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Steve Jobs on an Apple Television: No Need for 'All These Complicated Remote Controls'

dernhelm said:
Why does anyone think Apple would need to sell an actual screen to change the way you interact with your TV? I don't see it myself. But maybe it's all based on rumors I've been ignoring.
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Because the rumor is that Apple is making an actual TV. Frankly, all that's been talked about (Better content distribution, better remote control, Siri) can be achieved without Apple having to ship an actual TV set. So I don't see how the TV set rumors jibes with all of this or how all these other rumors support the idea of an Apple TV set.

The 99$ Apple TV box could do Siri, could do better content distribution, could do a better remote control, it could do CEC to control all your devices over HDMI, etc...

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Peace said:
Here's a possibility.

The thought just occured to me that content that travels via HDMI uses HDCP to deliver said content.

Now here's how Apple could make one remote for all those HDCP devices.

From Wikipedia :

"The system is meant to stop HDCP-encrypted content from being played on devices that do not support HDCP or which have been modified to copy HDCP content. Before sending data, a transmitting device checks that the receiver is authorized to receive it. If so, the transmitter encrypts the data to prevent eavesdropping as it flows to the receiver."

Now if HDCP requires a device to identify itself before sending the throughput couldn't the built-in Apple TV software automatically identify that device using the encrypted data sent via HDCP and tell the remote what the device is and add it to the plist file thus being able to automatically control said device ?
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What you're talking about is part of HDMI, not HDCP, and is called CEC. It already exists. HDCP just valides that there's an encrypted channel between the devices. CEC over HDMI permits controlling a device remotely from another device.
 
KnightWRX said:
Ok... What is it then ?

Who are all these people that say others are wrong and then don't offer any insight into why ?
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I call these "fortune cookie posts." A few here excel at it. They think they are posting nuggets of wisdom - but aren't.
 
waloshin said:
What's complicated with pressing a power button the changing the channel or the volume. Talking to your t.v is dumb. "Change channel" "The increase volume" "The go to channel 34". What a joke.

Besides to the person above there would be a remote with athe button to let siri know when to listen.
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Remotes used to be easy when all they had were up, down, and number buttons. Now each of my remotes has dozens of buttons controlling lots of different features, with lots of overlap. Cable menu systems are equally complicated. It would be a lot easier to say "turn on the Bears/Jets game" than to try to navigate through a menu to find out which of the 5 sports channels they might be on today, or figuring out which buttons activate my cable company's search feature.
 
ivladster said:
Same thing could be said about Voicemail on smartphones. People couldn't even imagine what would make it usable and friendly, then Apple made visual voicemail and people were like 'Ohhhhhhh,'
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The visual voicemail that Apple got sued for patent infringement on?
 
samcraig said:
That's the answer you're going with. Explain. How are remotes not practical?
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If you can do something by bypassing something means that something is nor practical to use. You can't lose Siri or drown it in beer, you don't have to change batteries, you don't need that extra thing.

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HitchHykr said:
Mind control then?

I can see the following scenario:
Me & the wife are watching TV when all of the sudden it changes to pr0n

Wife: "What happened???"
Me: "I dunno, I wasn't thinking of anything, really!"
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Mind control it is then.

P.S. I advise to think Discovery Channel next time.
 
Jerome Morrow said:
If you can do something by bypassing something means that something is nor practical to use. You can't lose Siri or drown it in beer, you don't have to change batteries, you don't need that extra thing.
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By that logic an iphone is not practical, because you can lose it and drown it in beer. The battery can go dead.
 
glap1922 said:
By that logic an iphone is not practical, because you can lose it and drown it in beer. The battery can go dead.
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Wrong. We are talking about ways you can control TV. TV can be controlled by VOICE and GESTURES and todays method - REMOTES.

You just took beer out of the context and drowned an iPhone in it.
 
Jerome Morrow said:
If you can do something by bypassing something means that something is nor practical to use. You can't lose Siri or drown it in beer, you don't have to change batteries, you don't need that extra thing.

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Mind control it is then.

P.S. I advise to think Discovery Channel next time.
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Did you read what you posted? Because you just proved that Siri - whether via a handheld device or via iPhone is also impractical.

Now if it's integrated with the actual TV which is always active listening - how's that going to work when the volume is up? Further - who is going to want to look like an idiot shouting at their tv to turn the volume down?
 
KnightWRX said:
Because the rumor is that Apple is making an actual TV. Frankly, all that's been talked about (Better content distribution, better remote control, Siri) can be achieved without Apple having to ship an actual TV set. So I don't see how the TV set rumors jibes with all of this or how all these other rumors support the idea of an Apple TV set.

The 99$ Apple TV box could do Siri, could do better content distribution, could do a better remote control, it could do CEC to control all your devices over HDMI, etc...

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What you're talking about is part of HDMI, not HDCP, and is called CEC. It already exists. HDCP just valides that there's an encrypted channel between the devices. CEC over HDMI permits controlling a device remotely from another device.
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Yes. I know it's part of HDMI. Thus the quote from wiki.

Re-read my post about identifying a device using HDCP in order to use one remote. Simply.
 
Jerome Morrow said:
Wrong. We are talking about ways you can control TV. TV can be controlled by VOICE and GESTURES and todays method - REMOTES.

You just took beer out of the context and drowned an iPhone in it.
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Wrong. TV can not be controlled by VOICE and GESTURES. That is what you are hoping will happen. You just don't like the fact that I took your explaination of why remotes are not practical and used it to show how ridiculous it is.
 
samcraig said:
Did you read what you posted? Because you just proved that Siri - whether via a handheld device or via iPhone is also impractical.

Now if it's integrated with the actual TV which is always active listening - how's that going to work when the volume is up? Further - who is going to want to look like an idiot shouting at their tv to turn the volume down?
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That's where GESTURES come in. You fail to see the concept, because you only see Siri and ignore everything else.

Yes i read what i post and a wrote that Siri alone won't be enough.

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glap1922 said:
Wrong. TV can not be controlled by VOICE and GESTURES.
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It can and it is.

That is what you are hoping will happen.
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It will.
 
Jerome Morrow said:
It will.
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Hope. You are hoping this happens. You hope that Apple will take several different technologies and integrate them into one all encompassing product that will solve the horrors that are using a remote control. You may be right, one day it may happen.
You didn't say that, you said it was possible. Present tense. It is not.
 
Jerome Morrow said:
Wrong. We are talking about ways you can control TV. TV can be controlled by VOICE and GESTURES and todays method - REMOTES.

You just took beer out of the context and drowned an iPhone in it.
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When was beer ever in context? How is it any more reasonable that a remote control will get drowned in beer than a cell phone?
 
glap1922 said:
Hope. You are hoping this happens. You hope that Apple will take several different technologies and integrate them into one all encompassing product that will solve the horrors that are using a remote control. You may be right, one day it may happen.
You didn't say that, you said it was possible. Present tense. It is not.
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Exactly.

And these innovations doesn't equate to remotes not being practical.
 
samcraig said:
Did you read what you posted? Because you just proved that Siri - whether via a handheld device or via iPhone is also impractical.

Now if it's integrated with the actual TV which is always active listening - how's that going to work when the volume is up? Further - who is going to want to look like an idiot shouting at their tv to turn the volume down?
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Think a little further outside the box. Modern noise cancellation technology can easily filter out the sound the TV itself is projecting, and listen to other sounds in the room. You wouldn't need to yell at the TV, when all it's 'hearing' is you.
 
Jerome Morrow said:
Not as in having such devices in store, No. I will point the obvious next time. Sorry.
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Saying what you mean, as opposed to making things up to make your argument seems stronger is not pointing to the obvious.
Pointing to the obvious would be saying that at some point, it is very likely that remote control technology will change drastically. The question is how far off a solution is that would be an improvement over the current remote control. Most likely, it is a ways off.
 
Jerome Morrow said:
Not as in having such devices in store, No. I will point the obvious next time. Sorry.

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It does.
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force4ever said:
Think a little further outside the box. Modern noise cancellation technology can easily filter out the sound the TV itself is projecting, and listen to other sounds in the room. You wouldn't need to yell at the TV, when all it's 'hearing' is you.
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Easily filter out? Ok - please send me a link to something that can do that today easily and accurately. Might it be possible in the future - perhaps. But supposedly this is something Steve "cracked" already.

And Jerome - just because you say it does doesn't make it true. But thanks for trying. A for effort, F for execution.
 
Jerome Morrow said:
It does.
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Your arguments are astounding. You have already claimed that things exist that actually don't, and refute anyone who disagrees with you by stating opinions (poor opinions at that) with no reasoning to back them up.
You sir, are a master debator.
 
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