You don't understand it because Apple hasn't introduced it yet. Perhaps if you wait to hear their actual concept, you might be able to formulate a reasoned argument.
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Steve Jobs on an Apple Television: No Need for 'All These Complicated Remote Controls'
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You don't understand it because Apple hasn't introduced it yet. Perhaps if you wait to hear their actual concept, you might be able to formulate a reasoned argument.
I could imagine a lot of mischief in that scenario - TV comedians including "Siri, set the volume to maximum" or "Siri, record every episode of [that comedian's name]" in their dialog so when you watch them, they take over your TV!
I did have a real-life issue with this before, where my Mac was recognising words from my TV and occasionally responding to them. (E.g. from the TV: "We don't have time!" and my Mac responded with the current time).
I really, REALLY don't want voice-control. I've no problem if it's an option, but I'd rather use my iPad (ideal) or a nicely designed remote (unlikely, from Apple).
The iPhone was probably one of the most confusing gadgets when it first came out, since it had no buttons. I remember showing it to my grandma (same one as above) when I first got it, and she had no idea what it was. Trust me, even with Apple gadgets, there is a learning curve.
Other than your obvious knack for condescension what does your post have to do with the topic at hand ?
Nothing.
Just like this one.
Yeah, leave it to Apple to invent their proprietary solution to something that already exists :
CEC
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Then having these news stories and discussion threads is pointless right ?
We're here to discuss it. Let's try to discuss it and think about ways. But all these people that post "You just don't get it" without even providing ways that do solve the problem are kinda making it hard...
Apple: we believe yelling over people while trying to change channels is the best way
MS: no, apple is wrong, waiving your hands around like an idiot in front of ppl is the best way to change channels.
Imagine that... Being left with people who donate billions of dollars with time and energy so people can live better lives. What an awful future we have to look forward to with those lowlifes sticking around.
What an incredibly stupid thing to say.
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People are making too many assumptions about how it will work. I reckon that whatever the solution it will be a good one.
I agree with Jobs' comments about remotes. I've got 4, 3 of which are Sony - TV, Blu-ray, and Home Theatre - which have multiple functionality; you can use one to control all 3 Sony devices ... in theory. Problem is that Sony haven't thought it through properly. The HT and TV controls have no Eject button for the Blu-ray; the Blu-ray control has no Mute button; and on the HT control you have to hold the TV button while pressing the function buttons so you can't use it one-handed to control the TV.
Also, how many of the buttons on your remote(s) do you use regularly? 10%? 20% tops.
People are making too many assumptions about how it will work. I reckon that whatever the solution it will be a good one.
I agree with Jobs' comments about remotes. I've got 4, 3 of which are Sony - TV, Blu-ray, and Home Theatre - which have multiple functionality; you can use one to control all 3 Sony devices ... in theory. Problem is that Sony haven't thought it through properly. The HT and TV controls have no Eject button for the Blu-ray; the Blu-ray control has no Mute button; and on the HT control you have to hold the TV button while pressing the function buttons so you can't use it one-handed to control the TV.
Also, how many of the buttons on your remote(s) do you use regularly? 10%? 20% tops.
You're right in your case, but the population is not just based on your grandma.
yup, instead of pushing an actually physical button, you push a picture of a button
Depends, if we're talking about designing a control system for a universal remote, I'd say that's more complicated. Even using something like CEC, you have to make sure everybody is on-board with your control codes and that your design implements ways to extend itself based on connected devices.
Control protocols, auto-discovery protocols, etc.. etc.. An OS on PCs is easy, it's been done to death countless times in the last 3 decades. Show me 1 Universal remote that works perfectly and is simple to use.
If Apple solved the Universal remote equation, that's great. Let's hope they did it using industry standards like HDMI et CEC so that it's interoperable out of the box. But then I wonder, where does an actual Apple TV Set figure into all this ? The 99$ Apple TV set top box can do this.
I know. Just an example. Apple wants it to be easy for everyone, not just the tech-savvy.
Wrong Context
The fact that you are referring to channels for content or have to worry about things like the volume of the TV means you are stuck in the old way of things and trying to apply new technology to them. That's not how Steve or Apple thinks. It's simple. There's a remote with a button. The remote hears what you want to watch and then you watch it. Volume is set by the ambient noise of the room. Same with brightness of the LCD. Why would you make something complicated with channels or numbers? I suppose you still dial a telephone too?
The fact that you are referring to channels for content or have to worry about things like the volume of the TV means you are stuck in the old way of things and trying to apply new technology to them. That's not how Steve or Apple thinks. It's simple. There's a remote with a button. The remote hears what you want to watch and then you watch it. Volume is set by the ambient noise of the room. Same with brightness of the LCD. Why would you make something complicated with channels or numbers? I suppose you still dial a telephone too?
Gates's legacy - made computers affordable, put one on every office desk.
Jobs's legacy - made a dying company most profitable and the biggest.
They might not necessarily be saying that; just that all these Home Theatre devices have various complicated remote controls, and Apple believe they have a simpler solution for their device. Not "We're doing away with all complicated remote controls".
That said, an Apple TV with integrated ATV functionality, maybe DVR, and you could get rid of a lot of remotes! Perhaps just one for your AV Receiver, and Siri for everything else. At least, I'm sure that's how Apple would like it to be.
As it stands right now the Apple TV will have to work with a million other brands of peripheral that would require an amazingly large database for Siri and would be constantly expanding.
Siri would work fine for all of the Apple related functions but Apple isn't going to make home theaters anytime soon, so there will be a remote required for those functions as well.
Your home theater may be made by Samsung, LG, Pioneer, Phillips, Bose, Denon, Onkyo, Sony, any number of different manufacturers all with slightly different ways of doing things. There are dozens of different popular peripherals that people use which require unique programming.
Siri has the potential to do all of that eventually, but it seems more likely that Apple will start with a proper smart remote that can learn peripherals and simplify their use.
Just a guess, but since so many consumer electronics companies have been so slow to develop their user interface platforms that it doesn't seem like it's something that could fit under a Siri umbrella yet.
Make a home movie of yourself giving your Siri enabled TV commands. Then play that movie on your TV. What would Siri do?
Exactly...they said the same thing about the
iPod
iPhone
iPad
and we've seen how they've turned out.
People for some reason just can't think outside the box...maybe that's why they just arent in that field or creative field.
I perfectly can see where Steve is going with it and honestly cannot wait for it.
Tell that to CBS or Comcast or Time-Warner.
I've said it before and i'll say it again. The major stumbling block is not the remote. It's the cable companies,the bandwidth and the studios.
They have got some hope. I doubt they will be controllling my DENON receiver, pre-amp, Wii, XBox any time soon. To control ALL of that I have just one remote.. the Logitech Harmony. No Cr-Apple required.
Siri in an Apple TV?
SIRI in an Apple TV!?!
(face palm)
You guys don't get it. Voice commanded television will not work. Why? '
Picture yourself partying with friends using loud music, girls and booze. Or if you have a live DJ spinning, are you going to keep turning down music or such in order to talk to Siri? Only a jacka$$ would do that.
It's going to be remote by an iPod, iPad and/or iPhone. You guys already have it in your hands. However, there is one problem with that. It needs to lock on only one iDevice without other people's iphone or ipod 'interfering' with it, that is, fighting over the channels using several remote apps. The Apple TV admin has to assign one remote to only the 'household' iphone or owner of that device to prevent tampering. Period.
I've seen Remote controls on the iPhone at the Apple store for someone to navigate through Apple TV. It. already. exists. right. there. in. your. face.
If it's not remote control by an idevice, then it's likely they'll be using a basic motion detection camera similar to Kinect built-in.
Lastly, people who want to buy the new 'siri' powered Apple tv but are unable to speak from stuttering, deafness or damaged vocal cords from accidents, Apple will get a major lawsuit up their a$$ if Siri is required to navigate their tv. The only way to do that is to provide the option to TURN OFF Siri and use the 'remote' app option.
SIRI in an Apple TV!?!
(face palm)
You guys don't get it. Voice commanded television will not work. Why? '
Picture yourself partying with friends using loud music, girls and booze. Or if you have a live DJ spinning, are you going to keep turning down music or such in order to talk to Siri? Only a jacka$$ would do that.
It's going to be remote by an iPod, iPad and/or iPhone. You guys already have it in your hands. However, there is one problem with that. It needs to lock on only one iDevice without other people's iphone or ipod 'interfering' with it, that is, fighting over the channels using several remote apps. The Apple TV admin has to assign one remote to only the 'household' iphone or owner of that device to prevent tampering. Period.
I've seen Remote controls on the iPhone at the Apple store for someone to navigate through Apple TV. It. already. exists. right. there. in. your. face.
If it's not remote control by an idevice, then it's likely they'll be using a basic motion detection camera similar to Kinect built-in.
Lastly, people who want to buy the new 'siri' powered Apple tv but are unable to speak from stuttering, deafness or damaged vocal cords from accidents, Apple will get a major lawsuit up their a$$ if Siri is required to navigate their tv. The only way to do that is to provide the option to TURN OFF Siri and use the 'remote' app option.
Then having these news stories and discussion threads is pointless right ?
We're here to discuss it. Let's try to discuss it and think about ways. But all these people that post "You just don't get it" without even providing ways that do solve the problem are kinda making it hard...
Having the news story is fine. But, yes, most of the discussion is pointless. I don't know how Apple might be planning to improve the TV experience. I don't know what Steve meant about having "cracked it." And I'm not convinced that an Apple television set is a good idea versus just a more capable Apple TV. But I'm willing to reserve judgement until we have something to go on rather than say "I have a TV and a universal remote now, Apple isn't going to change anything."
I'm willing to be impressed.
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