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First, you didn't pay twice for the first month. You paid in advance. Secondly, if you think iTunes will operate like a cell phone plan (i.e. a contract) that is just speculation. It makes no sense for iTunes to operate like that. eMusic didn't charge me twice for the first month. Neither did many other monthly services I have had.

I'm starting to wonder if you are really interested in the debate or just in raising your post count. You're not interested in subscriptions. Others are. What else can you say?

A little of both... no one else is making any valid argument either... and the subscription model that people are using is also speculation based on what already exists. Who is to say Apple won't go the cell phone route? It made no sense for Apple to make the Apple TV when the quality of media on iTunes isn't even close to TV quality. I am interested in the debate but like many rumor debates it is based on opinion and speculation... I like this I want that.. but no one takes actual facts into consideration. The guy that works for Sony BMG has more experience than any of us and he says subscription sites are failing. eMusic may be great but I don't hear the masses screaming about it, that's why they need incentives to get current customers to sign friends up... .Mac did that a few times and it never worked for them.

Bottom line. Everyone wants businesses to lose money to give them what they want... when you think about it based on what works for both you and Apple you are a lot happier when Apple give you what you want, and you have more reason to get upset when Apple doesn't do what they should have. Most people in support of subscription music with iTunes are really thinking of themselves. When someone comes along and disagrees since it won't work economically, they get confused and try to shoot down their reasons with speculation and rumor, while the others use the current failing businesses as support.

Fact is. Subscription isn't working that great for eMusic, Zune users and the rest, it's a niche market, and it won't put a dent in the already top noche iTunes Store system, so why bother.
 
Nice as an option

I agree, I want to own the music. But Jobs is also downplaying something the labels want so they'll go along with DRM-free 256 bit music -- then I'll bet that he'll offer them a subscription plan to sweeten the deal. So iTunes would have every kind of access.

To switch iTunes over to subscription as a whole? Are you nuts? Some people want this, of course. The same percent who want a radio on their iPod, or, as they say, t*ts on their bulls.
 
No matter What I say, things will be decided by Apple...

This is only because this is the type of person YOU are.

Remember this it's important. I prefer to own my movies If I suddenly feel like watching a movie 2 months from now I have to pay out cash again to see it full price for a rental when I maybe only want to see a clip of it like 15 mins worth.

I will rent movies but I much prefer to own them.

I guess if the movies were going to be sold at a lower price, I wouldn't mind owning them, but considering the fact that I can rent countless movies in one month on a subscription without caring if it is good or bad. If I buy a movie, I'm stuck with it.

I know it is possible to have a NETFLIX or BLOCKBUSTER subscription while at the same time, buying movies I really like, but I honestly don't see anybody saying, "I'm gonna watch 'Something about Mary' 5-6 times."

Let's say I spend $17 on a DVD I purchase from a store. That is the same price I could pay for a month of rentals from Netflix. Now... if you are a "slow swapper", like me, you are not getting your money's worth.

Anyway, you don't get those movies IMMEDIATELY, but you COULD with the online service. This is where Apple TV and/or iTUNES comes in. Even at $9 a pop, you are getting ripped off (unless I watch it 4 times). I love "SCHOOL OF ROCK", but the movie is going to be dated in about 5 years. It isn't some movie that is going to become a classic. A lot of movies just don't make any sense to see twice (if you watch every movie twice, congratulations, you have no life... ha). There are classics like Star Wars, Godfather, and other movies that are timeless, but they are few and far between, and not your typical movie watching experience on a Friday evening or Saturday afternoon. I don't feel so bad when I rent a "box office bomb", but when I'm stuck with it, man that sucks.

MUSIC on the other hand, you tend to BUY what you want to listen to more than once. I hear people say, "I wanna SAMPLE my music before buying", but I really think you want to sample it before using some software to rip it. There are much better ways out there to "sample" music. iTunes gives you a 30 second clip of everything. I think if you heard 30 seconds of "SHE BANGS" by Ricky Martin, you would have enough information to say yes or HOPEFULLY no in this case.

There have got to be several people on this site that have XM or Sirius. I am a Sirius subscriber, and if you are not, maybe you would see some benefits to RENTING music from iTUNES. Sirius has a station for every interest... If you want Jazz, there are 3-4 different stations - ex. Smooth Jazz, Big Band, Jazz combos, Latin jazz, etc. etc. or... If you want Techno, you have a few of those too. It has some very SPECIFIC stations - Rolling Stones and some really interesting ones like Coffee House (acoustic versions of popular songs mixed with other things).

It plays in the car without setting up a playlist, it is just there. If I really like it, I look up the artist when I get home. For the price, it's worth every penny.

If that is too costly, there is another great music invention that still works well, the RADIO. Give it a try.

Anyway, no matter what I think, the ball is in Apple's court. I don't think we're going to see a subscription for music. I'll eat my words when they do, but don't bank on it. I could see them letting you listen to an entire song once, but no subscriptions are on the way. TRUST ME. I KNOW. :rolleyes:
 
Ummm.... if you wanted to discover new music why pay for it? Just listen to the radio. Listen to your friends iPod or the preview songs in iTS for free. So what your saying in essence is pay for the subscription, then pay for any of the songs you want to keep again and then keep paying for the subscription which is actually making you pay for the song you just bought over and over again....

If you are going to buy the song just buy the song... what's wrong with that?

Er, radio? You have got to be kidding me. The radio in the Milwaukee area just totally sucks. You can listen to the same 100 songs on any radio station for about 6 months straights. Seriously, for a period of about six months, it did not matter when I got in my car, the same song would crop up on my commute.

So I quit radio and I have not listened to it in two years now. Instead I use subscription music from Yahoo!. I randomly select albums from genres I like or the top 100 or from recommendations based upon my interests. Gradually over time I have been discovering a lot of artists that I would never have found otherwise - certainly they would never have been played on the radio.

Instead of paying $14/month (or whatever it is) for satellite radio I pay the $100 or so per year for Yahoo! and take the music with me. I consider it much better value. Is every every song available via subscription? No, you will not find the Beatles (but you won't on itunes either) but you will find enough. On the whole I have found 98% of the music I was looking for. That's not a bad hit rate.

One thing that is apparant by you post is that you have never tried the subscription service. Is it for everyone? No probably not, but then most of the people on this forum who are nay sayers have never tried it. Those who have are mostly positive about it and say it "kicks ass".
 
One thing that is apparant by you post is that you have never tried the subscription service. Is it for everyone? No probably not, but then most of the people on this forum who are nay sayers have never tried it. Those who have are mostly positive about it and say it "kicks ass".

Almost thou persuadest me to be a subscriber. :eek:
 
Fact is. Subscription isn't working that great for eMusic, Zune users and the rest, it's a niche market, and it won't put a dent in the already top noche iTunes Store system, so why bother.

Actually, eMusic is doing quite well. They are the second-largest online music store and are making a profit. (you should find out about things before you post facts about them)

Meanwhile, Wal-mart's online music store isn't doing that well. And guess what? It isn't subscription. You pay for songs and you own them! You also seem to forget that Rhapsody, Napster, and others are not exclusively subscription. They also offer purchases.

It seems to me that success is not simply defined by whether a music store sells monthly subscriptions or not. iTunes is excellent, but not only because they don't offer subscriptions.

I will admit that one thing that sets eMusic apart from other subscription services is that eMusic works on an iPod. Why? Because it's DRM free. Secondly, once you download from eMusic, you own it forever. It does not disappear when you quit the service.

I like the iTunes model a lot. But it isn't the only possible way for success.
 
An Artist's Take

I have a band on iTunes, Rhapsody, etc.

As things stand right now, I get paid $.01 per listen from all of the subscription services. I get $.59 for every downloaded song and $5.99 for every downloaded album.

Artists do get directly paid by subscription services as well as downloads. The only time they don't is when they have signed over all rights to a label--but then they are pretty much screwed out of everything anyway, except for what they specifically work out with the label. Independent artists who use CDBaby get it all.

I personally would have no use for a subscription service, but I am not really against it as a potential revenue stream. It is really no different that subscribing to XM Radio. If people want to pay $10/month for unlimited listens to an entire catalog, fine. They can just go out and BUY what they really want to keep permanently.

IMHO, Steve's "never say never" comment means that they will indeed implement it, but not hype it. All it will end up being is a $10/month "sampler" service, akin to listening to the song fragments in the iTunes Store, except that the song will play completely through. If it is marketed like that, I think it fits into the whole iTunes scheme quite well, actually.

How the DRM element of it works, however, is the real kicker. No DRM means no effective subscription service model. To Steve, crucifying Micro$oft to the DRM tree is probably more strategically advantageous than what little would be gained from a subscription service, but ultimately serving the needs of the customer elegantly wins no matter what.
 
Yes. Economists call this a service, specifically, an entertainment service, and people are paying money for it. In fact, in most developed countries, services make up the majority of economic activity. Crazy, isn't it?

Oh well, I guess I must be one of those crazy people who wants to own the music that I fork out money for... I view music as a 'good', not a 'service'; buying and selling of goods: another type of economic activity :D

Ang
 
subscription = exploration

Buying music is great for the limited number of songs you know you want.

Subscription is a great and legal way to explore music, try new songs, new groups, new genres, without having to pay lots of money for (or steal) music you might not like. $15/mo to listen and try hundreds of songs....that would be just 11-15 songs purchased.

Not everyone has access to roommate/friends with thousands of songs to trade and try. There is a reason that tens of thousands of people have subscriptions.
 
MUSIC on the other hand, you tend to BUY what you want to listen to more than once. I hear people say, "I wanna SAMPLE my music before buying", but I really think you want to sample it before using some software to rip it. There are much better ways out there to "sample" music. iTunes gives you a 30 second clip of everything. I think if you heard 30 seconds of "SHE BANGS" by Ricky Martin, you would have enough information to say yes or HOPEFULLY no in this case.

Sorry, but no. The 30 second clip is NOT useful in determining the quality of a song, or if it's part of a genre you like. So many songs these days are cross-overs that change gears mid-song, or have a different paced section of the song, that you can't really be sure what the 30 second clip represents in terms of the overall genre of the song. And it's absolutely terrible for figuring out if you're going to like the song as a whole ... unless the song itself is only 30-40 seconds long.

The value of the 30 second clip is: "is this the song I heard somewhere else, or a different song?" or "is this the right remix of the song I know I'm looking for?" In other words: for the 30 second clip to be useful, you must already know the song you want.

Using the 30 second clip to figure out whether or not this is the song you want to buy is like buying a DVD based on the trailer. You use the trailer to decide what to (see in the theatre/watch on TV/rent from blockbuster/queue from netflix). You don't decide to BUY the DVD until you've seen the movie and decided if it's something you honestly want to keep forever ... unless it's a bargain basement sale on the DVD, in which case you're paying the "rent from blockbuster" price (ie. it's the low-risk environment of rentals, and not the higher price/risk of buying it unseen at full price).

Same with the 30 second clip. It's useful in identifying a song, not in deciding whether or not to buy it. A subscription service or much cheaper rental service WOULD be useful in deciding what to buy, however.


There have got to be several people on this site that have XM or Sirius. I am a Sirius subscriber, and if you are not, maybe you would see some benefits to RENTING music from iTUNES.

...

If that is too costly, there is another great music invention that still works well, the RADIO. Give it a try.

What you're missing here is that:

iTunes music subscription == Sirius/XM radio subscription. Only iTunes music subscription is a better idea because you actually pick the song you want to listen to right now, whereas with Sirus/XM you only get to pick the genre you want to listen to right now. Sirius/XM lets you pick a channel that fits a genre ... but you still aren't picking what songs are going to played at any given time, or even on any given day.

But my point is: it's the same concept. Subscription iTunes replaces "listening to the Radio". What has been done so far with "internet radio" is not "The Internet version of Radio". iTunes with a subscription is "The Internet version of Radio". You browse it yourself instead of waiting for someone to broadcast it to you serendipitously; you discuss what's new with other people who are interested in the same genres and then go listen to it yourself, instead of being fed a playlist by a DJ. "Internet radio", and over the air radio, really, is driving a model T on the autobahn: trying to make a dinosaur function in an environment that is far beyond the technology that you're using.

And, by bringing up XM and Sirius, you've already contradicted your earlier assertion that people don't want to pay for the music and then not own it (when you said "music -> own, movies -> rent", unless I confused you with someone else). XM and Sirius show exactly that people will pay for temporary access to music. Doing the same thing with iTunes just goes one better by giving you a finer grain of selection than what XM and Sirius give you.


If you want to compare the options I presented with other models in the same category:

iTunes data subscription -> subscription radio/movie/tv services, or on demand tv that is not pay per view
(XM/Sirius on the music side, Netflix on the movie side, cable/satellite TV on the tvshow side)

iTunes data rental -> blockbuster style movie rental, pay-per-view tv, on demand pay per view tv

iTunes data purchase -> DVD and CD


_ALL_ of these are proven market concepts for entertainment delivery. And, in my opinion, doing it through an online service (preferably iTunes, but also with the Yahoo music service, etc.) goes one better than the ones I list.

iTunes data subscription is better than satellite radio or cable/satellite TV because you pick the content from the entire library of choices, instead of only being able to pick a channel and then having to watch according to someone else's schedule for that channel. It's better than Netflix, because there's no turn around time. It is directly comparable to having an "on demand TV" service that is paid for by the month instead of by the show because you pick and view from the catalog as often as you want with as many repeats or changes as you want while you maintain your subscription.

iTunes data rental is better than blockbuster for the same reason iTunes data subscription is better than Netflix. And it's better than pay-per-view TV for the same reason it's better than cable/satellite tv. It is most directly comparable to "on demand TV" where you can pick any show from the library, view it one time for a fee, and then it's gone.

iTunes data purchase is just the on-line version of buying CDs and DVDs.

None of those markets is going away any time soon. Having iTunes offer data subscriptions and data rental _IN_ADDITION_ to the current data purchase model doesn't mean iTunes is entering in to unproven markets. It means that it is using its current strengths and popularity to compete in proven markets.

It's the right thing to do. Too bad Steve doesn't see it.
 
Dude... no one buys an iPod with no music of their own... and the iTunes Store has 2million+ songs so that's what a petabyte of info... how will you fill your 80GB iPod let alone listen to all of those songs...

Subscriptions are running on hype... it won't make any money... people rather own their music, not rent it. And as said before.. you pay once for the rentals, again if you want to keep a song, and again for the rentals next month regardless of what you own. And you will still pay twice for the intial month... got a cell phone?

Who said it would cost $10?
Who said it would be $10 forever? Bet you a quarter the price of the subscription goes up.

And your calculations make no sense at all, not too many people buy the iPod then all that they can hold at one time... that scenario is way off track. Not trying to get your panties in a bunch, Jobs can't justify subscriptions.

first off my calculations make all the sense in the world... why dont you go and find out for yourself.. they are all under $12, many under $10...

you say that arent willing to spend $10/month and that everyone already has music when they buy an ipod... i say you pirated it if you didnt spend more than $10/month to get it before you got an ipod! there is no way in hell you acquired 4gb of music legally in your lifetime spending less than $10 per month...
 
Fact is. Subscription isn't working that great for eMusic, Zune users and the rest, it's a niche market, and it won't put a dent in the already top noche iTunes Store system, so why bother.



Fact is, you are dead wrong. eMusic is second to only iTunes, and has amazing rates of growth. While both iTunes and eMusic are growing, eMusic is actually growing faster now. eMusic is also not like the rest of the subscription models. When you download a song from eMusic, you OWN it forever, in DRM free format, and better quality than iTunes. I haven't downloaded a song from iTunes since I began using eMusic, it's so much better. I download 90 songs a month for 9.99 and I own them forever.
 
that's awful... i would never sign up for that... i'm surprised this is the way of online music subscription, and i'm surprised people actually subscribe... but i suppose that "Audio Hijack Pro" would come in handy with subscriptions...;)


I subscribe to rhapsody.. and I love it. I NEVER have bought a single song on iTunes and probably never will.

I like being able to listen to whatever i want when i want. I don't own a radio or an ipod.. so if someone tell me to check out an artist or a song.. I like to be able to "pop" on over and listen with no hassle. (In many cases the artist / song is available.. but not always) If i want to purchase and burn a song I have the option to do that as well... but it's nice to be able to listen to streaming music all day.

AND.. not saying that *i* do it..but it's not really that hard to capture the streamed music and burn it on a CD for no additional costs.
 
None of those markets is going away any time soon. Having iTunes offer data subscriptions and data rental _IN_ADDITION_ to the current data purchase model doesn't mean iTunes is entering in to unproven markets. It means that it is using its current strengths and popularity to compete in proven markets.

It's the right thing to do. Too bad Steve doesn't see it.


I just realized that a slightly different reading of Steve Jobs' statement might make a world of difference. The general thread of discussion here has been "should iTunes _ADD_ a subscription option". But what if that's not what Steve was addressing?

What if, instead, Steve is being pressured by the entertainment companies to _replace_ the purchase model with ONLY a subscription model?

In that case, I agree whole heartedly with Steve saying "no". If iTunes is only going to offer _one_ model, it should be the purchase model. Steve is absolutely right if what he's really saying is: ultimately people want the option to own their music. They may also want the option to rent it or subscribe to it, but ultimately, the option to _own_ it is a _MUST_HAVE_ option.

The ideal would be to offer all 3 models I mentioned across all of the data types that iTunes sells. But if we can't have multiple models, and can only have one model ... go with what we have now: you purchase everything.
 
Subscriptions necessitate heavy handed DRM combined with limits on the number of music players that are "authorized" to play back the songs. Subscriptions would also preclude use of those songs in personal media projects.

I use my purchased songs in my home videos.

Subscriptions are a bad idea and I cannot fathom why you people want Apple to copy a broken idea from MSFT.

Have you all forgotten about the KISS principle?
 
Subscriptions necessitate heavy handed DRM combined with limits on the number of music players that are "authorized" to play back the songs. Subscriptions would also preclude use of those songs in personal media projects.

I use my purchased songs in my home videos.

Subscriptions are a bad idea and I cannot fathom why you people want Apple to copy a broken idea from MSFT.

Have you all forgotten about the KISS principle?

Hang on, so you have a completely different need to what a subscription-based service offers, and then you complain it's useless because of it?

"Cars drive on roads. I need to go on water. I don't know why you would want a car."

This thread is just crazy.
 
Choice

Ok, so if I understand correctly, some of us would like to have a subscription service, others would not... so, why not offer us the CHOICE? No one is putting a gun to your head and forcing you to subscribe.
 
Subscriptions necessitate heavy handed DRM combined with limits on the number of music players that are "authorized" to play back the songs. Subscriptions would also preclude use of those songs in personal media projects.

I use my purchased songs in my home videos.

Subscriptions are a bad idea and I cannot fathom why you people want Apple to copy a broken idea from MSFT.

Have you all forgotten about the KISS principle?

I don't like microsoft, but subscriptions are a brilliant idea and it is anything but a broken idea - but I am sure Apple could do it better.

If you want to use songs in personal media projects you can still do that. Know how? You buy the track! It is not like someone is forcing you into *only* subscriptions with a gun to your head.

Some people really need to get a clue before they post....
 
Sorry, but no. The 30 second clip is NOT useful in determining the quality of a song, or if it's part of a genre you like. So many songs these days are cross-overs that change gears mid-song, or have a different paced section of the song, that you can't really be sure what the 30 second clip represents in terms of the overall genre of the song. And it's absolutely terrible for figuring out if you're going to like the song as a whole ... unless the song itself is only 30-40 seconds long.

Do people really sit on iTUNES and try to find songs they like? Like I said, I buy things I've already heard (as do most people). More than likely you:

**Buy it because you own something by the artist already

**Buy it because a friend or family member recommended it to you (here the 30 second clip comes in handy for me... if it takes that long to do something interesting, it's probably not going to do much for me any time soon. Certainly longer songs are different).

**Buy it because you heard it on the radio or saw the video on TV

I just don't think people sit on their computer contemplating which music to buy, sifting through a specific genre trying to find that ONE SONG that touches them. A lot of people are searching for something specific when they go on iTUNES. If John Mayer comes out with a new CD, I don't mind spending the money on it, even if EVERY SONG isn't a grammy winner.

More than likely, if you want a larger sound clip, bands have websites with more elaborate recordings, or check out websites like PURE VOLUME or MYSPACE, which tend to have longer clips. The resourses are out there if you are worried about losing 99 cents on a song.

I was merely saying in my previous message (in a very drawn out manner) that I think music is something you can come back to time after time. It would suck if I was renting music from NAPSTER and all of a sudden they went belly up. Now my library is gone, and I have to start all over. You might as well set fire to your record collection. Sure you have Insurance for those records, but you still have to go and purchase them all again.

The value of the 30 second clip is: "is this the song I heard somewhere else, or a different song?" or "is this the right remix of the song I know I'm looking for?" In other words: for the 30 second clip to be useful, you must already know the song you want.

Using the 30 second clip to figure out whether or not this is the song you want to buy is like buying a DVD based on the trailer.

Isn't that what the trailer or for? People spend nearly $50 these days going to a movie with a loved one or family every all the time (including treats and beverages - more if you include dinner).

You use the trailer to decide what to (see in the theatre/watch on TV/rent from blockbuster/queue from netflix). You don't decide to BUY the DVD until you've seen the movie and decided if it's something you honestly want to keep forever ... unless it's a bargain basement sale on the DVD, in which case you're paying the "rent from blockbuster" price (ie. it's the low-risk environment of rentals, and not the higher price/risk of buying it unseen at full price).

Same with the 30 second clip. It's useful in identifying a song, not in deciding whether or not to buy it. A subscription service or much cheaper rental service WOULD be useful in deciding what to buy, however.

It's $1... This is why I said you BUY MUSIC and RENT MOVIES. I am pretty sure I mentioned it.

And, by bringing up XM and Sirius, you've already contradicted your earlier assertion that people don't want to pay for the music and then not own it (when you said "music -> own, movies -> rent", unless I confused you with someone else). XM and Sirius show exactly that people will pay for temporary access to music. Doing the same thing with iTunes just goes one better by giving you a finer grain of selection than what XM and Sirius give you.

I said XM/Sirius gives you a better way to "SAMPLE" music than iTUNES could or would.

An iTUNES subscription is SORT OF like XM RADIO except who the heck wants to spend HOURS digging through music they have never heard before and then putting them in some sort of order. WHO HAS THAT KIND OF TIME?

Everybody has their "playlists" on their iPOD, I'm sure you want to make changes. You aren't going to have that option (ON THE GO) to listen to something else if you get tired, so it's not REALLY the same at all.

XM/SIRIUS = Listening to new things (potentially) while driving, cleaning the house, doing taxes, hanging out at the beach, etc.

iTUNES "SUBSCRIPTION" = sitting at your desk or on your laptop trying to sort out every song you want to listen to... which is fine if you have that sort of time.

If you want to compare the options I presented with other models in the same category:

iTunes data subscription -> subscription radio/movie/tv services, or on demand tv that is not pay per view
(XM/Sirius on the music side, Netflix on the movie side, cable/satellite TV on the tvshow side)

iTunes data rental -> blockbuster style movie rental, pay-per-view tv, on demand pay per view tv

iTunes data purchase -> DVD and CD


_ALL_ of these are proven market concepts for entertainment delivery. And, in my opinion, doing it through an online service (preferably iTunes, but also with the Yahoo music service, etc.) goes one better than the ones I list.

APPLE will NEVER have a "DATA" plan. Too nerdy for them. I'm a geek, and the word "DATA" is not in Apple's vocabulary (particularly when describing something sold on iTUNES). Perhaps media or something(and that's pushing it), but DATA, never.

So yes. I agree with you. Movies are expensive to buy.

I do not think subscription services are the best way to Sample music.

We agree to disagree. :D
 
Rethinking subscription - at least for movies

Up to now I have agreed with Steve Jobs in wanting to own music - when Apple introduced the iTunes model, I think it was exactly right, and the correct move for the mindset of most music buyers up to now.

I have begun to rethink the attractiveness of the subscription model, because of movies. It comes down to storage - my choices right now are lots and lots of shelf space for all my DVDs, or lots and lots of hard drive space for downloaded/purchased movies and TV shows. The more I think about it, it would be nice to have someone else store all these massive files, but give me unlimited access to the library (assuming good streaming). This way I could search for and watch whatever I want, including hard-to-find movies. If there was a download model to the video iPod (even if it disappeared if I suspended subscription), would make this even more attractive.

This could provide a completely new model as compared to the current TV subscription model. It would put all choice into my hands.

If we are just talking about music, I prefer to own. If we add in movies, the subscription model becomes more interesting for me for music as well - as long as I could choose final ownership as well.

I wonder whether or not the market "mass mind" is moving in this direction (openness to subscription, at least for movies), as we are already used to subscribing to video (via TV). Like all new concepts, it takes a while for the benefits to be understood. Once we have true media hubs like future versions of AppleTV, people will come face to face with the storage problem inherent in the buy only model.
 
Up to now I have agreed with Steve Jobs in wanting to own music - when Apple introduced the iTunes model, I think it was exactly right, and the correct move for the mindset of most music buyers up to now.

I have begun to rethink the attractiveness of the subscription model, because of movies. It comes down to storage - my choices right now are lots and lots of shelf space for all my DVDs, or lots and lots of hard drive space for downloaded/purchased movies and TV shows. The more I think about it, it would be nice to have someone else store all these massive files, but give me unlimited access to the library (assuming good streaming). This way I could search for and watch whatever I want, including hard-to-find movies. If there was a download model to the video iPod (even if it disappeared if I suspended subscription), would make this even more attractive.

This could provide a completely new model as compared to the current TV subscription model. It would put all choice into my hands.

If we are just talking about music, I prefer to own. If we add in movies, the subscription model becomes more interesting for me for music as well - as long as I could choose final ownership as well.

I wonder whether or not the market "mass mind" is moving in this direction (openness to subscription, at least for movies), as we are already used to subscribing to video (via TV). Like all new concepts, it takes a while for the benefits to be understood. Once we have true media hubs like future versions of AppleTV, people will come face to face with the storage problem inherent in the buy only model.

I agree. What I'd really want is a 24/7/365 version of blockbuster.
 
Hmm, I know it's an old complaint from the non-USA users out there, but ANY movie content would be nice Apple!! We don't even get trailers...
 
Fact is. Subscription isn't working that great for eMusic, Zune users and the rest, it's a niche market, and it won't put a dent in the already top noche iTunes Store system, so why bother.

If you look at a company like Napster, their software doesn't work with 80 percent of the players sold (iPods), and that is unlikely to change since they worked really, really hard on ****ing off Steve Jobs.

Apple is in a much better position. They could actually make money off this.
 
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