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Why do you say that the new HP printers are buggy? I got a brand new B110a and I love it. The printer is always connected to the Internet, ePrint works great and the Mac software works really well..

ola petvas, maybe i should edit out "new" HP printers....... of many printers i own/ed HP was the worst of them all........ ?

i'll never touch a HP printer again....
 
Because he's one of the founders of the company; he essentially helped create an entire industry from an idea in his (and Steve Wozniak's) head. It's not just that he has a "ton of money."

Yes, I have to agree with this reason. But for anyone who doesn't, we should treat even a guy we "bump into at a coffee shop" with respect, too (unless, of course, he's shown himself unworthy of it in some way).

Regrettably, our modern society has lost the sense that we need to treat *anybody* with respect anymore...
 
It's not driverless printing. The drivers are simply loaded into the device already. Love the shell game that Steve attempts to play. Perhaps he fools idiots with it, not sure.

After seeing so many posts from you I was concerned that everything posted on this website was getting you down. I was happy to discover that at least one thing makes you happy..... your 13-inch MacBook Air. I hope you aren't as bitter as your posts make you sound.

Regarding your current post... if you mean "not driverless" -- yes it is not -- its a single driver, instead of a mess of hundreds. It's comparable to ODBC in the database world to access a database: a standardized simplified interface that provides the base functionality with a single driver.

So to correct you.... "The driver is simply loaded into the device already". What this buys you (hopefully one day) is the ability to perform basic print operations to a printer you don't own and don't have a driver for without having to first install a driver.

To paraphrase Tolkien, the current-day reality of AirPrint is not "one ring to rule them all", but rather "one ring to rule 11 out of the thousands available".
 
Sounds like Apple has pulled the iOS printer sharing feature out of Mac OS X for good in order to put pressure on the printer companies to support iOS natively.

This was a strategic decision.

Why does everything with Apple have to be a battle? :rolleyes: Most of our printers are connected directly to our Mac and PCs anyway. iOS printer sharing would have been the simpliest way to address this issue.

Very few are going to purchase a new printer just print from their iPads.

No, but a $7.99 utility Printopia works like a charm for any printer. Not everything in life is free. All of you that are bitching about why Airprint is not in this release should try building some software someday. Sometimes you run into issues and rather than release something buggy (which still happens from time to time) you hold off and try to make it better so that the constant complainers don't whine as much when it doesn't work perfectly right out of the box.
 
I hardly print at the best of times. I how ever find it strange that so few printers work at launch of a new feature
 
Why the hell should anyone give a CEO any more respect than a guy you bump into at a coffee shop?

They aren't gods just because they have a ton of money.

Because it's rare that a guy in his position would even field questions like these from end users. No one is entitled to anything here, but they certainly act like they are. This guy set the wrong tone, but Steve still answered him.

Anyone who complains when a product they already bought gets new features -for free- needs to get some perspective. My iPhone just got more functionality. More is coming. No one owed me that. Thank you, Apple.
 
It's not driverless printing. The drivers are simply loaded into the device already. Love the shell game that Steve attempts to play. Perhaps he fools idiots with it, not sure.

Agree. Plus, it's not like the drivers didn't need to be installed on your (Mac) computer first before trying to use AirPrint...
 
...Where are these "drivers" stored? If you are referring to the Mac itself that does not directly effect AirPrint. The iOS 4.2.x and 10.6.5 work together for this feature, however Jobs himself and others have mentioned that it would be better if printers came with their own drivers ON the printer itself. Having a small SSD or such installed in the printer would be the way to go.

With all due respect, a few words regarding your comment...

10.6.5 and iOS 4.2 "work toghether for this feature" and yet the drivers stored on the Mac does not directly affect AirPrint :confused:

Good idea about SSD or any ways to store the drivers on the printer itself but I think the magic words in this sentence are "would be better" (as in "not there yet"). ;)
 
According to Steve Jobs, everything they do is "awesome, magical, beautiful, revolutionary, amazing, gorgeous, huge". I'm not a native speaker, but I think that Apple's marketing department urgently needs a vocabulary upgrade.
 
Sometimes you run into issues and rather than release something buggy (which still happens from time to time) you hold off and try to make it better so that the constant complainers don't whine as much when it doesn't work perfectly right out of the box.

Yeah look at Boxee Box which is reportedly plagued with issues. So much negativity being thrown around they are gonna have a hard time shaking it off. I was in the market for one until the reviews.
 
It's not driverless printing. The drivers are simply loaded into the device already. Love the shell game that Steve attempts to play. Perhaps he fools idiots with it, not sure.

There are no specific printer drivers in iOS, if it did it would bloat up the firmware.
What its using is called ePrint as the printer protocol. It is essentially a printer server hosted in the printer itself which acts as a mailserver with a random email address. All iOS does is whenever you print something it produces a PDF document, attaches the file and emails it to the printer.
 
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There are no printer drivers in iOS, if it did it would bloat up the firmware.
What its using is called ePrint as the printer protocol. It is essentially a printer server hosted in the printer itself which acts as a mailserver with a random email address. All iOS does is whenever you print something it produces a PDF document, attaches the file and emails it to the printer.

Which leaves me wondering why they don't have a print to pdf functionality on the iPad. If we can't print (unless you replace every printer you ever encounter with an ePrint one) at the very least we should be able to print to pdf and email it.
 
There are no printer drivers in iOS, if it did it would bloat up the firmware.
What its using is called ePrint as the printer protocol. It is essentially a printer server hosted in the printer itself which acts as a mailserver with a random email address. All iOS does is whenever you print something it produces a PDF document, attaches the file and emails it to the printer.

Brilliant.................but, what if people only want to print the FINE print:)
 
that's how I read it.

I feel bad. It's like everyone is misreading this but me.

It seems very clear that he does NOT mean "lots more printer support coming soon". He means "lots more supported printers coming soon"... or more to the point (and to eliminate misreading), "lots more ePrint-capable printers coming soon". Because, that's what it takes to make the jump to driverless printers.

Personally, I fault the rumored patent troll for the dropping of "shared printer" support. Shared printers is likely to be a "relic of the past" in Job's eyes, if its not easy enough offer compatibility to. Almost any hassle re-writes any backwards compatibility equation. It becomes a matter of time. As the only mobile platform offering native ePrint support, Apple's got plenty of time on their side.

Still. No one can tell me why the Galaxy Tab demoed wireless printing in September, and doesn't speak of it anymore. What's up with that?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CG8-QEyXXTM

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Why do you say that the new HP printers are buggy? I got a brand new B110a and I love it. The printer is always connected to the Internet, ePrint works great and the Mac software works really well..

Agreed.

I've got a new HP C410a and it works great. And now with AirPrint it's even better!!
 
So yesterday and the day before and the day before (and on and on) I couldn't print directly to my printer from my iPad and today I can't unless I buy a new printer. Pretty much 15 months ago I couldnt install apps on my phone without upgrading to an iPhone and suddenly this is Apple's fault? Sense of entitlement much?

If you want new features you sometimes have to pay for them. It is a bit like Ford bringing out built in bluetooth in a new car and then expecting it to be available in something you bought last year surely?

The fact that someone else has made an app available to do this at a price doesn't mean apple should give it to us for free...
 
So yesterday and the day before and the day before (and on and on) I couldn't print directly to my printer from my iPad and today I can't unless I buy a new printer. Pretty much 15 months ago I couldnt install apps on my phone without upgrading to an iPhone and suddenly this is Apple's fault? Sense of entitlement much?

If you want new features you sometimes have to pay for them. It is a bit like Ford bringing out built in bluetooth in a new car and then expecting it to be available in something you bought last year surely?

The fact that someone else has made an app available to do this at a price doesn't mean apple should give it to us for free...

It worked on previous beta OSX releases and works with a simple reinstall of some files that Apple removed on the final release. It's not a big deal if you have OSX but a bit odd for Apple to remove. Maybe the printer companies want everyone to buy a new printer.
 
That's exactly what it means.

Actually it doesn't. It's non-descript speech that accurately states more than 11 printers will be supported in the future. He doesn't say how or that it will include any existing models.

He doesn't show his customers any respect in his responses.

He replies with short and often offensive comments.

No, he does what he should, not get embroiled in long winded discussions that will force his or Apple's hand to anything. He states a concise, often non-commital, response.

The connotation that he is condescending, terse or rude is something other people have added to his words.

huh, printing: who needs it?

My thoughts exactly. I bought an iPad to not need to waste volumes of paper on pdfs of manuals and tech documents or on pictures. I want to be able to print to PDF or some other portable document, I would have thought that would have happened first.
 
I feel bad. It's like everyone is misreading this but me.

It seems very clear that he does NOT mean "lots more printer support coming soon". He means "lots more supported printers coming soon"... or more to the point (and to eliminate misreading), "lots more ePrint-capable printers coming soon". Because, that's what it takes to make the jump to driverless printers.

Yes, that is what I meant when I said that is how I read it. Lots more eprint printers coming soon.
 
He doesn't show his customers any respect in his responses.

He replies with short and often offensive comments.

At least he replies... Seriously what other CEO even cares that you exist other than that you buy the product.

Even him taking ten seconds to reply with two words in 100000x more than most would do.
 
At least there is some hope that they will fix the AirPrint let-down soon. I simply want to use my iPad to print to my Samsung laser, which is attached to my airport express.

Printopia sounded promising, but as I only have notebooks in my home, an app that needs to have my MacBook charged and awake is missing the point. I might as well email myself the doc I need and print it direct.

Maybe I got my hopes up, as I have been looking forward to this update for my iPad for months now (wasn't this all hyped up by Apple a long time ago?) No wonder people are complaining, maybe next time they should keep the hype for when they know it's going to work for the majority.

4.2.1 has some nice features - but Hell, I can't even rotate my pics in Photo without downloading a 3rd party app!! Come on Apple, more to do...
 
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