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Demo. models on tables without cases. You never know if people purposely scratched them but if they did the regular 12's you know they did the pros also. No pros had damage though.

but if you have in a case it mostly likely get damaged.
 
And I respectfully disagree. My only wish is that the stainless steel were brushed to better hide scratches but of course, then you don’t get the gloss or perhaps the color range that Apple has now.

As others have said already, steel is a mainstay in watches and jewellery for a reason and was part of the reason the iPhone 4’s design was as popular as it was.

I’m pleased that Apple decided to go with steel again for the 12’s. Maybe they change it up again for the 13’s.
 
Lol, guys, it's just an opinion on the phone design. Some of you getting super defensive as if I am attacking your buying decisions. The thread is "stainless steel sucks" not "the iPhone 12 pro sucks and you suck for buying one" :rolleyes:
 
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It's sad but Apple knows stainless sucks, but do it anyway because they needed a way to differentiate the Pro line and make it look more premium, regardless of how ugly it looks in daily use.
 
if I hear the phrase “fingerprint magnet” I’m going to smash someone’s aluminum iphone 12 into the ground

who seriously cares about fingerprints? Everything we touch on a daily basis gets fingerprints! Besides, when your phone is in your pocket momentarily and you’re moving around—it actually comes out pretty clean when you pull it out.
 
Honestly, I wish Apple would go with titanium or brushed stainless steel like the iPhone 4. I don’t like how delicate and smudgy stainless steel is.

However, I honestly just wish Apple stuck with aluminum. They do it really well and it’s so much lighter. I just want a true midnight black iPhone Pro. The current black iPhone 12 is basically it, but the graphite iPhone Pro is not.
 
While some who might be are 3 feet tall, and weigh 40 pounds may say it’s extremely heavy, but a grown person will never use the word extremely. It might be heavier than the aluminum, but to use the word extremely is way out there and not accurate. Wow, the words that some throw around is unbelievable.

Well, isn't heavy a matter of comparison too? Let's take a bike as an example, I'm sure probably the majority of us can lift a bike, but certainly there are some that are heavier than others, thus when you pick one that in comparison is heavier you say: it's really heavy! Not really sure why it's so hard to comprehend
 
Strength to weight ratio

Aluminum has a tensile strength of 276 MPa and a density of 2.81gcm-3. Aluminum is, therefore, lighter than steel. Stainless steel has a tensile strength of 505 MPa and a density of 8 gcm-3. Stainless steel is, therefore, stronger than aluminum.
It would be good if you actually quoted the correct MPa for the correct alloy used rather than disingenuously picking a softer alloy for your example. 7075 that Apple use in iPhones and watches has a tensile strength of 570MPa. If it only had 276MPa like you suggest, it wouldn’t be good enough for many of its chosen applications, especially aircraft! The deflection on both materials is roughly the same. This is obviously a subject where you’ve just badly googled an answer.
 
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Well, I can said quoted from bikes parts because I can shave about 900 grams on my mountain bikes after I swap entire group set with higher end one which is dominantly made from aluminum, the rest are magnesium and titanium for bolts.

I may nut, but I had carry 3 smartphones on my hydration pack while riding (personal, given from workplace one, and another is for logging my ride with Garmin Connect) and additional iPod 6th gen for keep me pumping during high interval. Those entire gadget almost total in 1 kg, because one of them is android phablet, so yeah why I am prefer lighter gadget if possible.

But I measure iPhone 12 is around 160 grams with stainless steel frame, so I think it's fine. I am prefer for myself smartphone should not exceed 200 grams. Add screen protector and case can easily surpass 250 grams.
 
I bought the Gold iP12PM because I‘ll eventually pass it on to my wife, and she loves golden iDevices.
However, I must admit, the gold finish got me now, too. I find it extremely nice to look at.
I don‘t consider it „blingy“, it just looks great.
 
It would be good if you actually quoted the correct MPa for the correct alloy used rather than disingenuously picking a softer alloy for your example. 7075 that Apple use in iPhones and watches has a tensile strength of 570MPa. If it only had 276MPa like you suggest, it wouldn’t be good enough for many of its chosen applications, especially aircraft! The deflection on both materials is roughly the same. This is obviously a subject where you’ve just badly googled an answer.
You basically googled types of aluminum then called out someone for searching. Aluminum and stainless is not the same. That’s just basic science.
 
Okay but how much weight could you save by removing the steel on a big device like the 12 Pro Max? With the bigger components would it really by that much?
And would the weight from the larger components make the phone more damage prone when dropped? If you look at the YouTube drop tests you can clearly see how the softer aluminum gets bent easier.
 
Ehh, the aluminum products dent like a warm stick of butter.

My Apple Watch 3 was aluminum and it showed every single impact mark. My Apple Watch 5 is stainless steel and there's not a mark on it, and I've banged it on more things than I can count. I can't speak to the phones because I always keep mine in a case.

Honestly, I'd prefer plastic...you can throw a GameBoy across the room and still pick it up and play Wario. I used to just throw my Nokia and Sanyo and Samsung phones in my book bag and go, but I have to be super conscious about where I set my iPhone (like, I have to set a napkin on the table to set my phone on because I'm that worried about it
 
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You basically googled types of aluminum then called out someone for searching. Aluminum and stainless is not the same. That’s just basic science.
I doubled checked in my Sapa handbook as despite being a mechanical engineer, even I don’t remember the megapascal rates of all steels and alloys. I do know how to interpret the data though.

Of course stainless steel and aluminium is not the same but the person I quoted gave a much lower MPa for some generic alloy rather than the high grade 7075 that Apple use. That in disingenuous to say the least because had they quoted the correct tensile strength, it works out roughly the same as surgical grade stainless, hence why it is used by Apple for the same application.

If you feel you can dispute what I am saying then please do so with more than a sentence like ‘that’s just basic science’. I am all ears.
 
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I doubled checked in my Sapa handbook as despite being a mechanical engineer, even I don’t remember the megapascal rates of all steels and alloys. I do know how to interpret the data though.

Of course stainless steel and aluminium is not the same but the person I quoted gave a much lower MPa for some generic alloy rather than the high grade 7075 that Apple use. That in disingenuous to say the least because had they quoted the correct tensile strength, it works out roughly the same as surgical grade stainless, hence why it is used by Apple for the same application.

If you feel you can dispute what I am saying then please do so with more than a sentence like ‘that’s just basic science’. I am all ears.
Stainless steel is more desirably and stronger than aluminum. Doesn’t matter what tensil strength apple Uses. Doesn’t matter what your sappy handbook says. I can link hundreds of research and data between aluminum and steel but that’s useless. You just want to argue something that has proven to be false for no reason other than to justify buying the cheap phone.
 
Well, isn't heavy a matter of comparison too? Let's take a bike as an example, I'm sure probably the majority of us can lift a bike, but certainly there are some that are heavier than others, thus when you pick one that in comparison is heavier you say: it's really heavy! Not really sure why it's so hard to comprehend

Well it depends on the particular item. We are talking about a smartphone. A lot of people have reported that the 12 Pro is heavy for a smartphone. We know it’s because of the stainless.

My experience is I did get the 12 Pro on launch and FOR ME it was too heavy for a smartphone. I decided to get a 12 and give the 12 Pro to my wife because people reported the 12 was lighter and a good weight for a smartphone.

After using the 12 I have to say it’s definitely a better experience to use it compared to the 12 Pro because of the weight. Everyone experience is different but I wasn’t concerned about which has the strongest metal because I use a case anyway. So even if I liked the shiny stainless it wouldn’t have mattered because I rock my iPhones in a case.

There’s about an ounce difference between the 12 and the 12 Pro which I would have never thought the weight would make a difference TO ME but it did.

So it’s not necessarily about which metal is stronger or better UNLESS you’re rocking your iPhone naked you might want the strongest metal.

So the issue is if you’re rocking your iPhone in a case the metal doesn’t necessarily matter because it’s protected anyway.

How many people are going caseless?
 
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