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Steve Jobs on 13-Inch MacBook Pro's Use of Intel Core 2 Duo Processors
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Okay you guys are really confusing me... so it is NOT worth to buy the 13'' mbp??????????
It's worth buying if it meets your needs, desires, and budgets better than the alternatives. No one can make that decision for you.
For MOST people, it depends on what you're doing and what you're upgrading from. If you have a fairly recent MacBook Pro and only do email and word processing, don't bother. If you have an older laptop and do things that require moderate performance, it might make sense.
Form factor (13", 15", 17") is purely a matter of personal preference. Try all three models at the Apple store and compare the prices to determine which one is right for you.
Okay you guys are really confusing me... so it is NOT worth to buy the 13'' mbp??????????
I think IT IS !!!
I don't know what you want to use it for, but for:
- everyday tasks (like officework, internet, emails, etc.)
- video editing
- audio editing
- working with Photoshop, etc.
- and light to mid-heavy gaming
it will be defenitely sufficient!!!
If you are a heavy gamer then go for a PC
If you earn your money with video/audio-production the (perhaps) go for the 15" or 17"
I think some people are always complaining... they also would, if the new 13" mbp could fly!!!
I used to write M$ in an effort to be edgy and clever, but that was before Apple took over the greed market.
I know what you mean but I got really conufused after reading some posts here...... I'm a PC user i've never used MBP before so I dont really know much about MBP....
I am university student and I'm majoring in science... I do alot of research and I download alot of music, photo editing, web surfing, checking emails etc...
I think IT IS !!!
I don't know what you want to use it for, but for:
- everyday tasks (like officework, internet, emails, etc.)
- video editing
- audio editing
- working with Photoshop, etc.
- and light to mid-heavy gaming
it will be defenitely sufficient!!!
If you are a heavy gamer then go for a PC
If you earn your money with video/audio-production the (perhaps) go for the 15" or 17"
I think some people are always complaining... they also would, if the new 13" mbp could fly!!!
Yeah I just need to use it for everyday work. I dont play games at all lol so I think I'll def buy the 13''.
Thankssss for your help. =)
I am - it was through a company discount - so it is a little disingenuous in retrospect, but not by much as the discount was merely 12%. It was a 15.6" Dell with all the specifications I mentioned but you should add $130 more to the price as that compensates for the corporate discount. I just not thought of that and was in no way trying to pull the wool over someones eyes.
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And add another $2,000 to the price to compensate for the fact that the screen is junk, reliability is well below average, and service/support is non-existent.
Does everyone agree that Apple will *eventually* add the i5/i7 to the 13" MBP? If so, I find it odd they did it for the 15" and 17" and not the 13" if they'll eventually do it anyway, rt???
Part of me still doesn't understand how a similar-wattage i5 (or better yet, a lower wattage i7) would have resulted in significantly reduced battery life.
Thoughts?
Part of me still doesn't understand how a similar-wattage i5 (or better yet, a lower wattage i7) would have resulted in significantly reduced battery life.
Thoughts?
Where are my GPU accelerated apps then?
I understand the reasoning besides sticking with core2duo, but what about the "average" customer that Apple caters to?
They do not play games besides Flash games or WoW, which are more cpu intensive and they don't do anything that requires a fast GPU.
If you're going to stick with c2d to have better gpu, at least let adobe put cuda accelerated flash on osx, use gpu to accelarate safari, photoshop, quicktime, flash, video encoding, etc. It's a shame that the 13" macbook pros cannot play 1080p MKV files natively through quicktime (plex works though), while netbooks can. A good gpu is meaningless if there aren't apps (besides games) that use them.
I understand the reasoning besides sticking with core2duo, but what about the "average" customer that Apple caters to?
They do not play games besides Flash games or WoW, which are more cpu intensive and they don't do anything that requires a fast GPU.
If you're going to stick with c2d to have better gpu, at least let adobe put cuda accelerated flash on osx, use gpu to accelarate safari, photoshop, quicktime, flash, video encoding, etc. It's a shame that the 13" macbook pros cannot play 1080p MKV files natively through quicktime (plex works though), while netbooks can. A good gpu is meaningless if there aren't apps (besides games) that use them.
Need help
I have been reading all the threads but am hoping someone can help me out. I am looking to buy my first Mac and have been planning on getting a Mac Book Pro.
I am a web & graphic designer and do photography. I currently have a great PC desktop with a large screen - so no problems there. I am looking to get a laptop so when I travel (which is a fair amount of time) I can still get work done. I would be using Photoshop and Lightroom on a regular basis.
I am looking at the 13" since it would be easier to travel with and would fit in my camera bag. I am not worried about not having a lot of screen space because if I am doing a heavy amount of work I can hook it up to my monitor. I am just trying to figure out if the new 13" will run Photoshop and Lightoom okay or if there is a big jump in the 15" performance.
I appreciate any feedback.
I have been reading all the threads but am hoping someone can help me out. I am looking to buy my first Mac and have been planning on getting a Mac Book Pro.
I am a web & graphic designer and do photography. I currently have a great PC desktop with a large screen - so no problems there. I am looking to get a laptop so when I travel (which is a fair amount of time) I can still get work done. I would be using Photoshop and Lightroom on a regular basis.
I am looking at the 13" since it would be easier to travel with and would fit in my camera bag. I am not worried about not having a lot of screen space because if I am doing a heavy amount of work I can hook it up to my monitor. I am just trying to figure out if the new 13" will run Photoshop and Lightoom okay or if there is a big jump in the 15" performance.
I appreciate any feedback.
The thing about mac is not only the technical specs, but how software and hardware are working together... And that's just great!!!
Then search for university discounts... For example: In Germany you can get the low-end 13" (with apple on campus-discount) for 1011,50 which is a discount of 140 (12%). That's what I call a deal!!!
So in my opinion the low-end 13" will suit your needs...
Pleasure!
What I will be doing is installing WIN7 on it using BOOTCAMP.
I want to be able to 1080p m2ts files on the laptop.
Would that work?? Or is it going to have issues????
My current (old) laptop won't play the 1080p files.
I want to use the computer for portable movie viewing. I want the 13" because of the "portability".
So can anyone confirm this??
Anyone have the new 13" MBP???
Want to try playing a 1080p file? Does it work smoothly?
I want to be able to 1080p m2ts files on the laptop.
Would that work?? Or is it going to have issues????
My current (old) laptop won't play the 1080p files.
I want to use the computer for portable movie viewing. I want the 13" because of the "portability".
So can anyone confirm this??
Anyone have the new 13" MBP???
Want to try playing a 1080p file? Does it work smoothly?
Wait, let me get this straight. The base model 13" got a decent speed boost in CPU, an upgraded GPU, twice the RAM, a bigger hard drive, soud out via the displayport for easy HTPC use, and nearly 50% additional power without a price increase and people are complaining because the cpu wasn't 5% faster with a i in front of it's name? Seriously?
I made a decision that my next laptop would be a mac around January, but opted to wait due to the refresh. I hated how long it got dragged out, but there was a lot updated in the 13" and it seems like a worthwhile wait. For a decent all around computer this fits the bill quite nicely. It gets enough battery life to make me consider replacing my netbook and should handle everyday tasks and then some with ease.
If I want to game or reencode a video I'll do that on my quad core i7 desktop. I'd much rather have the battery life on the macbook.
I made a decision that my next laptop would be a mac around January, but opted to wait due to the refresh. I hated how long it got dragged out, but there was a lot updated in the 13" and it seems like a worthwhile wait. For a decent all around computer this fits the bill quite nicely. It gets enough battery life to make me consider replacing my netbook and should handle everyday tasks and then some with ease.
If I want to game or reencode a video I'll do that on my quad core i7 desktop. I'd much rather have the battery life on the macbook.
Does everyone agree that Apple will *eventually* add the i5/i7 to the 13" MBP? If so, I find it odd they did it for the 15" and 17" and not the 13" if they'll eventually do it anyway, rt???
Part of me still doesn't understand how a similar-wattage i5 (or better yet, a lower wattage i7) would have resulted in significantly reduced battery life.
Thoughts?
Apple MIGHT have an i5 or i7 in future 13" MBPs, but only after the system is redesigned.
The problem is that even the i3 uses more power than the C2D (and the i5 and i7 are worse). In addition, if you choose any of the i3,5,7 series, you have to use the really lousy intel graphics or else have a separate CPU. Apple is not willing to use the lousy intel graphics, so you now have to add a discrete GPU. Now, the extra power for the CPU and GPU add heat - which must be removed, so you need to upgrade the cooling. That takes even more battery power.
Added to all of that is the fact that the insides of the 13" MBP is really cramped, anyway. It would be hard to add a discrete GPU AND extra cooling and even if you did, battery life would drop a lot-which is not a tradeoff Apple is willing to make for a very marginal CPU performance gain.
Thus, it is unlikely that we'll see a major CPU upgrade in the 13" until the next MBP redesign.
You're missing OpenCL which means that ALL apps will benefit from faster GPU. In addition, screen redraws and video will be improved, as well.
Look at the average user you're referring to. Most of them do email, surf the web, etc - so the difference between i3 and C2D would be insignificant, anyway, but would add bulk, weight, and power consumption.
I'm going to disagree with the previous poster. If you use it only occasionally, the 13" would be OK. But if you're going to use it much, I'd personally go with the 15". It's only a pound heavier and 1.6" wider, but considerably more powerful - especially if you choose the faster (7200 rpm) hard drive which isn't available on the 13". The vaster video card will help with Photoshop, as well. Personally, I travel with a 17" MBP and it's not a problem (although some smaller bags don't easily carry it). Keep in mind that a 15" MacBook Pro is a lot more portable than a comparable 15" system from some other vendors. The other thing you'll find is that the 15" is enough to be used on a regular basis. It won't replace a desktop machine for heavy lifting, but you might find yourself sitting on the back porch enjoying a peaceful evening while doing work on the 15" or 17", but probably not as much on the 13".
Uh oh, that's not what I wanted to hear!
So BootCamp hasn't been updated for the new Video card. Smells like trouble for me.
Difference between 13-inch: 2.4GHz and 13-inch: 2.66GHz
In the Apple Store:
If I upgrade the 13-inch: 2.4GHz to have a 320GB Harddrive the price becomes $1,249.00.
This should match the 13-inch: 2.66GHz option in everything but CPU.
This means for the faster CPU you pay $250
Is this correct? Are there any other differences?
Looking at the compare page it seems that they both have the Illuminated Keyboard. Am I missing something here or is $250 reasonable for a 11% faster CPU clock speed?
=B
In the Apple Store:
If I upgrade the 13-inch: 2.4GHz to have a 320GB Harddrive the price becomes $1,249.00.
This should match the 13-inch: 2.66GHz option in everything but CPU.
This means for the faster CPU you pay $250
Is this correct? Are there any other differences?
Looking at the compare page it seems that they both have the Illuminated Keyboard. Am I missing something here or is $250 reasonable for a 11% faster CPU clock speed?
=B
Yeah there are only 2 differences between the two 13" models.
Hard Drive and CPU speed.
For normal users (Emailing, Surfing, Watching vides) the 2.4 should be more than enough. If you are doing video encoding and stuff then you might want to consider the faster one.
Sorry and to answer your question...
TO ME it's not worth the extra $250.
Like I said, if ur into video encoding and stuff then it might be worth it for you.
Discussions here often tend toward the "how many angels can dance on the head of a pin" aspect.
Do you really think 260MHZ will make a big difference when you're encoding video!?
Don't think so... It will be a difference of some seconds... Not more...
changed my mind
I've decided not to purchase the new MBP because of the C2D (although i agree its still a good buy), and insted I am going to buy a Used mid 2009 MBP 2.35 4GB, with a Hitachi 500GB HD @ 7200rpm.
Is this going to be as fast as the new 2.66?
I've decided not to purchase the new MBP because of the C2D (although i agree its still a good buy), and insted I am going to buy a Used mid 2009 MBP 2.35 4GB, with a Hitachi 500GB HD @ 7200rpm.
Is this going to be as fast as the new 2.66?
Looking at your specs im glad you didnt either, you have a pretty nice setup. you didnt miss out on much.
I mean i like the update but im kinda shocked on how its not huge like people predicted.
I know he's got a 13 foot MacBook pro! That's freakin amazing! lol
For those that aren't catching it...RudyGrow's specs show 13' not 13"
13' = 13 feet
13" = 13 inches
Not trying to be rude, just thought it was a funny typo.
I've been looking forward to getting myself a 13" sometime in the future, can I ask what makes you think it's a bad size?