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Steer Clear from 2011 MBPs?

13" base model here - it is comfortably warm on my lap when I have quite a few windows with Flash on Safari open along with other programs.

Under load, the machine doesn't crash, and I barely even notice a speed decrease!
 
spazma7ik said:
I'd tend to agree with your sentiments, however I have seen numerous articles on Google News regarding the exact same issues. I do believe you when you say it's the best machine you've owned, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the issues I brought forth aren't rampant with your machine as well. My 2010 MBP has no such issues, matter of fact, no issues whatsoever, so it's not exactly farfetched to only accept an upgrade that lives up to these same standards.
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I have both, a 2010 & 2011 MBP.

I bought the newest model to replace the 2010, which has been excellent & trouble free. The best of all the MBP's I've owned.

The 2011 not so much, so I'm keeping the 2010.

I'm choosing not to share any specifics, since I've noticed there is too much risk here when speaking truthfully. (angry attacks, parsing of words, needless criticism, etc)

Free speech & honest conversations are better off unsaid.
 
X2468 said:
I have both, a 2010 & 2011 MBP.

I bought the newest model to replace the 2010, which has been excellent & trouble free. The best of all the MBP's I've owned.

The 2011 not so much, so I'm keeping the 2010.

I'm choosing not to share any specifics, since I've noticed there is too much risk here when speaking truthfully. (angry attacks, parsing of words, needless criticism, etc)

Free speech & honest conversations are better off unsaid.
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Please spare us the passive aggressive banter. The previous posts are just saying that forums tend to highlight negative posts. Truthfully, I love my MBP and would recommend it to anyone. I just don't post it everywhere. Negative posts just tend to be more numerous.
 
MBP 15 2.2 here; heat not much of an issue. On battery my CPU idles in the 30s (light web browsing, can probably go up to low mid 40s if there's a lot of flash involved), gpu idles low 30s. My old laptop, an ASUS, idles at 55/70 so it's a huge improvement in terms of heat.

Never experienced a freezing issue. I play SC2 on OSX (I know its not optimized but I don't want to install windows) and I get respectable frame rates and obviously some heat. More than 2010 model for sure, but that's expected :). I'd say 2010 would probably be 7X whereas mine goes to low to mid 80s for GPU.

No reason to avoid unless you've already got a 2010, in which case, that's already a fine computer anyways.
 
Hoe gawd. For anybody who pee's in their pants at the slightest bit of contrary, if your chit works why replace it? Just stick to your 2010 models if you're scared, your piece of equipment is obviously soo much better in your little world of existence so stay there.

For the rest of us. Sandy Bridge will touch your mother in places she's never been touch before.

And if you've been to Sandy Bridge and decide to stick with the 2010 model, superb. You don't need the latest and greatest, period. Don't care what you do for a living. Cause Handbrake will break you.
 
Andrmgic said:
10.6.7 fixed the freezing issues for a lot of people.

It does get hot, but you've got a quad core in the same enclosure a dual core used to go into.. it's only natural that there's going to be more heat.
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The number of cores is irrelevant. The additional heat is from a 45w TDP processor installed in the same space as a 35w TDP processor. Every previous MBP has had a 35w (or less) TDP processor. This new model with a 45w processor is a first for Apple. It's the highest wattage processor they've ever installed in a notebook. Hopefully the next iteration has beefier heatsinks or something.
 
Waiting is wise

I have a 2010 15 i5 mbp also and felt the upgrade bug bite also , but with Ivy bridge Lion and usb 3.0 probable I think it's wise to wait.
I have a feeling the late 2011 early 2012 mbp will be a significant upgrade.
Just my opinion thou.
 
mactactic said:
I have a 2010 15 i5 mbp also and felt the upgrade bug bite also , but with Ivy bridge Lion and usb 3.0 probable I think it's wise to wait.
I have a feeling the late 2011 early 2012 mbp will be a significant upgrade.
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Thunderbolt eliminates any need for USB 3.0. If you really want to use a USB3 device you'll be able to do it on a 2011 unit soon.
 
brentsg said:
Thunderbolt eliminates any need for USB 3.0. If you really want to use a USB3 device you'll be able to do it on a 2011 unit soon.
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Yeah to bad there are no thunderbolt peripherals readily available till late 2011 :rolleyes:
usb 3.0 is backward compatible with 2.0 saving money on new connectors
PRICELESS :D
 
mactactic said:
Yeah to bad there are no thunderbolt peripherals readily available till late 2011 :rolleyes:
usb 3.0 is backward compatible with 2.0 saving money on new connectors
PRICELESS :D
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You obviously aren't in a hurry for USB3 if you're willing to wait for a year. You can serve USB3 from the Thunderbolt port, and that will be available LONG before you see a MacBook Pro with a USB3 port. It's not even a certainty that you'll ever see that.

Nice that you could toss in an eyeroll and a priceless.
 
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Interestingly, my new 2.3GHz 15" runs cooler temp wise and is much cooler when on my lap than my old early '08 pre-unibody. This is a meeaannnnn machine. Its killing starcraft II.

The 5400rpm is slow though, that needs upgrading.
 
velocityg4 said:
What I wonder is if the issue is due to too much thermal paste? Which apple likes to put on with a fire hose rather than a pipette. I know my good ole Macbook ran much cooler with the fan spinning far less when I reapplied the paste.
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People have been discussing the removal and re-application of the paste in https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1105643/ It would also stand to reason that the higher power requirements for the CPU & GPU would increase the heat. The 2720QM @45W compared to the 620M @ 35W is a 28.6% increase. The GPU GT330M has a thermal design power (TPD) of 75W compared to the AMD 6750 with a TPD of 30W. This is a 60% reduction in TPD. Which would indicate less heat generated by the GPU during 'normal' operation. But most people (myself included) have seen higher temperatures due to the CPU (in my case).

But overall, after upgrading to my 17" 2011, It has been the best laptop I've ever owned. I would recommend upgrading as your needs require. If you are happy with the 2010 and it meets your needs, keep it. Just my thoughts.
 
OP, if I was in your position I wouldn't even consider it, but I also have no idea what kind of use you get out of your MBP. If you think you need the performance gains, go for it...but as others have posted, there are many good reasons to wait for the next revision.
 
Works perfectly

Just wanted to chime in. Currently running a 2011 2.0 15inch MPB and from day one this thing runs marvelously. Didn't have any of the overheating issues, freezing under load or related problems.

Idle temps around 35c
Under load 80cish

Couldn't be happier

Final Hour
 
X2468 said:
I have both, a 2010 & 2011 MBP.

I bought the newest model to replace the 2010, which has been excellent & trouble free. The best of all the MBP's I've owned.

The 2011 not so much, so I'm keeping the 2010.

I'm choosing not to share any specifics, since I've noticed there is too much risk here when speaking truthfully. (angry attacks, parsing of words, needless criticism, etc)

Free speech & honest conversations are better off unsaid.
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You thought this would get less criticism? Are you so fragile that a post from a stranger on an internet forum who might not like what you said is going to hurt you in some tangible way?

If you are having issues, put on your big kid underpants and speak up about them. You may actually get some help with the issues. You can always ignore the riff-raff.

For the OP, I adore my 2011 machine. If I could marry it, I would. Keep in mind that I went from a 2007 to a 2011, of course. But I've had no performance issues whatsoever.
 
87am said:
Its a forum. People complain and vent way more then they randomly post how satisfied they are. The 2011 Pro is the best computer I have ever owned. If there were all these widespread horror stories you would hear about it from places besides here.
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I'm not so sure about that.

If a Windows user has a beef they rage about their experience and turn on the brand, and then buy from a different manufacturer in the future.

Apple is indeed a cult. I'm throughly convinced that there are a significant percentage of Apple users who would lie to their own family members to cover up a failing on their machine and defend Apple as "the best".
 
Don't own a 2011, but my old MBP was first-gen intel, and it had a lot more issues in the beginning than the 2011 seems to have. Apple resolved the issues pretty well I think. They replaced my battery twice, once because of recall, once because it went completely flat much sooner than its cycle count suggested. Also my fans had issue, as well as logic board. If Apple feels that there is a hardware issue (not able to be solved with os/efi updates) they may do a proactive recall, or extend your warranty - they did that for me, they gave me 3 year applecare as a "thank you for being patient with us" goodwill.:)
 
2.3GHz 15" no problems. No overheating, freezing, etc. Anyone who thinks this machine runs warm never had the first Intel 15" MBP. This machine is a refrigerator compared to that one. I didn't have a 2010 machine, but it runs cooler than a 2009 MBP I had.
 
You are very Lucky

You are very lucky to have found someone to buy your 2010 Macbook Pro. I still have my late 2010, 2.66 i7 and its only 5 months old and in New mint condition and I can't find anyone to buy it. I bought the 2.2 i7 and its now being sent in for a graphics card issue. Severe tearing and distortion in the upper top of the screen. :(
 
bcaslis said:
2.3GHz 15" no problems. No overheating, freezing, etc. Anyone who thinks this machine runs warm never had the first Intel 15" MBP. This machine is a refrigerator compared to that one. I didn't have a 2010 machine, but it runs cooler than a 2009 MBP I had.
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That heat issue is what caused the fan breakdown I mentioned a few posts ago. Apple has really worked a miracle with heat management since then, imagine the quad-core chip on the first-gen MBP! That would start fires! :eek::eek:
 
Chiming in...15" 2.2ghz with Anti Glare and the 500GB 7200 RPM drive. No issues here. Best computer I've ever owned.
 
My 2011 15" MBP runs fairly cool under normal loads. As others noted, it warms up under heavy loads (large compiles/builds, video encoding), but has never frozen up on me, even before the 10.6.7 update. :apple:
 
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