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Steve Jobs at Apple Town Hall Meeting, Google, Adobe, Next iPhone, 2010 Macs and More

the law suit from 1997 was the reason why microsoft bought some apple shares. they had no say in what apple did. here and here (couldnt find anything official but they seem to know their stuff).

this from wiki:
1997 Microsoft bought a US$150 million non-voting share of the company as a result of a court settlement with Apple. Perhaps more significantly, Microsoft simultaneously announced its continued support for Mac versions of its office suite, Microsoft Office, and soon created a Macintosh Business Unit.
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ungraphic said:
Yeah, backing up is the only reason why i'd want one right now, but other than that, i dont see the point in spending 200 dollars on the burner, and then like 10-20 bucks per disc. 50gb is a lot of data. I'd probably make two copies of each disc *just in case* its like putting all your eggs into one basket. To lose 50gb of stuff from a single disc would probably make me cry.

Thanks in advance about the search! :)
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if you can make do with the DVDs for the mean time then its a kind of waste. my ps3 rips BD movies for me (hacked with linux) so i dont need to watch them directly on my macs. BD burners arent that costly, maybe around $150US arent they? here in australia its a bit more :(

ps. thats for the official stuff gibbz!
 
So basicly same standard BS from Apple blaming others for what it blocks when there is not a current working alternative out.

When apple dump the floppy it was before it was ready and they dumped it to soon. At the time the floppy was dump there was no way to move a small file between computers with out it. USB flash drives did not exist, burners were still very expensive and Email did not allow attachments (or at least free email did not). That should tell you something. Yes we all knew floppy was on its way out but there was no working replacement yet.

Flash is now. There is no working replacement yet. You can claim HTML 5 all you want but it only works on 2 of the smallest broswers. It does not work on the 2 biggest browsers (IE and Firefox). Someone else already pointed out there is no standard for movies formate played in HTML5. Apple and google are going with h.254 codex and Firefox is going with an open source codex (aka free). Google and apple are not going that way and choosing to pay the licensing fees for h.254. HTML5 will not be an official standard for years to come.

Blue ray-- What the hell is all I have to say. Sounds like apple is being Apple and saying we are right everyone else is wrong. Sorry but blu ray is out working. If you have a problem with the software WRITE YOUR OWN DAMN CODE. you tend to shove that on everyone else saying if you want to compete write your own code. Apple lead the way in putting DVD drives on computer. Hell they lead the way for CD burners. They were among the first to put burners on low end computers. Now with Bluray they are falling behind the times because I want to say we already have bluray burners appearing in computers and apple still does not support bluray.
 
coolfactor said:
Whoever said the green button was to "maximize"? Sure, it is inconsistent from application to application, but there's two basic modes -- "zoom" and "maximize", again depending on the application. There's very little point in maximizing a window if the content of that window doesn't require the full screen, hence the "zoom" mode expands the window just large enough to see the full width of the content. In some apps, holding down the option key while pressing the green button will do a maximize. However, in Mail.app, it seems that the maximize behavior is default. The idea of zoom was good. Too bad they can't get it to be consistent from app to app.
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Thats what it needs, consistency. I know that if a window doesnt require itself from being stretched to full screen it only maximizes as much as it needs to, but seriously, i need organization, I *HATE* having a mess of windows all at various sizes at various positions. Its clutter and an eyesore, especially for someone who uses his mac for WORK.

It should be the same function for all applications across the board:

click once to maximize to FULL screen and align it as full screen. click second time to go back to previous state. Microsoft got it right, why cant Apple?

Anyway, for now I use Right Zoom, its a small background application that fixes the problem for most applications:

http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/30591
 
levitynyc said:
Jobs is right about flash. Whenever a browser crashes on my Macbook, its because of flash.

Steve was surprisingly open here. I'm surprised. I can't wait to see what they have up their sleeve this year.

My favorite thing about the Droids is that users always claim they are either as good, or better than an iPhone, and can't name one thing it does better.
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Umm...Multitasking? Flash support? Removable battery? Keyboard?
 
johny5 said:
"- Next iPhone coming is an A+ update"

Sorry, I dont get it? why are people hyped up about an "A+" update?
Is this an american term as I have never heard of anything being described in this way other than at college?
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Next iPhone = 3gsA+?

Personally I'm thinking it'll be a 3gst and require payment of an actual Apple tax on goods and services.
 
ungraphic said:
doesnt bill gates/microsoft own a large percentage of apples stock rendering the companys decisions somewhat limiting? somebody correct me on this, but ive had friends tell me microsoft owns a large chunk of apples stock so they cant do whatever they like.

either way though, no matter what apple is making, its peanuts compared to microsoft.
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Yah, don't believe your uninformed "friends". They are just repeating a repeated rumour that was never true to begin with. Irregardless, Apple has already transformed into a powerhouse far more powerful than Microsoft in so many ways. Just watch the new few years to see just how powerful. Remember the iPhone and Balmer's comments on it? That was nothing.
 
If Steve says it's so ...

Everyone says we should just end the discussion (or whining) about missing flash support but I think otherwise.

Are we just supposed to wait about 5 years that html5 kicks off and every single site has implemented it on their site?

If Steve is so worried about stability why won't he allow other browsers or just flash plugin installations via Appstore. If flash crashes the iPhone or iPad people will always have the opportunity to uninstall it.

And please get real Steve. This is not about crashes. This is about Hulu.

One could easily say that you don't have to buy an iPad if you don't like it. Well that is true and that's what I am trying to encourage here. If iPad won't sell enough, Steve and Apple are forced to do something about this. People, vote with your wallets! :)
 
DoFoT9 said:
the law suit from 1997 was the reason why microsoft bought some apple shares. they had no say in what apple did. here and here (couldnt find anything official but they seem to know their stuff).

this from wiki:




if you can make do with the DVDs for the mean time then its a kind of waste. my ps3 rips BD movies for me (hacked with linux) so i dont need to watch them directly on my macs. BD burners arent that costly, maybe around $150US arent they? here in australia its a bit more :(

ps. thats for the official stuff gibbz!
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Thanks!

its about 200 dollard CAD after taxes for a good bluray burner. i had some interest in an LG burner but not so much anymore. blank DVDs are quite cheap, so i'll continue using those for the time being. ill make the switch once it becomes somewhat mainstream.
 
ungraphic said:
doesnt bill gates/microsoft own a large percentage of apples stock rendering the companys decisions somewhat limiting? somebody correct me on this, but ive had friends tell me microsoft owns a large chunk of apples stock so they cant do whatever they like.

either way though, no matter what apple is making, its peanuts compared to microsoft.
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Microsoft never had any control of Apple. The $150 million of stock they had a few years ago was non-voting stock, it wasn't a large percentage of Apple and they sold it a long time ago. Tell your friends that they are wrong.

As for what Apple is making compared to Microsoft, it's not "peanuts".

http://www.microsoft.com/msft/earnings/FY09/earn_rel_q4_09.mspx

For the fiscal year ended June 30, 2009, Microsoft reported revenue of $58.44 billion, a 3% decline from the prior year.
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Considering that Apple made more than $50 billion in 2009, I don't see how it could be considered peanuts compared to Microsoft.
 
ungraphic said:
doesnt bill gates/microsoft own a large percentage of apples stock rendering the companys decisions somewhat limiting? somebody correct me on this, but ive had friends tell me microsoft owns a large chunk of apples stock so they cant do whatever they like.
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Not this again...no, it's not true. Microsoft owns no Apple stock, and even when they did (years ago), it was only $150 million in non-voting shares.

Edit: meh, should have posted this a few seconds earlier. ;)

--Eric
 
That is what I like to see Stevie boy hit them where it hurts.

Google has some very evil practices this day and don't believe in talking to people they do business with...

Adobe is lazy and that is why flash sucks.

Steve is 100% on the money here.
 
ungraphic said:
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all good :) even when M$ had the shares they didnt have any control over what apple did.

its about 200 dollard CAD after taxes for a good bluray burner. i had some interest in an LG burner but not so much anymore. blank DVDs are quite cheap, so i'll continue using those for the time being. ill make the switch once it becomes somewhat mainstream.
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same sort of situation here in australia. we are so far behind :(
 
ungraphic said:
I dont remember the last time my computer crashed, froze or firefox crashed due to flash. I have a mac pro. Is it only me that thinks this whole flash debacle is greatly exaggerated?

Anyway, if he says that macs are going to be taken to the next level, im expecting some crossfire capability for ATI cards, garbage collection for SSD drives and a fix on the green button in the finder and other applications as it does NOT properly maximize windows.
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akm3 said:
Umm...Multitasking? Flash support? Removable battery? Keyboard?
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Multitasking - The screen is not big enough to be able to do 2 things at once anyway.

Flash Support - Have you ever run flash on a droid? Its awful. The dropdown menus barely work.

Removable Battery - The iPhone battery lasts longer plus less than 1 % of all cell phone users carry backup batteries.

Keyboard - I can type fast on my iPhone than most people can type on their 2 inch keyboard on a droid based phone.
 
johny5 said:
"- Next iPhone coming is an A+ update"

Sorry, I dont get it? why are people hyped up about an "A+" update?
Is this an american term as I have never heard of anything being described in this way other than at college?
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If you are serious, the term "A+" is analogous to the grade in school. So if something is really good, people describe it as "A+"
 
Chaos123x said:
Does anyone see why the investors booted him out of his own company the first time?
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Ummm... because they wanted to knock the share price down (to the point where everyone was predicting the demise of Apple) so they could scoop up shares cheaply before bringing him back in and watching the share price soar due to his insanely great leadership?
 
coolfactor said:
Yah, don't believe your uninformed "friends". They are just repeating a repeated rumour that was never true to begin with. Irregardless, Apple has already transformed into a powerhouse far more powerful than Microsoft in so many ways. Just watch the new few years to see just how powerful. Remember the iPhone and Balmer's comments on it? That was nothing.
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I just wish they released something useful instead of crap like the iPad. I'm still waiting on garbage collection in OS X for SSD drives, thats my #1 thing on my expectancy list from apple, its the only thing stopping me from getting a solid state hard drive as my boot disk, im tired of my loud, hot and slow 2x250gb RAID0 setup (well, slow compared to SSD).

Theres been a lot of talk about apple discontinuing the mac pro line, which has me worried, because if that happens i think im gonna go the hackintosh way unless apple releases a headless imac. I want my choice of massive ram upgrades, my own non-tn panel display, dual video cards and crossfire under windows whenever i do play some games.
 
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