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Steve Jobs' Official Cause of Death Listed as Respiratory Arrest and Pancreatic Tumor
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I'm sorry to hear about your mother.
And I love your signature.
You make a damn fine point. Thank you.
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I hate to sound stupid, but I've heard a lot about his cancer causing him pain, but how exactly does that happen? I mean, does it cause the affected organ to shut down or something?
What does the pain feel like? Sharp stabbing? Dull throb? Not to be morbid. I loved Steve Jobs. I just want to understand.
Cancer is not conscious. Therefore it cannot be evil.
Promoting continued exposure to known or likely carcinogens might be evil however.
I can't tell you how many times I cried about Steve passing. I rarely cry, and have never done so over a public figure.
He dragged us all into the computer age, the Internet age, and the information age. The world is a darker place for his passing.
A bit OT, but reminded of McCartney's recent marriage. On the 'intent to marry' notice, under "occupation" he put "businessman". "Ex-Beatle" may have been too limiting?
http://www.beatlesbible.com/2011/09...nancy-shevell-file-notice-of-intent-to-marry/ - click the image to see a close up of the notice.
One of the reasons this form of cancer is so bad is that you NEED your pancreas.
Just no viable way around this fact.
As I understand (I may be mistaken) Steve had an aggressive surgery called the Whipple Procedure back when first diagnosed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pancreaticoduodenectomy
Medically speaking it is from scar tissue and missing bowel that led to his liver transplant later on.
His alternative therapies were more supportive and most likely did not hurt him. In some protocols chemo and or radiation supplant surgery but often it is not needed and can only make you suffer the side effects with no real benefit. Steve was probably in this segment, where eating healthy, being active, etc. was his best defense.
Sad to say, all it takes is 1 cell for cancer to return. If scar tissue, errant cells, etc. ravaged his system that would explain many of his later symptoms.
As for chemo, there is no magic bullet. If he had pancreatic cells living in say his liver, chemo cannot just target those, but all pancreatic cells. As I stated you NEED your pancreas so that makes it a challenge to treat.
While no solace for him and his family, he did beat the odds and do very well with a high level of functionality for the diagnosis.
It is still incredibly sad such a mind and innovator was lost so soon.
Just no viable way around this fact.
As I understand (I may be mistaken) Steve had an aggressive surgery called the Whipple Procedure back when first diagnosed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pancreaticoduodenectomy
Medically speaking it is from scar tissue and missing bowel that led to his liver transplant later on.
His alternative therapies were more supportive and most likely did not hurt him. In some protocols chemo and or radiation supplant surgery but often it is not needed and can only make you suffer the side effects with no real benefit. Steve was probably in this segment, where eating healthy, being active, etc. was his best defense.
Sad to say, all it takes is 1 cell for cancer to return. If scar tissue, errant cells, etc. ravaged his system that would explain many of his later symptoms.
As for chemo, there is no magic bullet. If he had pancreatic cells living in say his liver, chemo cannot just target those, but all pancreatic cells. As I stated you NEED your pancreas so that makes it a challenge to treat.
While no solace for him and his family, he did beat the odds and do very well with a high level of functionality for the diagnosis.
It is still incredibly sad such a mind and innovator was lost so soon.
I still can't believe this, very very sad. RIP Steve Jobs. I too have cried many times of Steve's passing.
The most important thing I got from Steve Jobs wasn't a fancy phone or computer, but rather his philosophy on life. He beleived in people, and that people can change the world for the better if they follow what's inside their hearts.
The most important thing I got from Steve Jobs wasn't a fancy phone or computer, but rather his philosophy on life. He beleived in people, and that people can change the world for the better if they follow what's inside their hearts.
What gets me is that Jobs' "just getting started" would be a totally full and amazing life for any ten other people. He was just that far ahead of us.
This is still so sad to read. It also makes me reflect on how mortal we all are and serves as proof that there's isn't enough money and/or power in the world to stop us from meeting our fates.
It's amazing, however, that the legacy he leaves behind will be remembered for a very, very long time.
I thought about that too. When I heard about Steve Jobs death, it gave me a deep gut feeling... Just showing me how death can happen anytime, to anyone. It's scary. And I wonder about his religious beliefs. And the end of anyone's life. Where is he now?
Ah, I always thought you could survive without your pancreas. Thank you for clearing that up.
I'm an atheist (a bad word for many, I know) so I believe he's wherever his body is.
He was Buddhist, and I think they believe in reincarnation, so he may have believed he'd be back. That's a comforting thought -- he's still with us somewhere.
The type of pancreatic cancer Jobs had is different from the one most get. The one Jobs had, if you get the surgery, 80-90% will live beyond a decade, some will actually live for decades.
The form of pancreatic cancer, the one that the recently announced Nobel Laureate in Medicine, Ralph Steinman, died from, that one will kill 50% within ten months. Steinman lived for four years thanks to trying almost every kind of experimental drug (as in scientific drugs, not alternative medicine), some of the drugs he tried was actually based on his own research. One can really say that Steinman beat the odds.
That's the facts.
I miss Steve.
I miss having events to look forward to.
Back in the Macworld keynote days Apple usually had a satellite feed around the world. Apple fans would garter and drink wine and cheer as Steve invented things.
The day after we went to our IT work and teased the PC people by giving them bananas and eating Apples.
He made the world better and the world is now a really dark place.
"You just don't live in life. You change it. You shape it. You make your mark upon it"
"Its like art, science and religion all rolled into one"
"We are artists here. A place where raw sand comes in one end and goes out the other as silicon art"
"We are here to make a dent into the universe. Why else even being here? "
Mr Jobs is Insanely great. 5 October will go down as Apple day. One day Jobs will take his right place in history and that will be a holiday.
I miss having events to look forward to.
Back in the Macworld keynote days Apple usually had a satellite feed around the world. Apple fans would garter and drink wine and cheer as Steve invented things.
The day after we went to our IT work and teased the PC people by giving them bananas and eating Apples.
He made the world better and the world is now a really dark place.
"You just don't live in life. You change it. You shape it. You make your mark upon it"
"Its like art, science and religion all rolled into one"
"We are artists here. A place where raw sand comes in one end and goes out the other as silicon art"
"We are here to make a dent into the universe. Why else even being here? "
Mr Jobs is Insanely great. 5 October will go down as Apple day. One day Jobs will take his right place in history and that will be a holiday.
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Not such a bad way to go...
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Not such a bad way to go...
Rip
Anima eius et animae omnium fidelium defunctorum per Dei misericordiam requiescant in pace.
In English, it is:
May his soul and the souls of all the departed faithful by God's mercy rest in peace.
Anima eius et animae omnium fidelium defunctorum per Dei misericordiam requiescant in pace.
In English, it is:
May his soul and the souls of all the departed faithful by God's mercy rest in peace.
My mother in law died of pancreatic cancer 2 months ago. She had a loss of appetite about a year before she passed. This got steadily worse and vomiting back anything was common. Sadly this lead to rapid weight loss and chemotherapy created similar symptoms and massive swelling. Once that failed the tumor grew and began to press on other organs and affected the liver function as a secondary cancer grew.
Towards the end the appetite slowly disappears and the patient becomes weak and sleeps. They will stop passing urine and the kidneys fail. The breathing slows and often becomes irregular. The patient is normally placed on their right side to put less stress on their heart. They might spend 2 days completely unconscious before passing as the breathing slowly becomes more irregular and farther apart before it will eventually stop.
Rest assured, throughout the whole process they are usually monitored every hour and given the correct doses of anti nausea, morphine and sometimes something to help them sleep.
The last thing she said to me was "no". The question was, "are you in any pain".
I know death is a hard subject to talk about. I hope what I wrote reassures people who want to know that pain is correctly controlled. I wish I could take away all the cancer in the world. I've been at the bed side of 3 immediate relatives who have died from cancer. It's a part of life i've excepted but it never makes it any easier to deal with. rip.
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THIS WILL PISS OFF MANY, I AM READY TO BE FLAMED...
western medicine has no answer for cancer. A big fat fail for the AMA when it comes to cancer.
Western, standard american diet (SAD) has more to do with acquiring "cancer" than any genetic or other reason. That, coupled with stress/emotional issues.
Cancer doctors are thieves, and they know it.
Read about Otto Warburg...............
Maybe if Mr Jobs HAD NOT LISTENED TO THE MEMBERS OF APPLE'S BOARD, AND NOT GONE AGAINST HIS OWN BELIEFS, AND HAD NOT GOTTEN THAT WHIPPLE PROCEDURE, he might still be here.
Also, cancer is used as a targeted weapon, sometimes.....
Too much new truth for most of you....so flame away!
western medicine has no answer for cancer. A big fat fail for the AMA when it comes to cancer.
Western, standard american diet (SAD) has more to do with acquiring "cancer" than any genetic or other reason. That, coupled with stress/emotional issues.
Cancer doctors are thieves, and they know it.
Read about Otto Warburg...............
Maybe if Mr Jobs HAD NOT LISTENED TO THE MEMBERS OF APPLE'S BOARD, AND NOT GONE AGAINST HIS OWN BELIEFS, AND HAD NOT GOTTEN THAT WHIPPLE PROCEDURE, he might still be here.
Also, cancer is used as a targeted weapon, sometimes.....
Too much new truth for most of you....so flame away!
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New truth? Any kind of truth needs facts, figures, and studies to back it up, not just random claims by some Internet guy.