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I liked the book that Isaacson wrote, but having written the book does not make him an expert. Sometimes I wish that Walter Isaacson would ****. He's not some guru. Tim Cook has been really good. How do we know that Tim Cook hasn't became a product person in the last nearly 8 years as CEO? FYI... The book "Becoming Steve Jobs" is much better than Isaacson's book.
 
Why weren’t they fair to put in the book but they’re fair to say now?

Edit: actually it was in the book. So this is really a non-story.

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Apparently, his editor didn't oblige him.
 
Tim Cook, on the other hand has deferred to his experts, knowing that designing and engineering products is not his expertise. And Apple has flourished under his tenure.

Agree with almost everything, except Tim Cook is also very poor in hiring people with talents. John Browett and Angela as example. He is also caught on this diversity hiring.....
 
Few know "the Real Reasons" that Apple is in the Mess that it's in.

Those who have Read & Analyzed the Steve Jobs bio by Walter Isaacson should (easily) be able to figure some of it out.

Start with the (type of) Board that Jobs put in place for "his" benefit years ago.

For some UN-known reason, to-date, (even) Isaacson has NOT picked up on it !
 
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Steve being a product person while running the company is arguably the exception rather than the norm.

And he had other blind spots instead, some of which Tim doesn't have.

Does Apple currently lack a good products guy near the top? Maybe. But it doesn't follow that Tim is a poor CEO, which seems to be the argument that Isaacson is making (if Isaacson is really saying anything at all other than "hey guys remember my book?").
I still think Elon Musk is the biggest nerd when it comes to his company. He talks about everything like he knows it inside and out and is excited about it. Tim tries to come off with excitement but we all know the difference between someone good with sales and someone passionate about their products.
Elon and Steve would of been good friends im not sure why they never partnered together on a project.
 
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The question remains: If Cook didn't embody Jobs' product sensibilities—and products are what define Apple—who did Jobs think would? Ive? Forstall?

I still have this lingering idea that Jobs didn't care if Apple had a future after him. His legacy was what mattered to him.
 
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Tim Cook ruined Apple. Apple is a product company, it need more revolutionary product to survive. I agree that Tim Cook make Apple the most profitable company, but that doesn’t last long if there aren’t more revolutionary product being launched.
Ruined is hyperbolic, but I understand different strokes for different folks.
 
everyone KNOWS Tim isn't a computer guy/product guy. It's so obvious it doesn't require mentioning. No big revelation there.
From a consumer's standpoint it makes no difference- just so long as someone in charge over there is.
From a designer's standpoint who works over there, it could be frustrating if nobody with authority has a clue where to go next (which now may be the case)
 
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The ceo doesn’t have to be a product person. He or she simply needs to be able to manage things. Besides be careful what you wish for.

The notion that someone else can come in, be a product guy and have a Steve Jobs aura about him is far fetched. There’s too many sharks at top to allow that kind of thing now.

Yep. Bean counters in a company (and publicly traded ownership) can make it hard to be innovative unless you have that certain and inimitable credibility of a founder or co-founder, or their direct blessing. There's fiduciary responsibility and then there's acknowledgment of what has made a company great in the first place (and that's never primarily about ability to count beans even if that chore is key to keeping the lights on in the place).

Cook has doubtless known how Steve Jobs assessed other key creative people in the shop when they ran it together. He may or may not have agreed, and one could reasonably question whether Cook ever had the design chops to validate his own assessments of designers. However, an astute manager can tell who's an innovator and who's a wannabe after awhile, who's a team contributor and who's running a self-elevation agenda. Also, if Tim Cook did figure Steve Jobs had his key employees pegged right, it's still true that both people and circumstances -- markets, the competition, the backdrop for new products-- have changed over the time since Cook became CEO. And then and not least there's the matter of how other key employees or now former employees viewed Cook's ascendancy and how that has affected their interactions and Apple as a whole.

Going forward, who knows how Cook and some of those other relied-upon senior employees will manage to nurture in-house talent or seek it from outside. Good design of hardware and software and in particular their integration all seem pretty much in the DNA of Apple by now though, so I'd expect that to color their search whenever they go outside Apple for new hires.

By that I mean the bean counters may prevail in the end on some detail of a product, but not in the hiring process as related to assessment of ability to innovate and integrate design and functionality. So, I'd expect Apple has a good chance of continuing to attract good designers as well as good engineers.

As far as Isaacson's occasional piping up with some previously unpublished tidbit from his interviews with Jobs or others at Apple, I'd chalk half of that up to hoping to keep his book and name in front of readers and his publisher (or a publisher). Personally I enjoyed reading his bio of Steve Jobs but it's not like I read it with the level of attention I'd expend on some textbook for a college course, and I'm no fanatic about having my second-hand and third-hand understanding of Steve Jobs honed even more as time goes on.

Everything's a snapshot taken from a moving train when it comes to content of interviews included in biographies. If I were working for Tim Cook today maybe I'd have memorized Isaacson's book long before now. But as a consumer of Apple gear and an owner of a miniscule piece of Apple the company.... shrug.... "so Tim Cook's not a product person? Per the late Steve Jobs according to his biographer Walter Isaacson? Great. Please pass the salt and pepper."

For Isaacson to say now that Steve Jobs said at some moment in time that Tim Cook was not a product person, what the heck does that mean anyway. Steve Jobs was a lot of things including both creative and arrogant. Without Cook's understanding of product at the level of supply chain, Apple would have gone under while being run the way it was before they lured Cook away from Compaq. Steve Jobs knew Cook was worth his weight in gold. His saying anything dismissive about Cook was doubtless "Steve Jobs being Steve Jobs". His appointment of Cook as CEO, however, was Steve Jobs looking after Apple's future. He wasn't picking a bean counter, and that's not what Cook is.
 
Tim has been a good leader in his own right with his commitment to privacy, ethics in big tech etc., but it is just telling when Scott Forstall, Steve Jobs, and Jony Ive all had the same issue with him. Jobs notwithstanding, Forstall and Ive left before the ship started sailing adrift

And what "issue" would that be?

And based on comments and reports, Ive was the one who was behind Forstall being let go.



Angela leaves, Jony leaves, and this stuff surfaces.
Bit of a reading the tea leaves but it looks like they're paving the road for Mr. Federighi's role as CEO.

Jeff Williams will likely be the next CEO.


Tim Cook ruined Apple. Apple is a product company, it need more revolutionary product to survive. I agree that Tim Cook make Apple the most profitable company, but that doesn’t last long if there aren’t more revolutionary product being launched.

Not like Ive hasn't had years to come up with another "revolutionary" product since the Apple Watch.

Maybe it's not so easy...
 
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Somewhat tangential, but if you have the time, it’s worth watching this talk on how ignorant and damaging Isaacson’s research of Steve Jobs’ cancer was:

 
Tim has been a good leader in his own right with his commitment to privacy, ethics in big tech etc., but it is just telling when Scott Forstall, Steve Jobs, and Jony Ive all had the same issue with him. Jobs notwithstanding, Forstall and Ive left before the ship started sailing adrift

I actually think that Ive is overrated, especially without Steve, and that Ive's decisions actually hindered Apple in some ways.

Steve&Ive was a great combination, Cook&Ive not so much. I think we will actually see Apple improving on design now, and it's not as if Ive is dead or unavailable.

People have predicted doom for Apple even before Steve died, and yet they really are doing great and still make great products. Their products were never perfect, and thinking that they were is just looking at the past through rose-colored glasses.
 
He also gave Tim Cook control of the company after outstanding performance. Cook was Apple’s highest paid executive.

This is purely an attention grab. Tim Cook was respected by Steve Jobs, almost to a fault. Jobs also called Cook a better negotiator than himself.

You don’t give a guy the company and pay him better than everyone else because you think he’s incapable. Cook has his strengths and weaknesses, just like Jobs. Cook has done a phenomenal job so the proof is right there in front of you.
 
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Angela leaves, Jony leaves, and this stuff surfaces.
Bit of a reading the tea leaves but it looks like they're paving the road for Mr. Federighi's role as CEO.

Federighi actually has an entertaining presence on stage, Cook seems robotic and forced and Jobs loved the opportunity to express his vision.

I hope you are right in your prediction.
 
Tim can clearly "do", as in build up a supply chain. I interpret Steve's comment as he can do, but not "create" (as is, he has no creativity).

I agree with what you are saying, it is not meant to be insulting or a contradiction. At least Cook knows what he is not, rather than trying to prove otherwise. Cook is a here to transition to a healthy balance sheet, the one who replaces him will have to be a visionary.
 
Waiting for Cook to say “This is absurd!” :p

Bean counting versus creativity.

Hopefully the new design team turns all the hardware messes and QC around, but I am not expecting much.

Not happy I have to be online to see what movies are on my iPad with this TV app. Defaulting to sports is bad enough. If anything pushes me out away from Apple now beyond faulty hardware and lowered QC, it’s the TV app, iOS and touch disease on the iPads. Oh well.
 
This guy comes out of the woodworks saying something stupid to sell a few books every year.
Product cycle decline, he needed to release an update for a boost in sales to continue the momentum before the product declines again.
 
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