Steve Jobs on Stolen Prototype iPhone: Not Going to Let It Slide.

[cvaldes]

he's not a journalist.

he was an unemployed nobody that just blogs

these guys don't deserve the title of a journalist IMO

I'm sorry, but Nick probably thinks of his employees as journalists.

He was being paid by Gawker Media while he was reporting/blogging/whatever for Gizmodo. What he did before Gizmodo is irrelevant to the discussion. Please stay on topic.

 

[marksman]

I just don't understand what could be going through Jason Chen's mind. He honestly should have known better.
=

I know what is going through his mind after seeing what Jobs said about this...

"Mommy please hold me."

 

[zioxide]

it's not gizmodo's fault that stupid apple employee got drunk and lost his phone.

guy forgetting/losing his phone in a bar != stolen


this site is so biased towards apple it's not funny

 

[marksman]

has the stupid ass that lost the iphone (to begin with) been canned by apple? that caused this whole shenanigans to begin with - they should of fired his ass, then gone after gizmodo.

I am going to steal your Acura and then hope your parents or employer fire you?

 

[grs]

Steve on whether the phone was lost or stolen

Here's an interesting quote from the CNet article:

"There is a debate of whether it was left in a bar or stolen out of his bag," Jobs said.

I've been wondering about that myself, especially given the information in the affidavit for search warrant indicating that Brian Hogan, the guy who found the phone, was technically knowledgeable and understood that he possessed a valuable piece of technology.

 

[marksman]

A huge corporation crushing some stupid kid, what a heart warming story, why would anyone want to drop that?

JC is that you? registration date makes sense. Username makes sense.

 

[cvaldes]

it's not gizmodo's fault that stupid apple employee got drunk and lost his phone.

guy forgetting/losing his phone in a bar != stolen

California law has regulations about returning property to its rightful owner.

By purchasing the prototype that clearly belonged to Apple, plus deliberately withholding its return after they found additional evidence of the owner's identity, employees of Gawker Media behaved in a manner that is actionable under California law.

Note: we have no record of Gray Powell's BAC levels from that evening.

I suggest you stay in Massachusetts until you have read California's civil and criminal code.

Please visit once you have done so or once you have accepted that you are subject to California state laws even if you haven't read them.

Thanks!

 

[thesmileman]

********. They published that it was apples phone. They received a phone call from steve jobs himself. There was zero doubt, and chen is going to jail.

I think you clearly didn't read my response. You just seem so angry about it all. To say he is going to jail and there was zero doubt is very hard to prove but it is very easy to say on a forum. If it does go to court I doubt he will ever go to jail. They will likely sue his company. Settle down waffle boy and you will be a lot happier.

 

[AidenShaw]

Apple should have denied everything. People would have thought the story was fake if Apple had let it slide and now have dig themselves into a PR hole. The majority ( out side of this forum - regular people not Fanboys ) of people I expect would side with Gizmodo, being the underdog, and consider Apple being overly aggressive.

Exactly. If Apple had ignored the story, it would have been dismissed as a fake.

Instead, Apple is trying to milk the PR bonanza - but in reality is being labeled as "The Man".

Yes, The Lord God Jobs should have listened to his advisors.

 

[bigandtasty]

Sitting here on my iPad in a power outage tethered to the iPhone on Macrumors reding the posts.

If I were Jason Chen and read the highlights from the interview this evening, I would be so worried!

Here's to a good nights sleep Jason! Spend the extra coin on the soap on a rope!

 

[thesmileman]

Exactly. If Apple had ignored the story, it would have been dismissed as a fake.

Instead, Apple is trying to milk the PR bonanza - but in reality is being labeled as "The Man".

Yes, The Lord God Jobs should have listened to his advisors.

Agreed x 2

 

[cmaier]

I think you clearly didn't read my response. You just seem so angry about it all. To say he is going to jail and there was zero doubt is very hard to prove but it is very easy to say on a forum. If it does go to court I doubt he will ever go to jail. They will likely sue his company. Settle down waffle boy and you will be a lot happier.

I am not angry. I just understand California law better than most posters.

 

[Atkins]

Then quit Steve! J/k

Lol. Whatever.

I know I'm going to annoy a lot of people by saying this, but I agree with his advisers.

You'll annoy less if you state your point.

You shouldn't, but be gentle. Remember, in part it was because they were so passionate about Apple products that the did a stupid thing...

They were passionate about money mostly...

This is such BS.
What did Gizmodo try to extort from Apple?

The letter of ownership. While they knew 1.the engineer's name and 2.that it was an Apple prototype.

I honestly doubt a letter stating ownership of the phone = extortion.

If you take it out of context - no. But put it back and it sounds differently.

Apple should have denied everything. People would have thought the story was fake if Apple had let it slide and now have dig themselves into a PR hole.

This PR hole is not as deep as you think. You are asking Apple to let slide a crime so as to not have bad PR?

The majority ( out side of this forum - regular people not Fanboys ) of people I expect would side with Gizmodo, being the underdog, and consider Apple being overly aggressive.

The majority doesn't care in fact. Also, the majority should just inform themselves.

Which core value would that be? An eye for an eye?
To be frank, I'm perfectly okay if he's doing it for; revenge, to teach them a lesson or to set an example. But wrapping it up in warm fuzzy talk about "core values" sounds a bit incongruous.

It's exactly core values. I don't see how going through the system is an eye for an eye.

Just remember that we haven't heard the full story, just lots of tech news coverage that, given their track record, is probably as wrong as it is right. Wait until the whole story is told, and only then draw judgment.

We have the whole affidavit!

has the stupid ass that lost the iphone (to begin with) been canned by apple? that caused this whole shenanigans to begin with - they should of fired his ass, then gone after gizmodo.

This is up to Apple. Losing an d stealing aren't the same thing.

im not really sure it qualifies as stolen property, to me anyway.

No offense, but nobody cares about your opinion - there's a law.

the developer lost it. the guy who found it made a reasonable effort to return it, to no avail.

Nonsense. Read the affidavit.

could he have done more to try to return it? sure, but if you got offered 5 grand for it you would have done the exact same thing in selling it.

And suffer the same consequences.

i think its not worth it at all for steve to go after chen. chen did what any journalist in his position would have done, and its not like after apple asked for it he said no.

Other journalists were contacted - they didn't do it. Maybe they were smarter.

its not going to make apple look good, its not going to make up anything that was lost (profit or otherwise), all hes going to be doing is ruining some kid who caught a lucky breaks life.

But it will bring criminals to justice...

I would hate to have Steve change his core values like bastardizing his son and taking the credit for so many of other peoples ideas and inventions.
Sometimes your core values suck and need to change.

Sue him then.

again if a law was broken then that azn guy would of been tossed in jail.
he found a phone - i could of claimed it was mine.
of course a letter was necessary to ensure that it was going back to the proper owner.

What a nonsense. Read the affidavit.

and you are a fanboy - guess you both lose.

That's supposed to be a counter-argument of some sort? lol.

I think as a blogger he was doing his job. to report on gadgets. It would have been a great disservice to the community if he just returned it without sharing any pictures.

Disservice to the community? WTF are you talking about? He can report all he wants. He can't buy stolen property knowingly and he can't destroy it afterwards and post images of it when he knows it's a prototype.

Would you still have issue with that? if he just took pictures and no $$$$$ exchanged hands?

Yes. He knew it's an Apple prototype. But this is something Apple could let slide.

BTW Chen was not found guilty of any crime.

It's not over yet.

 

[Nebrie]

Jason Chen also tried to extort press access out of Jobs in the same conversation.

 

[stagi]

Just remember that we haven't heard the full story, just lots of tech news coverage that, given their track record, is probably as wrong as it is right. Wait until the whole story is told, and only then draw judgment.

True I am sure there is much more to it than anyone has said so far. The news always has an angle and the truth is muddied somewhere in between the stories.

 

[Nebrie]

im not really sure it qualifies as stolen property, to me anyway. the developer lost it. the guy who found it made a reasonable effort to return it, to no avail. could he have done more to try to return it? sure, but if you got offered 5 grand for it you would have done the exact same thing in selling it.

i think its not worth it at all for steve to go after chen. chen did what any journalist in his position would have done, and its not like after apple asked for it he said no. its not going to make apple look good, its not going to make up anything that was lost (profit or otherwise), all hes going to be doing is ruining some kid who caught a lucky breaks life.

Exactly what reasonable effort was that? It certainty was not in the police report. In fact, the roommate was able to get to the head of Apple Security the next day without a problem only shows that no reasonable effort was made.

 

[cvaldes]

Exactly. If Apple had ignored the story, it would have been dismissed as a fake.

Your memory and logic both suck. This thing blew up before Apple put their foot down.

The Gizmodo iPhone prototype photos closely resembled previous images. Plus, the story was marginally credible.

 

[Hal Itosis]

Wait... what iPhone? And who is this "Gizmo Chen" of which you speak?

[ oh no u didnt ]

 

[TheAppleGeek]

Wait... what iPhone? And who is this "Gizmo Chen" of which you speak?

[ oh no u didnt ]

Not trying to be rude, but seriously? You haven't heard about the new iPhone?

 

[SG1-1]

I think you clearly didn't read my response. You just seem so angry about it all. To say he is going to jail and there was zero doubt is very hard to prove but it is very easy to say on a forum. If it does go to court I doubt he will ever go to jail. They will likely sue his company. Settle down waffle boy and you will be a lot happier.

thesmileman,

You are aware that cmaier is a Practicing Attorney, And has proven to be correct more times then can be mentioned.

Maybe you should Read some past posts from cmaier to refreshen your finger pointing assumption jumping demeanor.

Facts are if you would read the affidavit and other court documents you might just see why this is going to the way of the Jail house.

So far their are 3 felonies against are beloved crackpots at Gizmodo and more to come.

You will seldom see a plea-bargain in a Extortion case if this is the way it is going, There will be jail time, How Much is anyones guess for now until formal charges are completed by the D.A.

California law is more Strict due to Corporate Espionage and stealing of Company Secrets.

If you spend some time you will see California has some of the most Sever laws concerning Theft and this type of Thievery on the Books.

 

[erio]

Agreed x 2

douche x 2

 

[marksman]

The funniest thing still about the whole thing is to think back about when the story first broke and those pictures were posted and most people here and elsewhere called them fakes and dismissed them.

Jason Chen got so upset his evil genius plan didn't work and everyone was calling him a liar that he had to spill the beans publicly to prove it. Haha. I still crack up thinking about how red-faced and steamed-ears he must have gotten when everyone online went.. pfft.. fake fake fake.

Then he got up, stomped around and probably said, "I'll show them. How dare they say this is a fake. I am Jason Chen and they will take me seriously!"

Bloggy blog blog.... Listen People of Gizmodoville, this is NOT fake! I can prove it! I paid good money for this phone. I can even tell you who the phone was stolen from!

HAHA... man.. it is so funny... It really cracks me up. Seriously. It is one of the funniest things ever. Seeing someone so eagerly destroy themselves simply because people thought the pictures he posted were fake. It is the epitome of an online dirt bag.

 

[HyperZboy]

Core values my ass. Of course the employee is going to say the phone was stolen from his bag. DUH!

Wouldn't you to save your job working under someone notoriously tyrannical as Steve Jobs?
I'd say I was held at gun point for christ sakes! LOL

I think this makes Steve Jobs and Apple look petty.
Apple wasn't really hurt much, the employee doesn't deserve to be fired.
SHT happens.

Having a Soviet era style home invasion of a journalist at Apple's request by police is just beyond ridiculous and a bit scary.

This ones gonna come back to bite Steve in the ass. Mark my words.

 

[HyperZboy]

release the hounds...

I'm lovin it.

Too funny. ​

 

[macfan881]

Core values my ass. Of course the employee is going to say the phone was stolen from his bag. DUH!

Wouldn't you to save your job working under someone notoriously tyrannical as Steve Jobs?
I'd say I was held at gun point for christ sakes! LOL

I think this makes Steve Jobs and Apple look petty.
Apple wasn't really hurt much, the employee doesn't deserve to be fired.
SHT happens.

Having a Soviet era style home invasion of a journalist at Apple's request by police is just beyond ridiculous and a bit scary.

This ones gonna come back to bite Steve in the ass. Mark my words.

Gizmodo got every F'n thing they deserved they pulled to much of this bs in the past and I'm finally glad they got what was coming to them.