.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6023/the-nextgen-macbook-pro-with-retina-display-review/14

The OEM Apple SSD of the 2012 non-retina will also have the same SSD as the retina but in the 2.5 form factor available. There will also be a SSD option from toshiba as well.

Those Samsung after market 830's which is the same SSD is a very good SSD indeed. Put one of these in your MBP and you virtually have retina MBP performance.

The comparison of the 2010 OEM Apple SSD to the Retina OEM Samsung based 830 was pretty funny. And I do remember those 2010 models of Apple SSD, swore I would never use one again and used a Vertex 2 instead. I gave Apple another shot with a OEM SSD with the 2011 Toshiba GBSJ version, I was very pleased with the performance in day to day use. Still am to this day.

I am also surprised actually shocked to see the old Toshiba based Sata 2 Apple SSD(GBSJ model) from 2011 do so well in the tests. A third party SSD would do better such as the aftermarket Samsung 830 or M4, but having a Trim enabled OEM SSD drive that is reliable do this well is not too bad.

I thought that it really did not matter too much in day to day usage, and seems it really doesn't. But until I saw these tests, you did't really know by how much either way. Now we do. You do see the newer OEM Samsung SSD pull away on some of the seq. Like imovie import, but not export as it seems like it is CPU bound he states. Of coarse it wins in all tests, but not by a huge margin being a Sata 3 drive. I kind of expected it since these tests simulate real world usage, but did not know for sure.

Now I don't feel so bad about having a 2011 Sata 2 OEM Toshiba Apple SSD for my late 2011 MBP. :)

Might have to hold onto this puppy for another year until they get the kinks worked on the software side for the Retina. Next year haswell!

So it is certain that the optional ssd's for non retina MacBook Pro 15" 2012 edition, are in fact the same internally with those from retina models?
 
So it is certain that the optional ssd's for non retina MacBook Pro 15" 2012 edition, are in fact the same internally with those from retina models?

According to Anand and someone I know in Apple's supply chain. I trust my friend in the supply chain, as he was spot on the 'soldered ram' for the retina.

Which would make sense. I know that the blade Apple SSD used the same controller as last year for Toshiba, but Samsung did not make a 2.5 Apple SSD, just a blade version. That might still be the case. I don't know for sure.

The 2.5 Toshiba 2011 Apple SSD(GBSJ model) even though it used the same controller as the Blade Toshiba SSD it was slightly faster than the blade version. I owned a 2011 MacBook Air that I gave to my wife, and it has the toshiba Apple SSD.

I am getting 230\190 on the GBSJ 2.5 now where as I was getting 200\170 on the blade version on the Air.
Either way, it should be a 6G drive and either Samsung or Toshiba. Anand doesn't specify in his review of the retina SSD which the non-retina pros' will be getting if one or both. Only they will be faster.

The 2012 MacBook Air, 2012 MacBook Pro and next-generation MacBook Pro all feature updated solid state storage.

Maybe someone with a 2012 OEM Apple SSD can help us out here?

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6005/apples-new-ssd-its-fast
 
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Samsung 830 SSD question

So, I'm about to pull the trigger on a Samsung 830 256GB and I'm hoping someone can clarify the different models here....
I usually see 2 different types that are "laptop" drives the MZ-7PC256B/WW and the MZ-7PC256N/AM. I was wondering if anyone can shed some light on the difference. On BHPhoto they are on sale for $223 & $239 respectively... just wondering what the $16 difference is.

Edit: Also, what's up w/ MZ-7PC256D/AM?
 
According to Anand and someone I know in Apple's supply chain. I trust my friend in the supply chain, as he was spot on the 'soldered ram' for the retina.

Which would make sense. I know that the blade Apple SSD used the same controller as last year for Toshiba, but Samsung did not make a 2.5 Apple SSD, just a blade version. That might still be the case. I don't know for sure.

The 2.5 Toshiba 2011 Apple SSD(GBSJ model) even though it used the same controller as the Blade Toshiba SSD it was slightly faster than the blade version. I owned a 2011 MacBook Air that I gave to my wife, and it has the toshiba Apple SSD.

I am getting 230\190 on the GBSJ 2.5 now where as I was getting 200\170 on the blade version on the Air.
Either way, it should be a 6G drive and either Samsung or Toshiba. Anand doesn't specify in his review of the retina SSD which the non-retina pros' will be getting if one or both. Only they will be faster.

The 2012 MacBook Air, 2012 MacBook Pro and next-generation MacBook Pro all feature updated solid state storage.

Maybe someone with a 2012 OEM Apple SSD can help us out here?

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6005/apples-new-ssd-its-fast

thank you
 
So, I'm about to pull the trigger on a Samsung 830 256GB and I'm hoping someone can clarify the different models here....
I usually see 2 different types that are "laptop" drives the MZ-7PC256B/WW and the MZ-7PC256N/AM. I was wondering if anyone can shed some light on the difference. On BHPhoto they are on sale for $223 & $239 respectively... just wondering what the $16 difference is.

Edit: Also, what's up w/ MZ-7PC256D/AM?

They are all exactly the same drive. The difference is the desktop version has a mounting bracket to mount a 2.5" laptop drive in a desktop drive opening. There are also some model numbers that have a free downloadable Ghost Recon game.

You don't need any brackets or anything else that comes in these kits. All you need for a Macbook is the bare drive, so just get whichever model is cheapest.
 
They are all exactly the same drive. The difference is the desktop version has a mounting bracket to mount a 2.5" laptop drive in a desktop drive opening. There are also some model numbers that have a free downloadable Ghost Recon game.

You don't need any brackets or anything else that comes in these kits. All you need for a Macbook is the bare drive, so just get whichever model is cheapest.

Ok, that's what I was thinking. I had read though that the notebook version comes w/ a "installation kit" which is basically an adapter to fit into the 12mm spot in the mbp because the drive itself it actually only 7mm thick... I guess I'll have to look more into that, unless some one here installed the samsung 830 and vouch that it doesn't need any adapter.

I wouldn't mind the game :) but it seems to only be found @ new egg and for $40, which I really don't care to pay for. So it looks like BHPhoto for me.
 
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