iPhone 12 Pro Stainless steel sucks and I wish Apple would ditch it

[biracialfamily91]

I’m not sure where cheap came into this thread. The iPhone 12 is $800. That’s anything but cheap. We were paying that for the flagship phones 3-4 years ago. Things have changed since then but you get my point.

My other point is, are the 12 Pros really that heavy? I don’t notice much of a difference really. I got adjusted to the weight fairly quickly. My opinion I prefer the the Stainless Steal vs the aluminum. Makes it look really premium.

 

[Madtiger27]

What because I asked you to explain your link?

You claimed earlier in the thread 7075 aluminium has a tensile strength of 276MPa lol. The link you’ve posted backs up the response I gave to you. I think you’ve tied yourself up in knots and don’t actually understand the data you are providing. I agree it is rather funny

Just making a fool of your self-proclaimed “expertise” is all the fun i can afford today. My link is self-explanatory and pretty damn clear IMHO...maybe ask someone else to interpret it for you.

Have a good weekend dude. I am out of this thread.

 

[Madtiger27]

I’m not sure where cheap came into this thread. The iPhone 12 is $800. That’s anything but cheap. We were paying that for the flagship phones 3-4 years ago. Things have changed since then but you get my point.

My other point is, are the 12 Pros really that heavy? I don’t notice much of a difference really. I got adjusted to the weight fairly quickly. My opinion I prefer the the Stainless Steal vs the aluminum. Makes it look really premium.

Here ya go:

12 Pro = 189 g.

12 = 164 g.

Difference = 25 g = 0.88 ounces = 0.055 pounds.

Add in extra camera lens and LIDAR stuff...and the SS material itself difference is less than 0.88 ounces.

An “AA” battery weighs around 25 g. I only need ONE hand to carry one AA battery...but then again, i do work out...so, there’s that.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Just making a fool of your self-proclaimed “expertise” is all the fun i can afford today. My link is self-explanatory and pretty damn clear IMHO...maybe ask someone else to interpret it for you.

Have a good weekend dude. I am out of this thread.

Saying the link is self explanatory is your way of ducking out of the conversation and relieving yourself of the burden of exposing the fact you don’t understand the individual mechanical elements of the materials. I’m not asking someone else to ‘interpret it’ for me because I already understand it. I was asking you, because I believe you don’t but insinuate you do. Wise of you to leave the thread, all the best .

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

I’m not sure where cheap came into this thread. The iPhone 12 is $800. That’s anything but cheap. We were paying that for the flagship phones 3-4 years ago. Things have changed since then but you get my point.

None of the 12 series are cheap, it was just one poster trying to stir things up because they ran out of sensible things to say. Cost is less of an issue this year with devices being close in both performance and retail price.

 

[freeagent]

There is no way 7075 is going to be as strong as 304. Lighter yes but no where near as strong. Tensile test is just a pull test. Throw both of them in a fire and see what happens.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

There is no way 7075 is going to be as strong as 304. Lighter yes but no where near as strong. Tensile test is just a pull test. Throw both of them in a fire and see what happens.

Stainless is harder and naturally ‘stronger’ but 7075 series aluminium has a fairly high tensile strength also. I don’t know why some people feel strength is needed in a device that shouldn’t experience conditions requiring strength though? Are you really going to put 1000daN of force through your mobile phone? Stainless is harder so will resist dents when being dropped but it also transfers energy during impacts to internal components whereas aluminium tends to absorb energy. Aluminium is better for heat distribution too which is why it’s used in hot electrical applications and aircraft design.

There have been some rather hilarious and nonsensical statements in this thread so far with my personal favourite highlighting that the melting point of aluminium is much lower than surgical grade stainless steel. Very handy knowledge for when you decide to heat your iPhone 12 to 470C lol

 

[freeagent]

Aluminum is/was strong enough for me. My 5S in my pocket did bend from heat using a plasma cutter daily, but my 7 was ok.. so best keep them away from heat maybe. I appreciate the weight of aluminum. If I drop my phone I have ac+. I have dropped my phone plenty of times lol, been lucky.

 

[Lwii2boo]

I have read the whole thread and I'm really surprised about the very poor intelligence of some people.
Thanks The-Real-Deal82 to share your views on SS / Al while keeping it very clear and simple.
Ironically, the most pretentious people here are those with no logic or open mind at all, and some even compare Al on iPhone with Al on coke can or say SS is better because it's on the most expansive model. This is Z-tier logic.
Like there is only one Aluminium grade and of course SS is not marketing-driven to put something on the Pro line ?

On top of that, I would be curious to see in what extend the "Pro" is more durable because even if we assume SS is very slightly more resistant, the Pro is over 15% heavier which worse for drop resistance.

And C. Robert learn to listen other and stop saying things you just don't understand at all, some people give you facts and you take any potential drawback of your "Pro" Phone as a personal insult. Be factual and not a marketing sheep.
The Pro iPhone is a good phone ofc like the regular one but, SS is not an objective advantage since it comes down to personal preferences. Don't be fooled by random marketing...

 

[CandyCane23049]

Coming from an X to a 12 Pro, I don’t understand the Pro is so heavy. I have a case and screen protector on and it feels fine to me.

If anything in general I feel like phones now are too light for me. Sometimes I can’t feel my phone in my pocket and when I hold it in my hand. I can hold it in one hand if I choose to.

 

[ToddH]

Again, I say iPhones are not heavy!!! I read complaints about added weight, the phone is too heavy, etc! Really???? Would a plastic iPhone suit you complainers better. Y’all suffer from Wussatosis I think. Stainless steel, there’s nothing better for the iPhone than tat. I remember when the 6 plus came out, it was aluminum and that iPhone bent in peoples pockets. Myself, I like a heavy phone, it feels more valuable and well made. The 12 pro max that I have is amazing and actually weighs a little less than the 11 pro max did.

so I strongly disagree that stainless steel needs to be replaced by something else.

 

[Phone Junky]

I remember when the 6 plus came out, it was aluminum and that iPhone bent in peoples pockets.

Totally irrelevant. It you've seen any videos of the new iPhones, none of them are easily bent including the aluminum ones.

 

[macher]

I have read the whole thread and I'm really surprised about the very poor intelligence of some people.
Thanks The-Real-Deal82 to share your views on SS / Al while keeping it very clear and simple.
Ironically, the most pretentious people here are those with no logic or open mind at all, and some even compare Al on iPhone with Al on coke can or say SS is better because it's on the most expansive model. This is Z-tier logic.
Like there is only one Aluminium grade and of course SS is not marketing-driven to put something on the Pro line ?

On top of that, I would be curious to see in what extend the "Pro" is more durable because even if we assume SS is very slightly more resistant, the Pro is over 15% heavier which worse for drop resistance.

And C. Robert learn to listen other and stop saying things you just don't understand at all, some people give you facts and you take any potential drawback of your "Pro" Phone as a personal insult. Be factual and not a marketing sheep.
The Pro iPhone is a good phone ofc like the regular one but, SS is not an objective advantage since it comes down to personal preferences. Don't be fooled by random marketing...

It’s a personal preference. What may feel heavy to me might not be heavy to you.

I got the 12 Pro delivered on launch. The 1st thing I noticed was the weight. Ok I figured this is the way it is I guess I’ll have to get used to it. I’m mostly a 1 handed user and the 12P felt too heavy and was taxing on my pinky shelf and the weight in my work pants cell phone pocket. Ok I’ll get used to it. Then I was reading here how people were having the similar issues and tried the 12 and the weight was perfect. I didn’t believe it because who would think that an ounce would make a difference.

I really wanted to keep the 12P because I want and always had the latest and greatest iPhone. I said one day ‘what the heck, I’ll try the 12 and if it doesn’t work out I’ll return it’. I was amazed about the initial weight difference. I even let our son handle the 12P and he’s 6’3” big hands and a big boy and his into all reaction was ‘damn it’s too heavy’. I then let him handle the 12 and he said ‘this is more like it.’ I felt the exact same way. I started using the 12 with resistance because I hated the fact that I didn’t have the 12P. But I’m telling you after a week I gave the 12P to my wife cause she needed an upgrade and she’s a 2 handed user and kept the 12. Who would think that a dang almost an ounce would make a difference but it did for ME.

My phone is in a case so having the stainless exposed is irrelevant anyway. Also being in a case the aluminum sides of my 12 are protected so that’s also irrelevant.

Depends what floats your boat. But to say that the 12 is inferior because of it not having SS is a joke lol.

And NO deciding to keep the 12 wasn’t based on price because the 12P with the AT&T trade in deal only costs $6.67 a month.

 

[ToddH]

Totally irrelevant. It you've seen any videos of the new iPhones, none of them are easily bent including the aluminum ones.

My point was that stainless is and always be better than aluminum...

 

[macher]

My point was that stainless is and always be better than aluminum...

Depends on what the metal is being used on / for.

For me aluminum on my 12 is better because it’s lighter and it’s in a case to begin with. If I was going case-less then a different story. I use a bumper case with a clear back as well as a glass screen protector so my iPhone is protected anyway. On the other hand if you use a case where the SS is exposed then a different story maybe or maybe not.

If you’re iPhone is in a case that protects all the sides why would you care?

 

[Lwii2boo]

My point was that stainless is and always be better than aluminum...

It's total nonsense. You reasonnate like an uneducated consumer manipulated by B2C marketing.
It's 2 different materials with different properties for different use cases. In some cases aluminium is way better than SS and in others SS is way more suited.
It's like saying beef is ALWAYS > chicken because beef is on average more expansive. Take a coffee man.

 

[freeagent]

And what cases would those be?

 

[Apple_Robert]

If Apple offered polished steel in the mini, I would have gotten that. Reminds me of my 4s.

 

[jeyf]

i dont know wa to do; both stailess steel & aluminum DONT match my furniture

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

My point was that stainless is and always be better than aluminum...

Better for what?

The aluminium used in the iPhone 6 wasn’t the same type of aluminium now used in the iPhone 12 though. I could explain once again about grades and the fact phone designs change but that might be a bit much for some.

 

[Never mind]

You do know that we buy the stainless steel version for other reasons as well, such as 6 GB of memory, telephoto lens, LiDAR sensor, color option, 4X optical zoom, 512 gb memory capacity, 800 nits, Night mode portraits, etc

 

[NotApplicable]

I’ll trust Apple’s materials scientists over forum warrior “engineers” any day. There’s a reason stainless is used in Apple’s more premium iDevices, and it’s not exclusively for marketability.

It’s idiotic to imply that, on the one hand, Apple chooses a material strictly for marketability on product A and, on the other hand, chooses a material for its ideal physical properties on product B. Both are marketable, both have desirable physical characteristics. Any decision is a tradeoff. One allows for a lower price point, either due to raw materials costs, manufacturing costs, or economies of scale. That same one absolutely deforms easier during drops, despite less weight. Some consider the less weight a benefit nonetheless. Some consider its finish (not necessarily a direct implication of the material) a benefit as well.

In any case, the logic behind Apple’s decision about which materials to use for which device is based on significantly more reasoning, research, testing, and evidence than anyone here has the capacity to refute, and I’m certain that sales/profits/CSat will validate this.

 

[BB8]

I’ll trust Apple’s materials scientists over forum warrior “engineers” any day. There’s a reason stainless is used in Apple’s more premium iDevices, and it’s not exclusively for marketability.

It’s idiotic to imply that, on the one hand, Apple chooses a material strictly for marketability on product A and, on the other hand, chooses a material for its ideal physical properties on product B. Both are marketable, both have desirable physical characteristics. Any decision is a tradeoff. One allows for a lower price point, either due to raw materials costs, manufacturing costs, or economies of scale. That same one absolutely deforms easier during drops, despite less weight. Some consider the less weight a benefit nonetheless. Some consider its finish (not necessarily a direct implication of the material) a benefit as well.

In any case, the logic behind Apple’s decision about which materials to use for which device is based on significantly more reasoning, research, testing, and evidence than anyone here has the capacity to refute, and I’m certain that sales/profits/CSat will validate this.

What a completely ridiculous post. With this logic, you might as well never criticize Apple's decisions because they do so much research and testing, surely they know better than us. The whole point of this thread is to discuss the tradeoffs of stainless steel and aluminum.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Better for what?

The aluminium used in the iPhone 6 wasn’t the same type of aluminium now used in the iPhone 12 though. I could explain once again about grades and the fact phone designs change but that might be a bit much for some.

The thread is only discussing one aspect though. I’m sure we have all chosen certain iPhones for different reasons that may or may not be relevant to other people. We’re lucky this year Apple have made all iPhones so similar, it’s a buyers market.

 

[Bacong]

What a completely ridiculous post. With this logic, you might as well never criticize Apple's decisions because they do so much research and testing, surely they know better than us. The whole point of this thread is to discuss the tradeoffs of stainless steel and aluminum.

i think that post is directed at people who think these types of decisions are frivolous and/or not thought about, which is demonstrably false. they made the decisions they made for reasons they justified internally.