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Steve Jobs Confirms Discontinuation of iWeb in iCloud Transition
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I know HTML but edoates has the idea. I won't be looking for an alternate hosting solution for my iWeb site but I am disappointed. Bascially, I created a very simple blog, for mainly photos and such, to compliment Twitter. Though it could be used as a replacement for those who don't want to use Twitter or Facebook but still want to share photos and some content with friends and family. iWeb is extremely simple -- both use and output -- and quick, however, it does get the job done for those who don't need an elaborate site. Yeah, I could code it myself but iWeb only took a few second to a couple of minutes to make an entry, depending on length.
One more thing... All of those stating the solution is simply to find another host.. Yes and no. Without updates, who knows just how nice it will place with newer iLife and OS X versions, plus the lack of supporting new web standards could become an issue - as so many browsers move to better support HTML5 and so on. It isn't always feasible to continue using an outdate / unsupported product amongst newer ones, it sometimes requires putting a stop to upgrading everything, which also isn't always feasible.
In conclusion, users will eventually need to move away from iWeb, whether they find an alternative to the MobileMe hosting or not.
P.S. For the intent of iWeb, it isn't reasonable to suggest users go out and purchase a sophisticated WYSIWYG like Dreamweaver as it is extreme overkill. And I personally find those programs to be overpriced in the first place anyway. But that's my opinion and we can leave it there.
P.P.S. As far as killing off iDVD... It's because Apple has moved its concentration to the online sharing avenues, implying they consider DVDs mostly extinct or getting there, at least.
I am sure you're right.. With iWeb - Apple has made it very easy and accessible to create a semi-professional looking websites. Just like they made it easy & accessible to do semi-professional movie editing with iMovie, photo editing with iPhone/Aperture, etc.
But the point I am making is - Apple no longer cares about web publishing because vast majority of Apple's customers don't need it. Web publishing is no longer "the way" to share and publish content for average consumer - that had long ago moved to Facebook, Blogspot, Flickr, Picasa, and other "social media" oriented providers.
When Apple invented iWeb - it served as a great alternative to Geocities and the like.. You do remember Geocities, don't you?. But the time of people maintaining their personal websites is long gone. Sure if you are small business with a need to maintain a simple web presence - iWeb provides a good value.. without getting into a realm of more professional (and more expensive) web publishing tools. But the reality is - Apple just doesn't care about that segment of the market any more. And they don't want to keep investing in what they view as a dead end product. Hence, the death of iWeb.
I love iWeb, I'm not techy, so it works fine for me, it's clean and simple, and that's what I get from my clients, I've seen your website, very nice and easy to browse they say, and I've got a lot of work because of it. I'm in the building trade, i take videos as the job progresses, make a iMovie and drag it into iWeb, and publish, voila.
Sometimes you geeks want to much, busy complicated websites, no thanks.
Sometimes you geeks want to much, busy complicated websites, no thanks.
Sorry dude, it was legit', I posted the headers or weren't you paying attention
Calling me 'uncouth' doesn't make your post less moronic or less childish in the least. You're absolutely dillusional, and it's a damn relief that Apple doesn't cater their products and business strategy to rabid customers such as yourself. They would have been driven into the ground a long time ago. Time for SJ to leave? He only lead a company on the verge of bankruptcy and irrelevancy to one of the most successful (if not THE most successful) on the planet, having record quarter after record quarter, and has had the vision to create products hundreds of millions of people use and love. For you to demand his ouster because of the discontinuation of a niche product hardly anyone uses is not only absurd, without perspective, and childishly petty, its absolutely insane. What 'loyalty'? Apple doesn't personally owe you a ****ing thing. They're giving you AMPLE time to transition to something else. If this, to you, is an example of customers being SCREWED, then God forbid you deal with other companies where this is actually a common reality. Do you know how many companies have experimented with products and services that were discontinued shortly after? It's reality.
Apple saw that a very tiny percentage of its users were using the product, and decided the time/money for further maintenance can better be spent elsewhere in a manner that benefits more users. Web-publishing simply isnt the way most people share info anymore- they do it through social networking sites- and the ones that need an actualy website have much better tools at their disposal. You sound like an imputent child, with laughable requests. SJ will be with Apple as long as he is physically able to, because that is what the vast majority of sane, rational people want. Get some ****ing perspective.
PS- I find it very difficult to believe that you've invested significant money in iWeb. How much did you pay for iWeb itself? Does it not come free with new macs, or is part of a suite of other programs that cost a grand total of $79? No web designer/developer worth his salt would actually charge you for creating/maintaining an iWeb site. So where's this massive investment coming from? My guess is its simply sensationalism on your part, to support your pathetic rant. Squarespace, Weebly, Wordpress,etc.. I'm sure you can find a template and whip up a site very similar to your current one with relatively little effort, which you'll be able to edit and maintain with any web-browser. You can get a good looking starting point in MINUTES. iWeb doesn't have any functionality that web-editors lack.
Link us to your site, so we be enlightened with the massive undertaking this transition will entail.
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I use iWeb and I'm sorry to see it go. It's served its purpose for me really well, I was able to teach myself to use it fairly easily, and I've been able to create and maintain several sites with it, hosted with my mobileme account, which I use for mail, idisk, everything online basically.
I have no desire (or time!) to learn anything more complex, and have no need for anything with greater capabilties, the sites I created with iWeb do what I need them to do.
So count me among the customers who are disappointed.
I have no desire (or time!) to learn anything more complex, and have no need for anything with greater capabilties, the sites I created with iWeb do what I need them to do.
So count me among the customers who are disappointed.
I'm another one of those that hates to see iWeb go. I'm fairly busy with my job and family, but I enjoy writing a web comic on the side. With all of the integration, it is simple and quick for me to take a comic from Comic Life 2, export it to iWeb, and have it posted to my site with just a few simple clicks. If/When I have to switch to another web authoring application, I'm sure it won't have the integration with Comic Life, and then I'll have to upload it to another unconnected web host. I can see the entire process taking quite a bit longer in the future.
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A few well done and placed images, maybe little Javascript and CSS, and an efficient design go a long way over tons and tons of flashy -- yes, you can take that as a pun -- animations and excessive interactive content.
P.S. There is only one exception... Something just displaying a movie trailer or otherwise showing a video.
P.P.S. Another big help for Flash was simply better Internet speed availability. How fortunate for Adobe.
Just wanted to throw in a small rant. I'm not even referring to iDevices here... But those web developers who do entire sites of Flash need to be smacked upside the head a few dozen times. "Oh, it's so awesome looking!' Okay, however, compatibility issues, definite performance problems -- it has gotten noticeably better but Flash was a hog that can't even walk it eats so much (CPU cycles) that improvements have simply made it actually usable -- and loading times are annoying.Sometimes you geeks want to much, busy complicated websites, no thanks.
A few well done and placed images, maybe little Javascript and CSS, and an efficient design go a long way over tons and tons of flashy -- yes, you can take that as a pun -- animations and excessive interactive content.
P.S. There is only one exception... Something just displaying a movie trailer or otherwise showing a video.
P.P.S. Another big help for Flash was simply better Internet speed availability. How fortunate for Adobe.
Exactly to which part did Steve Jobs allegedly say 'Yup' too...
(1) that iWeb will be discontinued
(2) the hosting service will be discontinued
(3) that having to change sucks
Even if this is a bona fide reply from Steve Jobs himself, I don't think we can say this is 'confirmation' that iWeb is going to be discontinued. Neither does this rule out that there won't be a replacement for iWeb.
(1) that iWeb will be discontinued
(2) the hosting service will be discontinued
(3) that having to change sucks
Even if this is a bona fide reply from Steve Jobs himself, I don't think we can say this is 'confirmation' that iWeb is going to be discontinued. Neither does this rule out that there won't be a replacement for iWeb.
It's amazing. All steve said is a single word and you're all going crazy over it. Love it. I'll bet steve is viewing these forums as i type this getting a real laugh at it all. I would if i were him anyway.
IWeb will come back in ICloud
IWeb I'm guessing will comeback in iCloud looking something like a WYSIWYG FaceBook page but not with the stupid childish membership.
IWeb always was really bad, since it did not support meta tags. If you don't use meta tags your web pages will not rank high in Google Search. Also, the directory structure in the iWeb pages is horrid! Spiders have a horrible time crawling them.
Ask yourself why would Apple kick iWeb users to the curb? Apple wants as many users as they can get. Users equal possible customers for other things they sell. Also, there is a advertising war going on out there. FaceBook is getting a LOT of visitor time now. That equals huge ad money. Apple in the future may go more into web page advertising. If they host millions of pages that they designed, it is easier to add ads on those pages if the owners want to split the revenue.
Some form of iWeb in the correct format and on the right platform is a huge money maker for Apple.
Makes zero sense why they would kill peoples iWeb page$/hosting. I'm betting some form of it will be on the Cloud with enhancements and meta tags.
IWeb I'm guessing will comeback in iCloud looking something like a WYSIWYG FaceBook page but not with the stupid childish membership.
IWeb always was really bad, since it did not support meta tags. If you don't use meta tags your web pages will not rank high in Google Search. Also, the directory structure in the iWeb pages is horrid! Spiders have a horrible time crawling them.
Ask yourself why would Apple kick iWeb users to the curb? Apple wants as many users as they can get. Users equal possible customers for other things they sell. Also, there is a advertising war going on out there. FaceBook is getting a LOT of visitor time now. That equals huge ad money. Apple in the future may go more into web page advertising. If they host millions of pages that they designed, it is easier to add ads on those pages if the owners want to split the revenue.
Some form of iWeb in the correct format and on the right platform is a huge money maker for Apple.
Makes zero sense why they would kill peoples iWeb page$/hosting. I'm betting some form of it will be on the Cloud with enhancements and meta tags.
Exactly. How much effort would it have taken him for a quick "suck it up or spit it out"?
Ummm, why? "Made on a Mac with lousy markup" may disappear, but there's still BBEdit, Coda, and (if you really must) Dreamweaver, among others.Seems like the websites with the logo "Made on a Mac" are soon going to disappear
I've been using iWeb for years. For the past 4 years, I've used iWeb to supplement my online D&D game; the blog and photo galleries are second to none, regarding ease of use.
Before iWeb, I used GoLive (the Adobe app and Cyberstudio). Before that, I used PageMill and FrontPage for Mac.
Given this turn of events, I have been playing around with a combination of WordPress for blogging and Flickr for photo galleries. WordPress supposedly has a way to import RSS feeds (iWeb blogs) but I cannot get it to import more than 5 entries. At any rate, now I have to use two apps instead of one.
And I will not touch Twitter with a ten-meter cattle prod.
Before iWeb, I used GoLive (the Adobe app and Cyberstudio). Before that, I used PageMill and FrontPage for Mac.
Given this turn of events, I have been playing around with a combination of WordPress for blogging and Flickr for photo galleries. WordPress supposedly has a way to import RSS feeds (iWeb blogs) but I cannot get it to import more than 5 entries. At any rate, now I have to use two apps instead of one.
And I will not touch Twitter with a ten-meter cattle prod.
iweb is perfect for my needs. I use it for family photos/videos using the photo templates. It's better than the Gallery because I can add notes/context and it will apparently last longer than the Gallery.
If iWeb fails to work with Lion and such, I will probably switch to sandvox, but I won't have to worry about that for a long time because my photo system won't run Lion (core duo).
If iWeb fails to work with Lion and such, I will probably switch to sandvox, but I won't have to worry about that for a long time because my photo system won't run Lion (core duo).
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Seems like the websites with the logo "Made on a Mac" are soon going to disappear
oh well...
You're all acting as though iWeb is now worthless. You can still use iWeb to push sites anywhere you want. You don't have to host with Apple. It's not that big of a deal, also I would love to see a percentage on how many Mobile Me customers actually host with Apple.
Uh, no. I have iWeb sites that rank #1 in Google searches. Meta tags are so 1990s.
And, while the native structure isn't quite as spider friendly as it could be, there are some very simple steps to make it much more so. As with everything, it takes knowing something about what you're doing...
You're right. One of the main things that I always look for as value in an application, though, is the prospect of continued support. Right now, I'm not yet impressed with what else is out there. (I tried using Sandvox to build a close copy of one of the sites that I use iWeb for right now, and became so frustrated so fast at what it wouldn't let me do, I trashed it immediately. While I haven't tried using it yet, watching the screen vids of Flux makes it look like an amazingly sluggish system - you have to always remember to manually update your navigation bar on each of your pages? Really?) So, I'm still looking for something that will coax me away from iWeb, but haven't found it yet. If need be, I may start looking at one of the higher-end packages...