Apple is getting uncomfortably like Google. More and more things released as either officially beta or clearly unfinished.
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Stage Manager Still Has Several Issues as iPadOS 16 Nears Release
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Apple is getting uncomfortably like Google. More and more things released as either officially beta or clearly unfinished.
I’m the kind of person who likes to upgrade to the newest iPad Pro every release. With state of iPad OS this year and lack of direction Apple has with this platform, I have zero desire to upgrade. MacOS is the place to be for Apple power users the last couple years.
Installed the newest beta today, enabled stage manager. Opened mail, tapped the top bar of the mail list, expecting to scroll to top, instead, it selects the message which is behind the navigation bar...
This is what Apple gets for relying too heavily on contractors. And the bean counters running the company thought this would be a great way to decrease costs while maximizing shareholder value. 🤷🏻♂️
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Hopefully Apple doesn't rush this out in a bugged state. They could always pull it from 16.1 and put it in a future release instead.
I haven’t used any of the betas, so I don’t know what the experience is — but how is it different from SM on Mac? Does it not function as intended on Mac as well? From the demo, it looked like a neat idea.
To all of you saying "just put macOS on the iPad" --- will you ever get through your heads that ONLY GEEKS WANT THIS? The vast (VAST!) majority of users appreciate the relative simplicity of iOS/iPadOS and don't want some complicated desktop OS on their TOUCH-FIRST tablet computer.
Steve Jobs very clearly laid out the raison d'être for the iPad when it was launched, and it certainly wasn't to be a "flattened-Mac."
You want desktop OS on a tablet? Microsoft Surface has got you covered.
Steve Jobs very clearly laid out the raison d'être for the iPad when it was launched, and it certainly wasn't to be a "flattened-Mac."
You want desktop OS on a tablet? Microsoft Surface has got you covered.
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A lot of things “according to twitter” do not remotely mirror reality. Just the fact that it’s far less choppy means it’s better (and you can even see that lack of chop in the videos, but they won’t draw attention to that
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I liked ipad 1. i Remember thinking it would be a computer I’d connect to a monitor, keyboard, and mouse someday. Then I could pull it from a stand and walk off with it As a tablet. Never happened.
And, given how many macOS systems sell versus EVERY other OS out there, there’s a fairly large number of folks that aren’t a fan of the macOS default window management… or macOS period.
Here we are with a disaster of a “feature“ barely anyone will use….they could have shipped this in 16.2 or something and released EVERYTHING ELSE by now. More proof how backwards and stretched thin the teams are. Oh and Craig flat out lied about it being M1 only After realizing 90 percent of iPad owners wont be able to use their half baked stage manager garbage
This. ”Dex Mode” is absolutely what is needed. Plug an external monitor into the iPad, and we should see MacOS pop up on the external screen. Quite frankly, I would consider buying an iPad Pro with M-series chips if they had this feature.Nah. iPadOS needs major changes. The OS is absolutely outdated for what they want the iPad to do. The iPad has the guts of a Mac, but does less than a Mac and is more expensive than a Mac. They keep advertising it as a laptop replacement yet it can't install software freely like the Mac can, barely has any pro apps compared to the Mac, and connecting it to a monitor or using keyboard and mouse is just worse than on the Mac, even with the Stage Manager changes.
We need a DeX mode for iPadOS when the Magic Keyboard is connected or if it's connected to a monitor. Stage Manager ain't it. For god's sake, cheap ass Android phones have a desktop mode, but not the $700-1000+ iPads!
You’re right. I”m looking to buy it, turn it on & get running in under. 2 minutes with simple setup, entering my passwords, Apple ID, etc. I’m not looking into learning the finer points of a new OS, that I’ve never touched before. IOS is superb for the mobile market which the iPad still is believe it or not even though it’s not a phone. This is something a lot of you are forgetting.
You are aware this is a completely different environment for the iPad… this is a very ambition project by Apple. Resizing and overlapping windows have never been done on the iPad.
Back in 2015 they released iOS 9 which brought SplitScreen (that was a limited feature) and for SIX years thats practically what the iPad has had for multitasking (with a few tweaks along the way).
Of course it’s ambitious…. And I think everyone expects apple to be able to figure it out. Not pay them loads of cash to be free beta testers. They’re the most wealthy company on planet earth. They are a victim of their own stubbornness. They could’ve brought this out a couple years ago rather than trying to reinvent the wheel in 6 months….and it’s still very busted after 4 months of betas. Also they’ve essentially changed multitasking nearly every year since ios 9….apple can’t seem to figure out multitasking on an iPad Until recently as its current implementation is the most refined….and now want to add/change it AGAIN. Funny thing is it’s been figured out on the Mac for 30 years…
The biggest thing professionals want is a better files app and certain pro apps and features that aren’t gimped versions of their Mac counterparts…..that would satisfy 90 percent of pro work flows. This whole windowing system is garbage on such small devices. If you’re gonna do it…DO IT and stop with adding yet another layer of complexity to fight the user.
Pay? We pay them to be beta testers? It’s a public beta and users only need to sign up, its free.
I agree, they could have brought this out years ago. But tbf, with the pandemic… schedule might have changed. I don’t agree that it’s “very busted.” I’m currently on beta 9 due to the fact they removed Stage Manager on an external display… I won’t lie and claim I’ve never crashed. But bugs are not as rampant as critics have led us to believe.
And on the topic, releasing it early… I think this was an M1 exclusive feature (could have been released last year at WWDC) which that has been completely discarded due to the fact Apple expanded Stage Manager support to A12X/Z iPad Pros.
They made some minor tweaks to multitasking… but for the most part the end result has been SplitScreen. And the current implementation of multitasking is still available.. that’s why I don’t understand the criticism. Stage Manager is off by default… if the user doesn’t care to use it, don’t use it.
And I believe a better files app along with certain pro apps will come… especially with new features like Desktop Class API and virtual memory swap capabilities.
Yes….you are a free employee of apple doing beta testing….and buying their products. So kinda yeah paying them in a way.
Id bet every last cent I have that if you asked every professional who uses an iPad what they want top of list it’s pro apps and a fully featured files app before a gimped windowing system they can’t seem to figure out. We don’t need windowing for grandma….the training wheels are off. Either make it pro or leave it alone.
I totally get apple wants to reinvent windowing….and that’s cool.…if it works well.
I guess my overall sentiment here is that apple USED to be good at letting people know they didn’t know they needed something Till they used it. Now they throw whatever against the wall and let the community figure it out/test/suggest changes. Of course that’s always part of the equation but now it’s apples M.O.
Maybe, maybe not. iOS was doing fine in his tenure in the past. And who can forget the awesome iOS 12 that brings performance back for some older devices?
Maybe management is part of the problem as well.
Agree of the software release cycle. Why can't Apple do a tick tock release on software like the olden Snow Leopard of iOS 12 days? Just do a new feature releases and fine tuning releases every other year, taking turns. Who cares about the version number anyway at this point? Besides, it would be silly once we reach a high number version.
What I’m concerned about this idea is, more time =/= better results. What they need is someone capable of challenging the mass and break the stalemate. People said Steve Jobs were notorious to work with, but at the same time, that arrogance and condescending attitude pushes Controversial decisions throughout Apple. I don’t think we have that type of people in Apple anymore.
Stage Manager should’ve never existed on macOS, period. The fact that Apple spending precious developer and designer time reinventing yet another flavor of wheel (and a worse one) to do the multitasking on macOS baffles me.
Might take some time before all the issues are fixed. Hopefully each update improves something.
Just ask Microsoft. They’ve been trying to make Windows touch-friendly since Windows Vista and still haven’t gotten it right. Vista was released in 2006. 16 years later, they still can’t make it touch friendly. One of the major reasons why they can’t get it to work is third party apps. App developers will make their apps for the desktop, not a touch device, so even if Microsoft could make a halfway decent touch OS, the apps remain touch hostile.
This is why Apple has separate OS’es. One is touch-centric while the other is pointer-centric. Craig F said repeatedly that they won’t put macOS on iPads because it simply isn’t touch friendly.
Why is that strange? Stage Manager is still a touch-optimized system on the main iPad screen. it only requires a pointing device for external monitor support (which is obvious since you can’t touch a monitor). Touch is not a precise pointer. They artificially create overlaps so that touch works. Imagine the frustration if you can’t touch the app behind the front-most app. Remember that no keyboard is needed for SM either on the main screen, so you can’t even alt-tab.
SM moves apps around so enough is exposed on the back-most apps to allow a user to touch it easily to bring it to the front,