I've been waiting for a personalized jet-pack since I was sixiJet perhaps with 10 hours of flight time between charges
I'll wait for the upgrade.
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Steve Jobs on 13-Inch MacBook Pro's Use of Intel Core 2 Duo Processors
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I'll wait for the upgrade.
Just ordered my Sony Vaio VPCZ11Z9E/B , costs me 2310€ with 3 year warranty. Configuring a 13'' MBP in a similar fasion (256GB SSD, 3 year AppleCare) shows a price of 2373€. Sadly i have to try that awful windows crap or install a linux system which probably won't take advantage of all the accessories.
Apple usually charges a bit more than other suppliers and thats fine with me, im not fussed about the price. But for 2 year old hardware that is more than questionable.
Really wish they would have upgraded the 13'' version a tad more, in that case i would have bought one for sure.
It's called progression. You're saying, 'What is the point of wireless electricity when we have plugs?'
I agree, Lifestyle choice? Whatever!
As to your next paragraph.... What about the iphone? I would say that it as much of one as it is the other....
Yip. My 2.16 white macbook with GMA950 (incase you don't know....this is BAAAAD) works absolutely fine with all of those programs. Not as quick but hey. Any Apple laptop currently available will easily run most of CS4 (probably 5 too). All the previous gen will as well, so if you want to combine cheapness with OSX and Adode, then refurbs from last year will suit you to.
Your obviously not getting raw power but i have never had any complaints.
I brought mine when Tiger (10.4) was the norm and it still sorts most of my needs.
Screen size is the only drawback for me. 17"er next!!
core installation
Hey guys, a question: is it possible to install a icore7 processor to the mbp 13 soon after I buy it? I hope someone has the knowledge of replacing the processor without messing up what is in the inside.
P.s I wish I could have born today so that in 20 years I don't have to worry about does mbp 13 has an icore7 processor? =P
Michelle
Hey guys, a question: is it possible to install a icore7 processor to the mbp 13 soon after I buy it? I hope someone has the knowledge of replacing the processor without messing up what is in the inside.
P.s I wish I could have born today so that in 20 years I don't have to worry about does mbp 13 has an icore7 processor? =P
Michelle
Nope, can't do it. Totally different sockets, not to mention the bus signals would be all different.
like some here i have been waiting for this update for a while now, and not having the new chips is a bummer after i see some of the benchmarks the new ones are putting out. anyways my question is you guys think apple will update again in a few months with the new chip? and i really dont want a 15 because if i was going to spend that much i would just get a imac with better specs.
SOLD!!!!
Thank You! I'm not planning on doing editing for a living but I do like to do it every now and then and if the 13" MBP can do it, then I'm in!
It's small enough to be carrying around throughout classes in college, powerful to do what's stated above, and since I'm majoring in Accounting and Finance (I doubt any programs used will take up as much as editing photos and videos...I hope), it can hold up all my music.. There's nothing more I need.
This clears up a lot, now of course you'd like to have the latest and greatest technology out there but at this rate I'm tired of playing the waiting game
Less performance, a little bit less battery life , less screen quality... 200$ less. It's a choice, I do the Apple choice
not really.
-u30jc has comparable battery life to mbp13 (mbp 13 is not going to get 10 hrs real world usage. asus claims it gets 9+ hours but it gets 7-8h in real usage which i suspect the mbp13 will get)
-i3 is better than c2d (don't send me benchmarks comparing desktop c2d and i3 processors)
-screen quality is not as great as apple's which isn't that great to begin with.
and there's actually a $300 price increase which amounts to a 33% price difference over the u30jc
I'm curious as to why you think Apple's reasoning (and/or marketing strategy) would be any different in a few months than it is now?
Alright, another is it worth it question.
I currently own a 13" Macbook from 2007 with the 2.0 GHz core 2 duo processor. I've been kinda waiting for Apple to put out something that has me drooling for it. They almost did with the Macbook air (I really like the portability but the spec difference wasn't worth the size difference. What I'm really hoping is to maybe sometime in the future have more laptops be small like that but with better specs).
Portability is important to me as I really don't get the point of a laptop that isn't very portable. I'd more likely pay more for a 13" with a good graphics card/processor than for a 15" with the same specs (basically, you'd be very hard pressed to get me into a 15" unless some how you made it very portable, maybe make it really thin like the air). In fact, i have the opposite reaction of the person who said who would buy a 13"? I want to know who would buy a 17" (you want screen size just connect it to a monitor and then you can get whatever size screen you want. But for me the small screen it comes with is worth the compromise when I'm travelling/taking it somewhere for ease of portability)?
I do actually want some capability. I'd like to be able to play some games. Not the most hardcore stuff, I'd update my PC that I had put together a few years ago to play Flight Sim 2000 if I really want that. But I'd like my laptop to be able to run some games (mine can't even run Sims3, in fact on the box it specifically mentions mine's integrated graphics card as not capable. And even Sim City 4 which came out about the time of my Mac runs like crap on it). Basically, I don't care that it's the most gameworthy, but I'd like it to be somewhat capable.
I also would like better multitasking ability (I suppose I could fix this some by just adding RAM to mine, it has the basic RAM of 1 gb that can be upgraded to either 3 or 4, I thought 4 but I read somewhere recently that it was 3).
I do like the newer trackpad (mine still has a button) and I love the backlit keyboard. But these are extra luxuries that I don't see a reason to upgrade a laptop for. I'm more interested in better processor/graphics card/RAM (and ability to upgrade RAM).
So, that being said, is the current 13" any upgrade to mine for my purposes? And is it worth waiting to see if they put an i3 chip into the 13"? Or are neither really that much of an upgrade.
I currently own a 13" Macbook from 2007 with the 2.0 GHz core 2 duo processor. I've been kinda waiting for Apple to put out something that has me drooling for it. They almost did with the Macbook air (I really like the portability but the spec difference wasn't worth the size difference. What I'm really hoping is to maybe sometime in the future have more laptops be small like that but with better specs).
Portability is important to me as I really don't get the point of a laptop that isn't very portable. I'd more likely pay more for a 13" with a good graphics card/processor than for a 15" with the same specs (basically, you'd be very hard pressed to get me into a 15" unless some how you made it very portable, maybe make it really thin like the air). In fact, i have the opposite reaction of the person who said who would buy a 13"? I want to know who would buy a 17" (you want screen size just connect it to a monitor and then you can get whatever size screen you want. But for me the small screen it comes with is worth the compromise when I'm travelling/taking it somewhere for ease of portability)?
I do actually want some capability. I'd like to be able to play some games. Not the most hardcore stuff, I'd update my PC that I had put together a few years ago to play Flight Sim 2000 if I really want that. But I'd like my laptop to be able to run some games (mine can't even run Sims3, in fact on the box it specifically mentions mine's integrated graphics card as not capable. And even Sim City 4 which came out about the time of my Mac runs like crap on it). Basically, I don't care that it's the most gameworthy, but I'd like it to be somewhat capable.
I also would like better multitasking ability (I suppose I could fix this some by just adding RAM to mine, it has the basic RAM of 1 gb that can be upgraded to either 3 or 4, I thought 4 but I read somewhere recently that it was 3).
I do like the newer trackpad (mine still has a button) and I love the backlit keyboard. But these are extra luxuries that I don't see a reason to upgrade a laptop for. I'm more interested in better processor/graphics card/RAM (and ability to upgrade RAM).
So, that being said, is the current 13" any upgrade to mine for my purposes? And is it worth waiting to see if they put an i3 chip into the 13"? Or are neither really that much of an upgrade.
The u30jc is thicker, heavier and is limited to 4GB of RAM. While Apple is not perfect about their battery estimates, they tend to be better than most manufacturer and the spec page details the exact conditions under which the estimate was made. I can not find the same information for the Asus.
The Asus has more video memory and a 310M instead of a 320M.
The Asus does not appear to support digital audio output or DVI. Both support HDMI and VGA. The Apple comes in a Unibody Aluminum case and the Asus is in plastic (Yes it does matter)
Because "nobody wants to watch video on an Ipod".
In other words, Apple marketing (and the turtlenecked one) say whatever favors the gadget of the moment. New gadget, new strategy. Few fans remember that it is a 180 degree turnaround from last week's message.
I've been waiting since January and I guess it's well worth the wait. Better graphics and longer battery life? Sold.
I consistently got 5 hours out of my BlackBook until the last few months (the battery is almsot 3 years old, I'm impressed that I can still get 3.5 hours out of it). I'm pretty sure I can get 10 hours out of an MBP. It's all in how you use it. If you're blasting everything on full, then duh you're not going to get near 10 hours of battery life.
I consistently got 5 hours out of my BlackBook until the last few months (the battery is almsot 3 years old, I'm impressed that I can still get 3.5 hours out of it). I'm pretty sure I can get 10 hours out of an MBP. It's all in how you use it. If you're blasting everything on full, then duh you're not going to get near 10 hours of battery life.
Because "nobody wants to watch video on an Ipod".
In other words, Apple marketing (and the turtlenecked one) say whatever favors the gadget of the moment. New gadget, new strategy. Few fans remember that it is a 180 degree turnaround from last week's message.
That and a good example would be the MacBook Aluminum turn MacBook Pro like 6 months later. Some argued against things like FW and a SD Card reader, to only turn around and say the complete opposite when Apple included them.
The new line: Good I didn't need/want it but now all the haters/whiners can be quiet, or they will just find something else to complain about
; this is a stellar change that only Apple could provide. With a little bit of DELL IS DEAD MS IS DEAD thrown in for good measure.Don't make fun of my 17" MBP. I like the extra size and use it as a desktop replacement on the road. Your needs are obviously different, but that doesn't mean that NO ONE needs a 17".
Anyway, to answer your question. No one can give you a real answer, but here's what I'd be looking for:
- Performance of single apps. If you have single apps that you use a lot and their performance is driving you nuts, then you'd probably benefit from the upgrade. On average, the new MBP is probably at least 2 x the speed of what you have, all things considered. In considering this, include the games that are unplayable (like the one you mentioned). Also, remember that even single apps would speed up a bit by adding more RAM, but it obviously won't address video card deficiencies.
- If, OTOH, the performance of single apps is OK and you only run into difficulty when you're running multiple apps, then upgrading the memory might be sufficient. I have a 17", 2.33 GHz Core 2 Duo with 3 GB (actually, it has 4 GB, but the system only recognized 3 because of limitations in the BIOS). My system is fast enough for my needs and I'm not likely to upgrade - even though I could move up to the i7 with 8 GB of RAM so it would be an even larger upgrade than yours).
Sorry, that's not very useful advice, but there really isn't a simple answer.
If you live near an Apple Store, you might want to go in and play with the new 13" to see how you like it before making up your mind.
Don't make fun of my 17" MBP. I like the extra size and use it as a desktop replacement on the road. Your needs are obviously different, but that doesn't mean that NO ONE needs a 17".
Oh, I realize that. I think that was more lashing out at whoever said, "Who would want a 13" laptop?" Some one where portability is very important. It's kinda a pet peeve of mine that it is assumed that us who like the smaller laptops don't care about performance (I do and I have a monitor at home for my large screen needs). That kinda hit my pet peeve.
I think I'm just looking for an excuse to upgrade. I've been for at least a few months if not a year. And been very disappointed that Apple hasn't really put out anything that I drool at (this was the first time they got me to think that maybe they put out a real upgrade to my macbook).
Though the practical side of me suspects if I just wipe the hard drive, reinstall Mac OSX, and maybe install some RAM, my computer would not be driving me nuts right now (if I re-installed Mac OSX and it still ran like htis I think I'd feel more justified in wanting a new computer). Though part of me wants to upgrade cause well, I'm a gadget junky. But Apple sadly hasn't put out any laptops that seem anywhere near enough to have me drooling. This is the first update that had me go, well maybe this one is a real upgrade.
As much as I love and have become quite dependant on my macbook (I'm never going desktop again, the portability is just *so* nice, like being able to have my computer with me when I fly off to somewhere), I'm also very disappointed in it/Mac OSX at the same time. This is the first time having a Mac (since the 128k) that I've felt it needed to have a wipe/re-install (I used to be proud that it wasn't considered something you hsould do yearly like a PC, though it's taken three years for my mac to get to this point) and honestly, it is a tie between it and the Performa 6100 I had on worst quality mac I've owned (Performa had a lot of design flaws and this one has had the most things breaking of any Mac I've had). Now my G4 that I never use but still sits besides me is probably one of the best Macs I've had (and most versatile, I think it is the oldest mac that can run OSX but it was made for OS 8/9). Shoot, I still use its keyboard for my Macbook (when it's being used as a desktop)/PC.
Simple, yet brilliant and elegant idea. The size, design and effectiveness of Apple offering the 13" uMBP without internal DVD/CDRW drive is sound to increase with i5 across the lineup.
* Unibody design
* Off unit & wireless/internet Burning [external USB/FW Burner via TC/AE]
* Mac users consume so much in terms of external HDD anyway so Booting the OS via USB or WLAN Wake-On-Boot makes sense.
* A cheaper option for a 128GB -to- 256GB SSD drive will incredibly increase speed & power efficiency enough to stave off this "power-Netbooks" by Asus!
I got a funny feeling Apple's yet to be completed server farm in Illinois may soon allow full OS X install on BOOT for remote connections; even if it makes the Apple Store Genius staff a little more busy. Keeps clients in the store, they'll buy something just to pass that 1Hr time anyway.
Marketing baby - I really should've stuck with this instead of accounting in college.
I personally would not want to give up my DVD player/writer honestly. I do use it (makes for a great DVD player on the plane for example. I don't use the actual writing capability really - in fact I keep forgetting it can do that - but I do use the player capability).
And I would not want to have to store my startup CD on some outside server (unless it was my own). If nothing else I want reliable access to my startup CD and not have to rely on some server to be up.
Plus... how would that work? if your computer is not starting up, doesn't it need an OS to tell it how to connect to any internet to be able to connect to a startup CD? I admit I may not be up on things so maybe I'm wrong, but I'd think if your hard drive is dead and you're trying to get to it, not having a way of starting it up from a drive would be a very bad thing and maybe I'm wrong but I thought you had to have an OS first to get something like wifi working or however you'd connect to this theoritical outside startup disk.
And I would not want to have to store my startup CD on some outside server (unless it was my own). If nothing else I want reliable access to my startup CD and not have to rely on some server to be up.
Plus... how would that work? if your computer is not starting up, doesn't it need an OS to tell it how to connect to any internet to be able to connect to a startup CD? I admit I may not be up on things so maybe I'm wrong, but I'd think if your hard drive is dead and you're trying to get to it, not having a way of starting it up from a drive would be a very bad thing and maybe I'm wrong but I thought you had to have an OS first to get something like wifi working or however you'd connect to this theoritical outside startup disk.
You're not wrong. I was thinking about December this year timeline or OS X 10.7 with a few low sub-routines with TCP/IP stack in the ROM (writeable) to somehow wake on lan via PXE (type of Ethernet; most PC's/Mac's have this for years now = PXE that is).
I don't know the full capabilities or if EFI firmware could connect using a TcP/IP stack to get internet IP + gateway to connect to a server but this would be sweet.
DVD, I haven't purchased one in years - broke ass me. Also the lack of HEAT on that aluminum body would be a welcome 4hr+ use bonus. But you may be right. I'm always weary of using the built-in DVD on ANY laptop to be honest (just old thinking I guess). There was a point in time where even DVD/CD was not so reliable - but necessary.
And let me add, I like being able to add my music collection onto my computer from my CDs seeing as I mostly use itunes these days to listen to my music...
So yeah, I really don't want to give up my DVD/CD reader. Not a good compromise in my opinion.
So yeah, I really don't want to give up my DVD/CD reader. Not a good compromise in my opinion.