I guess we will find out if iWeb will exist in future versions of iLife. I suspect that it would be dropped. As I am not at a Mac at work, can you get iWeb from the Mac App Store?
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Steve Jobs Confirms Discontinuation of iWeb in iCloud Transition
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I guess we will find out if iWeb will exist in future versions of iLife. I suspect that it would be dropped. As I am not at a Mac at work, can you get iWeb from the Mac App Store?
I too like using iWeb, really easy. Lot's of people in our Apple User Group http://www.acd.us/ find RapidWeaver as a great environment and alternative.
I'll just rehost my iWeb pages to another site when the time comes. I will miss the galleries. I think iCloud will replace all of my other needs for MobileMe.
Cute, but that's not from Jobs. He's obsessed with his iPad now and has stopped replying from the iPhone.
A fake, in other words.
As for iWeb being discontinued, well there's no info on that now - but odds are of course it will not be supported or maintained with the next version of iLife, seeing as iCloud won't be supporting web-publishing and seeing as iWeb didn't get an upgrade in the last iLife.
Though it does suck, because people pay good money for the iLife apps and iWeb can well function without dotMac/mobileMe - though Apple tried its darndest to make them annoying to use (the iLife apps) unless you had an account at the iTunes Store and subscribed to mobileMe/dotMac.
iWeb still published to a folder and publishing the folder to your hosting service of choice through FTP or SSH was easy enough (or would have been if the Finder of 2011 supported FTP writing haha .. it is still read only)
iWeb will go the way of FrontRow, iDVD and Rosetta. Steve's email reply in the first post was a fake, but it is no secret Steve Jobs doesn't care much for things like this.
Use resources...
There are plenty of good templates to get you started within Dreamweaver. If you are still having trouble, message me and I'll point you to a few places (mostly free) that'll easily get you off the ground.
I'd post the places here but I don't want to get removed for advertising for someone else.
There are plenty of good templates to get you started within Dreamweaver. If you are still having trouble, message me and I'll point you to a few places (mostly free) that'll easily get you off the ground.
I'd post the places here but I don't want to get removed for advertising for someone else.
Yeah, because you get a much more prompt, courteous and elaborate response when you write a woe-is-me email about possibly having to learn to use some other $12 software to all the other CEOs in the Fortune 500 who would deign to answer.
Let's summarize: the guy is very ill, on medical leave, is extremely busy nonetheless, takes the time to look at what must be 1000 emails a day, and you're upset about a curt response? Sense of entitlement much?
I love how people focus on Steve's response and totally ignore how much of a jerk the original sender was.
The guy pretty much came out and said that the product "sucked" but Steve is the one who had the "attitude".
And, honestly, how does responding "Yep" somehow equate to a rude response? He was clearly on his iPhone and he answered the question - should he write a novel or something? I bet several people in this thread have responded similarly in these situations.
Please, people.
Actually the quote is "the thought of re-training sucks more than mobileme ever did" - so the sender isn't actually saying MobileMe sucks per se, rather that the thought of re-training sucks more than MobileMe.
I think you should also consider that MobileMe has been widely reported to be described in negative terms even by Jobs himself, so even if we assume the sender was implying that MobileMe sucked, this is something Jobs apparently agrees with - a position also supported by Apple feeling the need to replace so many aspects of it under the iCloud banner.
See https://www.macrumors.com/2011/05/07/steve-jobs-reaction-to-mobileme-launch-and-other-anecdotes/
To me, the reference to MobileMe sucking is in reference to that. If Jobs himself apparently feels MobileMe was 'tarnishing Apple's reputation', I don't think we can judge too harshly someone emailing him to say how another action of Apple is more serious for them.
Assuming the email is genuine, 'yep, sorry' would have taken barely any more time to type in reply, and at least given some kind of sense of compassion for their plight.
Creative Destruction...
Not sure if you are "screwed," but you will have to do a bit of work. You have a right to to be annoyed, but once you transition you will probably see it is for the better.
iWeb is a bit of a lame duck stuck back in Web 1.0 were we have transitioned fully into web 2.0 about 5 years ago. If you look around you will quickly find that there are a lot of really good alternatives that you may find will add value to your company.
You can pay for proprietary services (e.g. Squarespace - which you can post/edit off of one of their iOS apps) which will give you more functioning that iWeb ever did.
You can use one of the Mirada of open source projects:
Many hosting services offer one click installs of wordpress, Joomila, drupal,etc. There are also many companies offering custom wordpress themes for businesses for very affordable prices (e.g. $50). Add $6/month for hosting and you are ready to go.
New world, yes. Screwed... your choice.
Not sure if you are "screwed," but you will have to do a bit of work. You have a right to to be annoyed, but once you transition you will probably see it is for the better.
iWeb is a bit of a lame duck stuck back in Web 1.0 were we have transitioned fully into web 2.0 about 5 years ago. If you look around you will quickly find that there are a lot of really good alternatives that you may find will add value to your company.
You can pay for proprietary services (e.g. Squarespace - which you can post/edit off of one of their iOS apps) which will give you more functioning that iWeb ever did.
You can use one of the Mirada of open source projects:
- Wordpress - A blogging web application, that can easily be turned into a business website. Instead of blog posts think news posts. Plus you have interactivity with your customers you can never have with a static
- Jooma - Similar to wordpress but intended for businesses/organizations
- Drupal - For large scale interactive sites, lots of power but requires lots of development (probably best to skip)
Many hosting services offer one click installs of wordpress, Joomila, drupal,etc. There are also many companies offering custom wordpress themes for businesses for very affordable prices (e.g. $50). Add $6/month for hosting and you are ready to go.
New world, yes. Screwed... your choice.
After seeing that the original questioner had "Is iWeb as dead as MobileMe" in Title line of his email - that is probably all Steve saw and replied to.
"Yep" is an okay response to that. Its not a great response to what was inside the email, but I doubt Steve even read that...he probably just read the Title question and answered the question.
For those folks worrying about your iWeb stuff, Apple won't make the application stop working (you'll still be able to use it, it should work fine in Lion) but it would seem future development of it is gone (not too surprising considering no update to it in iLife 11). If they stop offering paid web hosting as well then you'd just need to retarget your website FTP push (which isn't hard, supposedly) and keep using iWeb - that is what I'll do.
There is still alot to be figured out - Steve's response probably applied to future iWeb development (the application) and may not have applied to website hosting (it would seem odd for Apple not to continue to offer web hosting for $$$ (not free) in iCloud (I doubt it costs them much and they get some nice PR benefit from it), but we'll have to wait to see for that).
"Yep" is an okay response to that. Its not a great response to what was inside the email, but I doubt Steve even read that...he probably just read the Title question and answered the question.
For those folks worrying about your iWeb stuff, Apple won't make the application stop working (you'll still be able to use it, it should work fine in Lion) but it would seem future development of it is gone (not too surprising considering no update to it in iLife 11). If they stop offering paid web hosting as well then you'd just need to retarget your website FTP push (which isn't hard, supposedly) and keep using iWeb - that is what I'll do.
There is still alot to be figured out - Steve's response probably applied to future iWeb development (the application) and may not have applied to website hosting (it would seem odd for Apple not to continue to offer web hosting for $$$ (not free) in iCloud (I doubt it costs them much and they get some nice PR benefit from it), but we'll have to wait to see for that).
This is the first part of the big question, to me.
So far, Apple doesn't have the best track record, when it comes to web development software. Back in the day, one of the better web page development programs for the home user was Claris Homepage. When Apple folded the Claris products back into their portfolio, Homepage was the only one that was summarily discontinued with no real replacement offered. For a while, for those who were only after the simplest of websites, you could use HTML export from Pages, but that was discontinued. In that instance, however, Apple had already released a good, new web development tool: iWeb. The version 1 release had a lot going for it, even though it clearly had room to grow. Now, it's languished in stagnation for some time, and, it seems, is going to be terminated.
Will there be a replacement? Will we have to wait several years for it? Can Apple be trusted, even if there is a replacement, to stand by their web development software, or will the replacement get killed off in another few years, only to bring up these same questions all over again?
A couple people on here have suggested that Apple should sell off iWeb to a third party developer. I remember the same thing being said about Claris Homepage when it was announced that Apple didn't have any plans to continue to develop it...
For LESS money than you were paying for MobileMe, on GoDaddy you can get:
150 GB of space
UNLIMITED Websites with no Bandwidth caps
500 Email accounts
25 MySQL 1GB Databases
and more.
All for $83.85 a year instead of $99. That is if you commit for a year. If you commit for 3 years it is only $59.88 a year leaving you plenty of cash left over to pay for the iMatch service if you want that. This gives you a domain with your own name too if you are not currently forwarding to the MM space. I have 3 sites on MM and will be moving them all to GoDaddy. Just get a space there and point iWeb there instead of MM.
150 GB of space
UNLIMITED Websites with no Bandwidth caps
500 Email accounts
25 MySQL 1GB Databases
and more.
All for $83.85 a year instead of $99. That is if you commit for a year. If you commit for 3 years it is only $59.88 a year leaving you plenty of cash left over to pay for the iMatch service if you want that. This gives you a domain with your own name too if you are not currently forwarding to the MM space. I have 3 sites on MM and will be moving them all to GoDaddy. Just get a space there and point iWeb there instead of MM.
I think Steve's response was pretty civil considering the question the guy asked disses the service right off. "Re-training sucks more than mobileme ever did." still comes of as saying MM sucks too.
Eh... mixed feelings but I'm mostly ok with this ...
From the start, iWeb was really kind of a bad idea, at least from the perspective of allowing someone to learn about HTML and the proper way to build web sites. Sure, it was just meant to make pretty-looking and somewhat useful sites quickly, and it accomplishes that. But they all look a lot alike, so you can immediately tell when a site was done with iWeb, vs. some other product .... and you can't really go back in and make changes with a different tool once you start using iWeb either.
(I did some work for a guy once who had that predicament. He had a small business web site all put together with iWeb but decided he needed some new things added that were beyond the scope of what iWeb supported. The whole site had to be rebuilt in another product, copying over and re-using some of the image content to try to preserve the original look. He would have been a lot better off if iWeb was never used in the first place.)
I think the reality is, as the web has grown in size and complexity, the days of "personal home pages" are dying out. Rather than build a home page to post your photos and blog entries or stories, many people get more "mileage" out of creating a Facebook account and putting the stuff up there, or using a slew of other options out there (like Flickr for photo collections).
And for business purposes? You really want something that's more of a "web application" allowing dynamic changes (WordPress, for example, or a django-based site). The basic set of static pages you design in a tool like iWeb and upload just don't cut it anymore as professional or complex enough, compared to the competition.
From the start, iWeb was really kind of a bad idea, at least from the perspective of allowing someone to learn about HTML and the proper way to build web sites. Sure, it was just meant to make pretty-looking and somewhat useful sites quickly, and it accomplishes that. But they all look a lot alike, so you can immediately tell when a site was done with iWeb, vs. some other product .... and you can't really go back in and make changes with a different tool once you start using iWeb either.
(I did some work for a guy once who had that predicament. He had a small business web site all put together with iWeb but decided he needed some new things added that were beyond the scope of what iWeb supported. The whole site had to be rebuilt in another product, copying over and re-using some of the image content to try to preserve the original look. He would have been a lot better off if iWeb was never used in the first place.)
I think the reality is, as the web has grown in size and complexity, the days of "personal home pages" are dying out. Rather than build a home page to post your photos and blog entries or stories, many people get more "mileage" out of creating a Facebook account and putting the stuff up there, or using a slew of other options out there (like Flickr for photo collections).
And for business purposes? You really want something that's more of a "web application" allowing dynamic changes (WordPress, for example, or a django-based site). The basic set of static pages you design in a tool like iWeb and upload just don't cut it anymore as professional or complex enough, compared to the competition.
I've been waiting for a replacement or major update to iWeb for some time. Especially since there's this push for HTML5 development. Might as well have more WYSIWYG HTML tools for HTML5 and CSS3 creation. Right now, it's not even clear what tools allow you to do this half as well as Flash Development does for Flash. And I mean this just for the stuff HTML5 and CSS3 does.
iWeb could've definitely turned into that kind of project. Drag and Drop HTML5/CSS3 would be the killer simple-to-use app. Still, I guess that would require a major rewrite of iWeb to do it.
iWeb could've definitely turned into that kind of project. Drag and Drop HTML5/CSS3 would be the killer simple-to-use app. Still, I guess that would require a major rewrite of iWeb to do it.
Spot on, Blorzoga
+1
Or maybe he should've said, "Anything you get for free is worth about what you pay for it." [OOops!]
+1
Or maybe he should've said, "Anything you get for free is worth about what you pay for it." [OOops!]
Go to Apple's feedback site and ask to keep it:
http://www.apple.com/feedback/iweb.html
I put in a word or two about a mobile device "without the phone part", keeping the Mini, and updating the AppleTV - Apple wants to know....
http://www.apple.com/feedback/iweb.html
I put in a word or two about a mobile device "without the phone part", keeping the Mini, and updating the AppleTV - Apple wants to know....
If I had to take a day to convert a website over suddenly all those "savings" for switching to a cheaper web host would be lost as my time would be worth far more them the price difference the Moblie Me suite cost (in whole) over other providers. Time actually is money and it's what made the "suck" that is iWeb well worth it.
Steve Jobs doesn't have the time to sugar coat answers for you. And the expectations that some people here have that Steve Jobs as the CEO of Apple should not only personally reply to their questions but also be friendly, forthcoming and explaining about his replies is just a joke.
Don't hold your breath for an "iWeb replacement", not from Apple anyway. if you paid any attention to Apple over the last couple of years, and most recent WWDC in particular.. Apple's strategy is pretty clear. They see the "future" in the native iOS and MacOS apps, tied together by an invisible iCloud. Apple is simply not interested in browser interfaces and web-based applications - they are happy to leave that to Google.
It is only natural to conclude from that - Apple no longer has any interest in web publishing or web hosting. It doesn't help them sell hardware.. it doesn't fit their iCloud vision.. it doesn't fit their "native app" vision.
iWeb as an website creation software will continue to exist for a while. iWeb as a website hosting platform is dead. The sooner people realize that, and start moving to (infinite number of) alternative tools and hosting providers - the better off they will be.
Maybe, but iWeb was simple, and I have a me.com account already. So when it all goes to iCloud, I will probably have that account (that I will pay for), and looks like I'll need yet another online place to do stuff like SIMPLE web presence.
iWeb made creating reasonably good looking pages really easy, it was integrated with the hosting service - easy to put up photo galleries, simple blogs, etc. If I were a business, sure, I'd want a more sophisticated solution. But iWeb was part of the whole Mac experience for me.
Apple keeps providing nifty little things (homepage before this), and then dumping them after they get used. Oh, well, that' show biz.