There is firewire 400 available on the Mac Pro, imac, mac mini, 900 dollar macbook, choose one.
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Steve Jobs on Lack of Firewire in MacBooks
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So now Apple is forcing you to throw out your equipment, I mean there is no other choice in the world besides Apple right?
The choice is limited if you are heavily invested in Final Cut (or Logic).
I sure will keep on drinking the kool aid.
I'm sure you weren't here when the ipod touch users had to pay to get the upgrade in Janaury, Apple users find a way to complain about everything, this is nothing new, eventually they'll get over it, like they always do.
What's cheap to you is not what is cheap to someone else, besides with record profits and growth while going "cheap" as you put, I'm sure Apple doesn't mind.
Apple has other computers with firewire on them, if you don't want any of those, you can go hackintosh.
Why is it "yesterday's solution"? Is it inadequate in some way? If so, please be more specific.
RIP, Apple *Computer*...
I almost never shut down my MacBook - much faster and more convenient to
close the lid and put it to sleep. The battery takes such a tiny hit sleeping vs
shut-down that I've always done it this way. Pop open the lid and instant-on.
Indeed. I sensed that the end was near when Apple changed their name from
Apple Computer to Apple Inc. It looks as if my worst fears are being realized...
I almost never shut down my MacBook - much faster and more convenient to
close the lid and put it to sleep. The battery takes such a tiny hit sleeping vs
shut-down that I've always done it this way. Pop open the lid and instant-on.
Indeed. I sensed that the end was near when Apple changed their name from
Apple Computer to Apple Inc. It looks as if my worst fears are being realized...
It doesn't have the most up-to-date specs. Why would anyone want to buy a past version in something that changes as fast as computer technology, unless those are satisfactory specs to you and you don't anticipate needs above that in the near future.
So what will you do when firewire is dead within a couple of years seeing as how everything is moving to USB? Will you choose not to migrate and stick with your firewire, I mean I'm sure nothing will ever come along that is better than firewire, it's futureproof.
What a load of bollocks and strawman argumentation. I never said Firewire is "future proof". I am saying that I cannot get a recorder which is up to my standards which is also using a USB-connection. I cannot get an audio interface which is up to my standard either, if I have to choose USB. Nor will I be able to connect to a slew of equipment owned by Denmark's National Broadcasting Corporation.
What will I do in five years time? Well, USB 2.0 will never be able to record in 24bit 192kHz with close to zero latency, so I won't be going USB.
I will do what it takes to keep using firewire until a better solution shows up. Until then, it's firewire all the way. Besides, it doesn't look like firewire is going away. In fact, it seems to be gaining wider and wider acceptance as the demand for higher bit rates and bigger files seem to be growing. Despite Apple's efforts to kill it off.
But again, your sole argument is that the pros should be using what the consumers use, and actually take a step back, say, oh, five to ten years in digital audio, in order to "get with the times". Yup, that sure doesn't sound like an idiotic fanboy spewing nonsense.
Actually I was but didn't see any reason to comment. As said I've been READING MacRumors for years. Regarding MacBook Air I think its perfect for suits on the run.
Dropping FW is totally different issue. It will have a huge impact on professional audio and video world if its also dropped from pro line. Pro's would have very few options other then switching to Windows.
But again, your sole argument is that the pros should be using what the consumers use, and actually take a step back, say, oh, five to ten years in digital audio, in order to "get with the times". Yup, that sure doesn't sound like an idiotic fanboy spewing nonsense.
I've been avidly reading MacRumors since Feb 2003, finally registered in 2005.
I have never felt the need to put a user into my ignore list until yesterday.
The loquacious Adjei-Troll is clearly trying to get his post count up with his
absurd rhetoric, and having fun ruffling more than a few feathers while he's at it.
Save your breath...
I think I will. At least for the time being. I wonder what he will purport to be doing for a living if we asked him?
ever notice the people with the least to say, say things the loudest?
dropping firewire was an "insanely dumb" decision by apple, and all i can hope is that the longer we make noise about it, the better chance something positive will happen. i've been using macs, and silently reading these and other forums, since 1999. it took this act of monumental stupidity to get me to actually register and post.
this week would've marked my 5th mac purchase, along with at least 4 additional macs i've convinced friends to buy. but from today forward there is no way i'm buying a macbook without firewire, and no way i will recommend them. to the trolls out there, go ahead and mock me, and others like me, but apple is the one company that benefits from user-evangelists, and ostrasizing us for a quick buck is not the way to keep growing.
[what i don't understand is the people that follow steve's decisions like lemmings, continually spouting the same lies and strawmen arguments, all the while complaining that we should just get over it, etc. why is it they can't just ignore these threads? they need to get over themselves]
I'd give a guess that 80% of consumers don't know what Firewire is.
If you're doing anything with firewire that isn't the least bit capable over USB, then you should get a MBP or the $999 MB.
Apple hasn't dropped the ball, everyone is just every Apple model to work for them. You need a small screen and fw to NLE? Ha! Good luck with that. I'd almost say you'd need at least a 17" but whatever.
If you're doing anything with firewire that isn't the least bit capable over USB, then you should get a MBP or the $999 MB.
Apple hasn't dropped the ball, everyone is just every Apple model to work for them. You need a small screen and fw to NLE? Ha! Good luck with that. I'd almost say you'd need at least a 17" but whatever.
Hear, hear!
Been reading the forums for years, but only registered because of this ridiculous move by Apple.
Mac user since 1987, Windows user since 1990, FreeBSD user since 1999. My loyalties lie with no one, so put firewire back in or my money goes elsewhere.
P.S.- ++ to the user who pointed out the ignore-user feature for trolls with fat pieholes.
jackasss.Arg! If I see one more post like this, I think I'll pull my hair out.
The $999 mac is yesterday's technology. The MBP is too large. Audio and video professionals prefer the small form factor for location work.
But as to your comment about editing on a small display, I can connect it to my 32" monitor if I wanted to edit from it.
And I have edited on the road with my 12" Powerbook. It's certainly not impossible.
Lastly, I don't need advice from someone who obviously doesn't know anything about professional video on what is the best path to take for my business.
That's the thing! I'm not a pro user by any stretch. But I do edit home videos, and have been for years. iMovie is (or was, by recent accounts of the latest versions) completely adequate to the task, and was heavily advertised by Apple for years as being a personal computer for everyday people to edit videos, etc. If 80% of the users out there don't know what firewire is, then the whole iLife suite has been a pointless marketing exercise. Until recently, you simply couldn't get video into your Mac without firewire.
You're absolutely correct! iMovie was one of the selling points of the Mac and for serious hobbyists it was a great solution. And, if you wanted to upgrade you could get MB with FCE installed. And the irony of it all is that they still offer that with the new MB, but FCE captures video through...you guessed it, firewire, which it doesn't have.
I was kind of thinking the same. I would love to know what these fanboys in general are doing. Are they actually using Mac's in their work and if they are what is their field of work. If I have to make a guess I would say majority of them are kids or students wanting to be creatives or they just jumped in for the "cool factor".
Maybe you can explain why the last 10 years have put nothing but junk on TV.
You're right, I know nothing about video editing and don't care. My "pro" work is engineering.
If you have a set of $3000 cameras why the **** are you whining about a $1299 laptop? My point seems even more and more true here.
I am not an Apple fanboy, I'm also not an apologist, it's obvious they screwed up but the majority of the bitching and whining on this board is either from people who probably can't afford the $1299 laptop to begin with, or who can afford the Pro and *SHOULD* get the Pro because that's how Apple's marketing department was set up.
Before you tell me you wanted a smaller 13" portable, how useful would a last-gen MacBook be to you anyway? The orange peel LCD and the goofy Intel controller were a terrible combination, it could eventually become capable of shooting flames out the ass end if you were doing a decent amount of video editing anyway, not that you could with the pathetic 1280x800 screen. [Or whatever res it is]
I have a PBG4 and a MacBook, I've used a few MBPs and while I don't have any $3000 cameras, I just don't see your point.
The survival of Apple doesn't rest with those who have bought Macs, but rather the people who will buy Macs. They seem to be interested in expanding their market share, and I'm sure there was an internal study and the results stated that the amount of people using FW on Macbooks was small enough to percipitate this move. People are upset, they wanted the new Macbook (or can't afford the Macbook Pro) that's understandable, but I also think that people give themselves too much credit on how important they are to a large corporation. Apple has it's goals and plans to reach them, maybe they'll relent, but I doubt it.
Ask the tv-producers and writers.
Good.
Ever heard about form factor (being an engineer and all), and that what comes in comes out? The latter is the most important, as that will dictate what the quality of the end product will be. Besides, if you think US$3000 is expensive for a video camera - especially if you want to be able to get (semi-) broadcast quality , think again.
Also, of course – tying in to the above - there's the question of priorities.
In a pinch I can use a pda to edit much of my day-to-day audio on, but if record with the same sort of low-quality equipment (blah), then it doesn't matter how and what I do in post – it will suck anyway you look at it.
I'm sure it's true that Apple studied the numbers and made their decision to drop firewire. But even if their goal these days is purely to increase market share, that doesn't mean they made the correct one. All companies make poor decisions and people tend to give too much credit to corporate decisions; Apple has a history if missteps just like any other company. Time will tell how smart this decision was. The new laptops were long overdue and there will be significant sales early on for purely aesthetic reasons; its the mid-term that will demonstrate the wisdom of their strategy.
There's no failure in logic and I'm not whining about a $1299 laptop (although six months ago I spent less than that on an excellent PC laptop that had the specs of a MBP). As I have stated in this thread repeatedly, I want the 13" form factor for field work. Apple doesn't make a 13" MBP. If they did, and it had firewire, I wouldn't be saying anything. But, why would any business want to spend more on a product (MBP) that would be no more capable for their purposes than a lesser priced product (MB) it it had firewire? I'm in business to make money, not waste it. And I would still think it was a big loss for the serious hobbyist who wanted an affordable Mac notebook to edit video on. If it's not a video machine, why does Apple offer FCE preinstalled, a NLE that captures video through firewire.