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Steve Jobs Criticizes 7-Inch Tablets, Says 10-Inches Minimum

Steve jobs huh ? So, technically, should post have been started in the 1990's ?

I like it though. Steve still has control from beyond the grave :)

But, things can turn in a different direction can't it ? Or regardless who steps in, Steve is/was *always right*...

I don't believe that would be the case... People are never always right 100% unless your some kind of robot cyborg ... :apple:

*shrugs* I just write the stuff... don't blame me :)

The whole "This is what Steve would have done" is getting old quick.... Life goes on. Its also what Tim would have done to :)

Go, the copycats.....
 
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shurcooL said:
Getting rid of FireWire in 2012 is absolutely the right thing to do.

I'm so happy it's finally gone with the Airs and Retina MBPs.
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So, what do you say when you have a camcorder which has fiirewire?

Its the reason why I went for the MBP non-retina just for this.
 
Anuba said:
Totally. That way, they ensured that musicians who have invested in $X,XXX and $XX,XXX audio interfaces that use firewire (because USB sucks for more than 2 in, 2 out) will be sticking with their old Macs until they disintegrate from age (the Macs, or the musicians). Happiness is definitely a word I associate with the removal of a port.
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LMAO.

Move on. They shouldn't have to support everything forever.
 
samcraig said:
So you're not going to answer the question about your signature. Got it.
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I will answer that for him. You are imagining you have a point. The fact he has a quote by jobs on his signature is meaningless; you can put a quote you like on your signature this doesn't mean at all you endorse everything the author of the quote has said or think everything will be meaningful forever. it would be an insane dumb way of thinking.
 
GizmoDVD said:
LMAO.

Move on. They shouldn't have to support everything forever.
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Right, you're the guy who gets sexually aroused by omission of features you don't use personally. You loooove it when Apple cuts off professionals, mmmmmm..... aahhhhhhhhh. Taking sadistic pleasure in such things is very normal. Not.

Firewire is Apple's own baby, nobody asked for it.
 
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Anuba said:
Right, you're the guy who gets sexually aroused by omission of features you don't use personally. You loooove it when Apple cuts off professionals, mmmmmm..... aahhhhhhhhh. Taking sadistic pleasure in such things is very normal. Not.

Firewire is Apple's own baby, nobody asked for it.
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Firewire is a dead technology. How long should they support it? Forever? Move on. Apple moved on to Thunderbolt. You should too.

LOL at "professionals".
 
GizmoDVD said:
Firewire is a dead technology. How long should they support it? Forever? Move on. Apple moved on to Thunderbolt. You should too.
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Me? It doesn't affect me at all, I have no firewire gear. I'm speaking out of consideration for other people. Probably an alien concept to you.

LOL at "professionals".
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Yeah, we know. Your envy is duly noted.
 
Anuba said:
Me? It doesn't affect me at all, I have no firewire gear. I'm speaking out of consideration for other people. Probably an alien concept to you.


Yeah, we know. Your envy is duly noted.
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Ok. So you are complaining about something that holds no bearing to you personally. WTF? Go enjoy your Floppies.

All those "professionals" making sick beats for their buddies on YouTube.
 
Carouser said:
And nobody was forced to buy it, either.
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Nope. But it became the industry standard for pro audio interfaces since USB2 is too slow, and anyone with a room full of Pro Tools or UA gear isn't going to replace it for another 5 years or so.
Nor are they bloody likely to use toy laptops like MBP 13" anyway, so no matter.
 
Anuba said:
Totally. That way, they ensured that musicians who have invested in $X,XXX and $XX,XXX audio interfaces that use firewire (because USB sucks for more than 2 in, 2 out) will be sticking with their old Macs until they disintegrate from age (the Macs, or the musicians). Happiness is definitely a word I associate with the removal of a port.
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Clearly those millions of people who spend $X,XXX and $XX,XXX on audio tech can afford a modern Retina MacBook with Thunderbolt but cannot afford to get a $XX ($29) Thunderbolt-to-FireWire adapter for it.

Because of those millions of people who still use FireWire port every day, apple should keep FireWire built in and screw the other 10 people like me who don't have a single FireWire device.

Thinking about it, they should've kept the CDROM and Floppy drives in MacBook Air too now. Damn, what a mistake it was to make those things available as optional external devices JUST for the few people who need them. :rolleyes:

Tech198 said:
So, what do you say when you have a camcorder which has fiirewire?

Its the reason why I went for the MBP non-retina just for this.
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I say you can buy a freaking $29 adapter.

I have a 13" MBP with a useless to me FireWire built in. I went to Kijiji to see if anyone there would like to trade an equivalent MacBook Air for my Pro, and I found 10 posts of other people wishing to trade MBP for Air and 0 for Air -> MBP. I wonder why that is... Where are these hoard of people who miss their FireWire and extra thickness/weight?
 
GermanyChris said:
I still don't think there will be an iPad mini..
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In Christianity neither morality nor religion come into contact with reality at any point.
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Your post and Nietzsche's opinion of Christianity have a lot in common
 
shurcooL said:
Clearly those millions of people who spend $X,XXX and $XX,XXX on audio tech can afford a modern Retina MacBook with Thunderbolt but cannot afford to get a $XX ($29) Thunderbolt-to-FireWire adapter for it.

Because of those millions of people who still use FireWire port every day, apple should keep FireWire built in and screw the other 10 people like me who don't have a single FireWire device.

Thinking about it, they should've kept the CDROM and Floppy drives in MacBook Air too now. Damn, what a mistake it was to make those things available as optional external devices JUST for the few people who need them. :rolleyes:
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Dear Mr. Sarcast-o-bot,

I too love throwing the word "floppy" around, but you know perfectly well that the issue isn't that binary. It's not a black or white thing where if you're not 110% in favor of dropping any legacy support anytime, it automatically means that you're a staunch supporter of the idea that Apple should be forced to support Apple II cassette tape compatibility on Macs until the year 3000. Firewire isn't as dated as floppies were when Apple phased out floppy drives (the 3.5" floppy was 20 years old at the time, the first Apple products to support Firewire 800 were introduced 9 years ago), and floppies are just cheap storage, they hardly compare to Avid's Pro Tools rigs.
Reports of using Thunderbolt-to-Firewire adapters suggest that it's hit and miss for audio interfaces. It's different from stuff like hard drives in that it's paramount that there are no glitches and dropouts in the audio stream... ever. A hiccup that lasts 2 milliseconds during a file transfer to a hard drive is something you'll never notice, it's a secret between the computer and the external drive. A 2 millisecond hiccup in the audio stream on the other hand can amount to a ruined recording. Audio is ridiculously sensitive and there was a minor uproar when Apple switched from some Texas Instruments firewire controller to, well, whatever the new one was. Pro audio is voodoo territory.
 
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Anuba said:
Totally. That way, they ensured that musicians who have invested in $X,XXX and $XX,XXX audio interfaces that use firewire (because USB sucks for more than 2 in, 2 out) will be sticking with their old Macs until they disintegrate from age (the Macs, or the musicians). Happiness is definitely a word I associate with the removal of a port.
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All current and future Macs can handle firewire, either natively or with an adaptor.

What was smart was not including something the vast majority of people have no need for now or in the future.
 
skunnykart said:
"What's left is a 7" screen...too small. There are clear limits to how close elements can be on the screen before users can't touch accurately. We believe 10-inch screen is minimum necessary."

10 inch screen is the minimum because 7 inch is too small... business was not part of the reasoning back then.
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The whole 7 inch is too small was and is an absurd idea based on the fact that the iPhone and iPod Touch are FAR smaller yet and somehow people manage to use them. If anything, I'd say the regular iPad is too large and more importantly too expensive to use as say a home theater controller and couch surfer whose sole function is to sit on a coffee or end table whereas a 7-inch tablet would be so much easier to use than an iPod Touch for this function and yet not take up half the entire end table's surface in the process. More importantly, if it costs nearly half the price, it becomes a much more affordable option to use for specific uses rather than an all-around device that attempts to be used for everything short of heavy-weight desktop computing. They'd take up less space in a briefcase or whatever and be easier to tote around.

Frankly, I never did see the appeal of a 10-inch iPad that takes up every bit as much space as a more powerful Netbook or even a small notebook computer. You can't fit it in your pocket like an iPhone or iPod Touch so portability is already compromised, so why not just get a Macbook Air or 13" Macbook Pro? If Apple added touchscreen capability to their notebooks (apparently Microsoft is going to be the innovator here, not Apple), they could double as either and perhaps even be "lift out" units that dock into a keyboard type unit, but could be removed to be used as a tablet (or flipped around, if thin enough). At that point, the whole idea of an iPad becomes moot since you could have your iPad and Macbook Pro combined into one unit. I'm going to predict this is where Apple will one day end up anyway. They might as well have started sooner rather than later and giving Microsoft a chance to pass them up again.
 
MagnusVonMagnum said:
The whole 7 inch is too small was and is an absurd idea based on the fact that the iPhone and iPod Touch are FAR smaller yet and somehow people manage to use them.
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For the umpteenth time: apps for the iPhone and iPod touch are designed for the smaller display.

Here is the thing: when you have a finger driven interface, the interactive elements must be at least finger-tip sized. Thus there is a limit to how much you can shrink the display befores apps become unusable. Google gets around this with the Nexus 7 by using the phone/PMP interface, which means that the UI elements are scaled up rather than scaled down.


As for your other point.... Laptops need to be set down in order to be used properly. Tablets do not. And we shall see how well consumers receive metro and RT. (though if MS doesn't do something to curb the confusion with the latter then it is almost certain to fail)
 
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APlotdevice said:
Here is the thing: when you have a finger driven interface, the interactive elements must be at least finger-tip sized.
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The alphanumerical keys on the iPhone are fingertip sized? You could fit about nine portrait mode iPhone keys into one landscape mode iPad key, and you are still able to type on an iPhone with your not-so-fingertip-sized thumbs, drunk, without typos.

The vast majority of stuff on the 10" iPad, people would have zero problem using on a 7" one (or 7.85", rather, I don't know when we started rounding .85 down to .00). Some stuff on the iPad is spaced so far apart you'd think it's in some kind of accessibility mode, like the app icons on the home screen... they look like islands in the Pacific.
 
Anuba said:
Dear Mr. Sarcast-o-bot,

I too love throwing the word "floppy" around, but you know perfectly well that the issue isn't that binary. It's not a black or white thing where if you're not 110% in favor of dropping any legacy support anytime, it automatically means that you're a staunch supporter of the idea that Apple should be forced to support Apple II cassette tape compatibility on Macs until the year 3000. Firewire isn't as dated as floppies were when Apple phased out floppy drives (the 3.5" floppy was 20 years old at the time, the first Apple products to support Firewire 800 were introduced 9 years ago), and floppies are just cheap storage, they hardly compare to Avid's Pro Tools rigs.
Reports of using Thunderbolt-to-Firewire adapters suggest that it's hit and miss for audio interfaces. It's different from stuff like hard drives in that it's paramount that there are no glitches and dropouts in the audio stream... ever. A hiccup that lasts 2 milliseconds during a file transfer to a hard drive is something you'll never notice, it's a secret between the computer and the external drive. A 2 millisecond hiccup in the audio stream on the other hand can amount to a ruined recording. Audio is ridiculously sensitive and there was a minor uproar when Apple switched from some Texas Instruments firewire controller to, well, whatever the new one was. Pro audio is voodoo territory.
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A well formulated argument, thank you. I see your point, and I agree.

Nevertheless, as you say it yourself "pro audio is voodoo territory" meaning any change, even if technologically superior and forward-looking, might cause incompatibilities in the newly released products vs. old tech. This means whatever improvements Apple might do, there will be potential problems caused by it.

However, Apple is a big company making products for lots of people. They shouldn't be held back by these issues. I believe their current solution is adequate.

The solution is:
-release TB-to-FW adapter which is *supposed* to work
-keep selling Classic MBP with FW built-in
-people who bought older MBPs may continue using them, Apple doesn't force you to upgrade to Retina MBP

That should keep both segments (pro audio users relying on FW, and the general public that appreciates the innovations going in new Airs and rMBPs) happy IMO, and it's absolutely the right thing to do. Even though it will cause some friction; there's no other way around it. There'd be a lot more upset people if they kept CDROM and FW in today's Air and rMBP.
 
Anuba said:
The alphanumerical keys on the iPhone are fingertip sized? You could fit about nine portrait mode iPhone keys into one landscape mode iPad key, and you are still able to type on an iPhone with your not-so-fingertip-sized thumbs, drunk, without typos.

The vast majority of stuff on the 10" iPad, people would have zero problem using on a 7" one (or 7.85", rather, I don't know when we started rounding .85 down to .00). Some stuff on the iPad is spaced so far apart you'd think it's in some kind of accessibility mode, like the app icons on the home screen... they look like islands in the Pacific.
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No you won't have a problem at 7.85. That's the point. At this specific size the PPI is identical to an equivalent iPhone. So as long as developers followed Apple's 44x44px non-retina (88x88px retina) guideline for touch targets everything should work just fine.

People say 7" because that's what rival tablets are. They ignore or are otherwise unaware of the pretty significant difference between the two screen sizes.
 
APlotdevice said:
No you won't have a problem at 7.85. That's the point. At this specific size the PPI is identical to an equivalent iPhone. So as long as developers followed Apple's 44x44px non-retina (88x88px retina) guideline for touch targets everything should work just fine.

People say 7" because that's what rival tablets are. They ignore or are otherwise unaware of the pretty significant difference between the two screen sizes.
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Huh? How does this jibe with your "For the umpteenth time" post above?
 
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