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Is there a way to check the firewire chipset without opening the hardware?

You need a terminal with root access.
Then type the command dmesg.
dmesg print out the kernel console messages. This should be done on a new booted machines since the dmesg buffer is limited.
 
:rolleyes:Because there are alternatives out there, if you don't like what Apple has to offer, go buy somethign else instead of coming and complaining on the internet. It's not even like Apple decided to drop it completely, they have other machines with it, including a 999 macbook but no it's better to whine.

So we should switch to Linux. Where are the commercial applications then?
 
Apple however is the only one manufacturing laptops with OS X. This is the sticking point, if Vista wasn't a terrible performer I would start looking for another laptop offering me what Apple doesn't. I can only hope the efforts to port OS X to other machines carries on full steam ahead.
Well that won't happen seeing as the company y'all were hoping would win is settling with Apple, or maybe you can go try the hackintosh route. :D
 
People it is all really simple, what Steve said is basically true, but it all comes down to this...... They had to do something to get people buying the MacBook Pro over the MacBook. End of story! Does it suck? For some yes, but that is business for you.
Well said, some people here are just clueless about how corporations work.
 
and this is why Steve can sell macs without firewire and people take it. Most people don't even know what is on the computers.

Or maybe most people don't give a damn unlike a bunch of whiners on the net. :D
 
"my theory is why complain when there isn't much apple will do at this point"

If you don't complain now they will take it away from mbp later.
They probably will because firewire is dying but I don't think so soon, but in the near future it's gone.
 
If you really want to have the firewire 400 port on the macbook, you must give up 1 of those ports. Which one would you sacrifice? The MagSafe, Display Port, and the "kensington port" definitely have to stay.

Would you give up the ethernet port, or the 2nd USB port?

I would gladly ditch in exchange for FW400 or 800 in the following order:
1. 2nd USB port in a heartbeat
2. dvd-drive (if the external Macbook Air drive were compatible)
3. ethernet
 
So we should switch to Linux. Where are the commercial applications then?

If the users switch to linux then the commercial applications will come. But why don't oracle and IBM counts as commercial applications? There are lot of them!
But sure there are not that much for the private consumer to buy most of the needed functionality is there for free. So it's only about critical mass. Not many
hardware manufactures ignore linux any more, and Im sure that the software companies wont either very soon.
 
Please sign this petition, if you're p*ssed off about dropping the firewire from the MacBook..

http://www.PetitionOnline.com/MB1394/petition.html

Signed ;). Well folks I guess its time to max out the RAM and put larger 7200 RPM hard drives in your previous generation MacBooks! Keep them going as long as possible if you still need the firewire connectivity. I know my digital camcorder is firewire only.....
 
I would gladly ditch in exchange for FW400 or 800 in the following order:
1. 2nd USB port in a heartbeat
2. dvd-drive (if the external Macbook Air drive were compatible)
3. ethernet

Stop ditching stuff. They have to make FUNCTIONAL designs instead of being stubborn about their vain pretty looks religion.
 
The Air is a completely different story. It's a total niche product.

Although Steve said Netbooks are a nascent market, the Air is really a netbook , albeit a large one.
That is bull, netbooks are toys which should be made for small kids to play around with, the air is an actualy usable computer, why don't you try using your netbook with the screen you can't see anything on and the small keyboard as your only computer, the air can be used as an only computer. :rolleyes:
 
If the users switch to linux then the commercial applications will come. But why don't oracle and IBM counts as commercial applications? There are lot of them!
But sure there are not that much for the private consumer to buy most of the needed functionality is there for free. So it's only about critical mass. Not many
hardware manufactures ignore linux any more, and Im sure that the software companies wont either very soon.

Dream on. There's a lot of Linux users and the applications for individuals to not come, for a variety of reasons. I'm not talking about enterprise applications, which have nothing to do with what is at stake here.
 
I would give up DVD-player.

Me too. The Firewire port is FAR more useful than the DVD drive, especially if like the MacBook Air you could have an add-on if needed.

I wouldn't buy a MacBook Air because of 1) price 2) under-powered 3) lack of ports.

Not having a DVD drive would definitely not be an issue for me.

People have compared dropping Firewire is equivalent to dropping the floppy drive. With Macs having 802.11n built in, dropping the DVD drive would be far more appropriate in a laptop than dropping Firewire.

It would also help make the unit smaller and lighter - whereas dropping Firewire just helps make the unit less useful.
 
That is bull, netbooks are toys which should be made for small kids to play around with, the air is an actualy usable computer, why don't you try using your netbook with the screen you can't see anything on and the small keyboard as your only computer, the air can be used as an only computer. :rolleyes:

Who is this guy? Steve, is that you?
 
as a musician... I have a mac pro, and a macbook pro.

I would never ever ever consider running reason, logic, drums from hell, etc. on a macbook. You are creating a situation that does not exist.

Well I run Logic, with EZ Drummer on my MB, with my Saffire FIREWIRE audio interface, as a portable recording/ideas studio.

So does that make me an idiot/stupid or merely as you seem to suggest, non-existent?

And guess what? It's a PERFECT combination for my needs.


Jeez, you are arrogant. Just because YOU don't want to run these apps on a Macbook, means that no-one else should/can?


You're not Steve Jobs in disguise, are you?
 
First of all, it's not just cameras, although I will comment that the HD that comes out of most of these flash cameras is too compressed to be bothered with. What about musicians using firewire for multitrack recording? What about target disk mode for troubleshooting?

Secondly, I use USB for emergency hard disk access, not for day-to-day use. I don't want to waste a USB port when a Firewire port is faster, more reliable and isn't contending with mouse, printer, keyboard, headset, scanner, camera, memory sticks, flash video cameras, EyeTV tuner, etc. etc. for CPU time and bus space. Some people can't even get a USB headset to work on Mac Books, unless they plug into the 'good' USB socket that isn't on an internal hub with a whole lot of internal USB stuff. A headset !!

If I have a 'bag of hurt' it's USB.

Losing communication with the printer, having to unplug the EyeTV to get the signal back to 100%, iPhone refuses to work to a hub (and I have a high powered HUB 1 amp rated for the iPhone port - no good, it must be direct into the back of the computer), reformatted memory sticks, dropped camera connection - don't get me started on whether USB isn't the rock-solid, trust all your data to me, go-get-'em technology for the future...​

Maybe if you buy Apple's LOW END computers, you'll take it in the ear for Steve, after all, like the 20" iMac screens with 3 different colours for anything, depending on where you put it on the screen - they're not for professionals - suck it up - welcome to the new recession-proof Apple. If you can't spend $3000, we'd rather you bought a PC.

Apple's going to take a hit for the 'product transition', not because their margins are lower, but because nobody's going to buy a Mac Book... there's very little improvement in performance, most people are going to wait for the next models hoping THEY have something to offer.

The only people who are buying, are those with old notebooks that died and absolutely HAVE to.

While we're at it, let's start a list of everything else Apple doesn't care about now that iPhone is making money hand-over-fist
Video
Audio
Blu-ray...

wonder how long before they drop iLife...?
Yes and I will bet that they will actually sell more, as usual the whiners come and complain when Apple releases something they don't like and complain that Apple will fall but yet they are still here. :D
 
That is bull, netbooks are toys which should be made for small kids to play around with, the air is an actualy usable computer, why don't you try using your netbook with the screen you can't see anything on and the small keyboard as your only computer, the air can be used as an only computer. :rolleyes:
I don't have firewire and there fore cant not be used as an only computer. QED.
 
That's not true. The Lenovo X301 is lighter than the MacBook Air and it has DisplayPort, VGA, gigabit ehternet, stereo speakers, headphone/mic jacks, 3 USB 2.0, DVD burner, and optional WWAN besides the usual stuff.
Right and go and check the freaking price. :rolleyes:
 
tell that apple that they should stop saving a couple of bucks...
remove of remote... i dont really care but it doesnt hurt to give them to us
so how much are they saving due to the remote? 4dollars?

and i guess that the most of the macbook owner arent aware of firewire anyway...
i was once a pc user i have to admit that i nearly never used fw -_-
i guess i am not alone.
I'm sure the remote is necessary for you, they gave you an option on the remote, some things just aren't use, I have a lot of Apple remotes lying around which I don't use, why should I require more, if it's important to you, you'll pay for it.
 
:rolleyes:Because there are alternatives out there, if you don't like what Apple has to offer, go buy somethign else instead of coming and complaining on the internet. It's not even like Apple decided to drop it completely, they have other machines with it, including a 999 macbook but no it's better to whine.

As I have said before, the lack of FireWire from the current MB could be a future trend of Apple. That is what several of us are concerned about. Ditching FireWire is boneheaded because it would be taking a step back. FireWire is superior to USB in every way.
 
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