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The only reason SJ is dissing 7" tablets is because he didnt come out with it first

Have you ever thought why Apple didn't bring out a 7" tablet in the first place? They pretty much re-invented the tablet market with the iPad and could have made it any size they wanted. Maybe they just plucked the size out of thin air, but maybe, just maybe, they did extensive testing and realized that the iPad's current size hits the sweet spot between physical size and usability for tablet style applications...

I initially wasn't convinced by the size of the iPad and thought a 7" tablet would be ideal, but after using the iPad I realized that Apple do know what they are doing and the iPad is the right size
 
So design the UI elements so they fit on 7" screen then. its not rocket science, android apps already have multiple sized UI elements for different screen sizes and resolutions..

The only reason SJ is dissing 7" tablets is because he didnt come out with it first

make this:

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usable on the device on the left:

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Forgive me, but I'm skeptical.
 
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So... If a 7 inch tablet is too small, how can an iPhone be big enough, Steve?

Now Winni, such an astute developer like yourself should know the HCI implications of the two design paradigms between the iPhone/iPT and the iPad.
 
I've attached a couple of images here which illustrate why a 7" iPad would not be ideal with current iPad apps. The first one (overlay) shows how much of a current iPad screen would be visible on a 7" iPad if the UI elements were kept the same size (the green bit would be visible on a 7" device). The second one shows the two screen sizes side-by-side with the whole UI shrunk to fit the 7" display
 

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Maybe its my imagination...

but most EVERYONE wanted a 7'' iPad... the 10" lovers were the less voiced opinion. NOW Steve says down with the 7'' and everyone is humping his slow boat to china...

No, the "10'' lovers" simply didn't care enough to post since they already had what they wanted.
 
No, the "10'' lovers" simply didn't care enough to post since they already had what they wanted.

Actually, a lot of people did post saying they were satisfied with the current size. Some even posted saying they wanted it larger. People who are saying the 7inchers were more vocal must have selective amnesia.
 
Steve must've heard some of the rumors - and he's shutting them up for good. I for one like the 9.7" form factor (as do so many others). I'm glad there will be no 7". Now, about that 4" iPhone.... :cool:

What?? We are talking about this on a sub-forum designed for talking about the ipad right? Something Steve himself said a few years ago he wasn't going to make. He shot down the idea for years of any form of Apple tablet but yet here it is. I'm not saying they are going to make one by any means but if you haven't figured it out by now, Apple doesn't talk about future products. They don't even speculate on the possibilities of them.
 
The thing is, I think Samsung, Dell and all the other emerging iPad competitors who have 5-7 inch devices privately agree with Steve Jobs. It's too small for a tablet with tablet-sized apps, and too big to fit in your pocket like the iPhone does. But they're in a bind, because they're reliant on Android, which isn't meant for tablets, and they have to keep the size below 7 inches if they want to qualify for Android Market. These companies are not like Apple; they're fine shipping something that's "not quite good enough" and hoping people won't notice.
 
What?? We are talking about this on a sub-forum designed for talking about the ipad right? Something Steve himself said a few years ago he wasn't going to make. He shot down the idea for years of any form of Apple tablet but yet here it is. I'm not saying they are going to make one by any means but if you haven't figured it out by now, Apple doesn't talk about future products. They don't even speculate on the possibilities of them.

I know Jobs said he wouldn't do a lot of things Apple eventually ended up doing (video iPod, ebooks), but I can't recall him ever saying Apple wouldn't make a tablet. What I remember him repeatedly insisting is Apple won't make a netbook. Which they still haven't, unless the new Air would qualify as one. Guess we'll find out!
 
NO, no, no! Don't use this as an excuse to trash iPhones!

The smaller screen works for iPhones because of the apps on it that work well in that size.

The 10" screen works well for iPads because of the specialized apps on it that work well in that size (and would not work as well on an iPhone).

What will the 7" tablets run? Blown-up phone apps that look ugly? Crunched down tablet apps that don't run touch very well because of the squeezing?

It would be fine if 7" tablets came out and then there was a dedicated development ecosystem that created apps specialized for the 7" screens. I'm sure the Android tablet makers are hoping for just that. Maybe that will happen. Steve Jobs bets it won't.

I don't bet against Steve Jobs.

A year from now when all the me-toos are switching to 10" and higher, those developers who dove into the 7" market are going to be pissed. Unless Steve Jobs is wrong about this.

I don't guess against Steve Jobs.

100% Agree, i dare the haterz to bet against SJ

:apple: for life
 
Is Steve dissing the iPhone and iPod as well since they are much smaller then a 10" tablet?

No. You see, unless you're a giant, it's damn friggin' hard to hold a 10" thing weighing almost 1 kg against your ear and make a call with it, and an Apple fanboi would have a hard time stuffing it into the pocket of his tight jeans.
 
I know Jobs said he wouldn't do a lot of things Apple eventually ended up doing (video iPod, ebooks), but I can't recall him ever saying Apple wouldn't make a tablet. What I remember him repeatedly insisting is Apple won't make a netbook. Which they still haven't, unless the new Air would qualify as one. Guess we'll find out!

That's also a good point. They could easily bust it out if later they felt it was appropriate.
 
headfuzz said:
My colleague's iPad is very nice, but all things considered is too big for my liking.

It all depends what you want a tablet for. Personally I want one that's portable, and by this I mean will fit in a coat pocket rather than having to carry a bag to keep it with you, is functional as an e-reader, internet browser and capable of playing music and games such as Scrabble.

A 7" tablet fits the bill in this regard. My iPhone and HTC Desire are ok for web browsing, Facebooking and so on while on the move, fit in my pocket and the iPhone is excellent at playing music (insert rant on no gapless mp3 playback on Android here), but they're too small to read text on for any length of time.

Something the size of a paperback is ideal because guess what? Paperbacks have been around for decades and are designed to be read by people on the move! The text is printed at a size that is easily read and it fits in your coat pocket! Amazing!

There is definitely a market for 7" tablets, regardless of what Steve wants you to believe.

Yup, a 7 inch tablet fits in a coat pocket, cargo pants, and all of the great places a novel is carried. I'm a SJ fan, but this line of reasoning is just BS.

Wow, what an incredibly articulate, structured rebuttal. "I'm a fan of Steve Jobs therefore all logical reasoning goes out of the window." I doff my cap to you sir, well and truly won.

On a serious note, I'm a Steve Jobs fan too, yet I am sensible enough to realise that he does drop the ball now and again, and furthermore that he sometimes bends the truth in order to keep shareholders happy or keep the competition guessing. He is an astoundingly astute businessman and for that I salute him.

If Apple don't wish to make a 7" tablet because they can foresee cannibalization of existing iPad and iPod Touch sales, that is a perfectly understandable argument; they have a business model they're happy with and wish to adhere to it. But he's stating that there is no market for 7" tablets when clearly there is, Amazon's 6" Kindle is entirely fit for purpose; give it the additional functionality of an iPad and you've got one amazing product. A portable, multifunctional product that does not require taking a bag around constantly to use. That iPad advert where the guy is on the back of a scooter with an iPad under his arm is risible. Nobody in their right mind would spend so much on a product and then risk dropping it while in transit like that. On the other hand a 7" version could be used to catch up on the morning's paper, or a chapter or 2 of a novel on the train or bus on the way to work, then popped in the pocket and used as an iPod on the walk between station and office. Or indeed the scooter rider in Apple's aforementioned advert could pop it in their inside coat pocket, pop the headphones in to hear voice instructions and use it as a sat nav to get about.

Saying that a 7" touchscreen is unusable when they produce a 3.5" odd touchscreen device running the same user interface is ludicrous. Millions upon millions of iPod Touch sales have shown us that the UI works just fine on a screen smaller than 10" and the device does not have to be a phone to justify huge sales.

That Apple do not wish to cannibalize sales of their existing products nor develop one that doesn't scale to exactly double it's original size as the iPhone/iPod Touch apps do on an iPad is a separate matter to whether there is a market for such a device. It's the same as the upgradeable headless Mac argument.

Lest we forget Steve also tried telling us that Firewire was not needed in the only generation of aluminium Macbook and what happened there? The very next refresh saw a virtually IDENTICAL product, rebranded as a 13" Macbook Pro, but with the addition of a Firewire 800 port.

He also said in January the Google TV give-them-another-set-top-box-on-top-of-the-free-one-they-already-have rental/subscription model was doomed to failure, yet here we are with a new model of :apple:TV that lo and behold is another set top box that operates on a rental/subscription model. Why? For the purpose of keeping up with the Schmidts? It seems illogical to badmouth a paradigm then go right ahead and conform to it.

He very very rarely admits he's wrong but is still only human. A very clever human, but a human nonetheless.

Just because Apple apparently aren't willing to produce a 7" tablet doesn't mean there isn't a market for one. Perhaps once we see some competition from established manufacturers, running newer versions of Android, who Google themselves admit is not currently optimised for tablets, rather than the current slew of products from tupenny generic Chinese factories we'll see a change in stance from Apple.

A bit of logical thinking instead of simply doing what you're told all the time goes a long way. But then, I guess it takes all sorts to make a world, including sheep. ;)
 
I've attached a couple of images here which illustrate why a 7" iPad would not be ideal with current iPad apps. The first one (overlay) shows how much of a current iPad screen would be visible on a 7" iPad if the UI elements were kept the same size (the green bit would be visible on a 7" device). The second one shows the two screen sizes side-by-side with the whole UI shrunk to fit the 7" display

Actually, the 7" mock-up looks more usable than I expected. Maybe not quite good enough for Jobs' perfectionist standards, but not total trash.

I do wonder how the landscape keyboard would feel on a 7" screen? The current keyboard is just under full size...
 
In fact, Apple not going with the idea of a 7" iPad makes me wonder if they are now preparing to change the shape of the 2G iPad slightly to accommodate 1280x768 resolution (along with a update to iOS to accommodate this).

Why 1280x768? Because 720p high definition video runs at a 1280x720 resolution. Since HD video downloads through the iTunes Store have 720p resolution, it would be perfect so videos bought through the iTunes Store can be copied through iTunes to the iPad and play on the iPad at its true native resolution.
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:confused: The iPhone is smaller than 7" and there's not much it can't do.

If clicking things is difficult on 7", it must really hard on on a 3.5 inch.

Difference is that iPhone is running apps that are designed for 3.5 inch screen. If you tried running apps designed for 10" screen on a 7" screen, it would get ugly really fast. Developers would have to design the apps for that screen, and that would make it harder for developers, and it would fragment the device-landscape.
 
I do wonder how the landscape keyboard would feel on a 7" screen? The current keyboard is just under full size...

It would be about the same width as the current iPad portrait Keyboard, which I find a strange size: A bit too big for comfortable thumb typing and a bit small (but not unusable) for normal typing

I personally think there is a market for a 7" device but feel it should be part of the iPod / iPhone family rather than the iPad family: a 7" (widescreen) device would be superb for watching movies or reading an e-book, but not so good with things like Pages, Numbers, and the apps that push the iPad UI to its limits. The problem then though is that the UI elements could well be too big!
 
MS promoted iPad?

the 65 inch can also be used similar to the Microsoft Surface touch.

That got me to thinking about how great of a job MS did with their touch surface product placement in TV shows such as CSI- LV - Miami & NY.

I think the placement greatly benefited Apple's iPad since no one can afford a big MS touch, but people were exposed to the "sexiness" of touch technology and a $499 iPad is well within most people's reach
 
Well bummer. I was hoping for the 7 inch Ipad with the accompaning lower price point.
Well, that wasn't gonna happen anyway. A smaller screen with the same resolution is only slightly cheaper. However, a smaller device has less room for electronics – which means smaller, more expensive parts. So a 7" iPad would be about the same price.

Remember sometime this year when Steve said "Good luck" to Google TV because folks are used to cable subscription?
Yes, I remember this. I also remember him explaining that this is why they don't make a full set-top box or TV set but a mere connection box called Apple TV.
Boom, months later, Apple TV was updated for $99.
No contradiction here.

Remember when he said netbook has lousy processing power & non-existent keyboard?
No, I don't remember this. I remember something about a inferior keyboard, which was what most netbooks did have at the time. I also remember him saying that this is why they need a different class of devices at this form factor.
Boom, shortly thereafter iPad was introduced.
No contradiction here.

Have you ever thought why Apple didn't bring out a 7" tablet in the first place? They pretty much re-invented the tablet market with the iPad and could have made it any size they wanted. Maybe they just plucked the size out of thin air, but maybe, just maybe, they did extensive testing and realized that the iPad's current size hits the sweet spot between physical size and usability for tablet style applications...
We're still talking about Apple, aren't we? Is there really the slightest doubt that they did test various sizes?
 
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