Got a tip for us?
Let us know
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Steve Jobs Product Teasers
- Thread starter MacRumors
- Start date
- Sort by reaction score
Apple Office app
I would like to hear the announcement of an integrated Office app.
A packaged suite to take the place of MS Office.
And be at least as strong as the MS Office suite.
Keynote "on steroids", not just a few different eye-candy transitions not available in PowerPoint.
And a powerful word processor that saves as .doc.
And a spreadsheet with all of the Excel features, and saves as .xls.
And a database program that does Project.
... and it's all integrated into one Suite.
=-=
All of the new laptops and desktop towers are a moot point if they don't do something useful in the real world Office.
=-=
JJ
I would like to hear the announcement of an integrated Office app.
A packaged suite to take the place of MS Office.
And be at least as strong as the MS Office suite.
Keynote "on steroids", not just a few different eye-candy transitions not available in PowerPoint.
And a powerful word processor that saves as .doc.
And a spreadsheet with all of the Excel features, and saves as .xls.
And a database program that does Project.
... and it's all integrated into one Suite.
=-=
All of the new laptops and desktop towers are a moot point if they don't do something useful in the real world Office.
=-=
JJ
Re: Re: Apple Office app
Office for X lacks a database which is a real weakness. There was talk about a year ago about bringing Visual Basic support to Realbasic, the crossplatform programming language. And what is one of the major componants of Access? Visual Basic! Not to mention there is even a Visual Basic extension in older versions of Microsoft Excel for the Mac. So the question becomes, can Microsoft overcome their pride and finally release Access for the Mac? Or will Apple team with Realbasic and release their own Access compatible version of Filemaker together in an Office suite for the Mac? Only time will tell.
Office for X lacks a database which is a real weakness. There was talk about a year ago about bringing Visual Basic support to Realbasic, the crossplatform programming language. And what is one of the major componants of Access? Visual Basic! Not to mention there is even a Visual Basic extension in older versions of Microsoft Excel for the Mac. So the question becomes, can Microsoft overcome their pride and finally release Access for the Mac? Or will Apple team with Realbasic and release their own Access compatible version of Filemaker together in an Office suite for the Mac? Only time will tell.
Re: Apple Office app
With efforts such as KOffice, OpenOffice, and StarOffice floating around, I would like to see a standard document format not tied to Microsoft's document formats. Maybe something like XMLTeX for word processors.
I would like to see a strong replacement to the office applications, but I think Apple will have to go slowly. The Office suite has well over a decade of development and probably billions of dollars pumped into it. Replacing that will not be easy.
With efforts such as KOffice, OpenOffice, and StarOffice floating around, I would like to see a standard document format not tied to Microsoft's document formats. Maybe something like XMLTeX for word processors.
I doubt if there will be an Apple version of Office since MS is announcing an updated version during the show. Steve has better manners, at least in public.
The keynote is only 2 hours, with - probably 20% going to reviewing product performances. That limits the time available for new announcements - pity.
The interesting thing is the number of potential announcements that we have all thought of. Major software upgrades, a cheap iPod (and a color iPod), the new 90 nm G5 in everything from the PMs to iMacs (plus headless iMacs), new displays and a mystery box. Sad that the keynote isn't 4 hours.
The one thing we know is that it is a great time to be a Mac lover.
The keynote is only 2 hours, with - probably 20% going to reviewing product performances. That limits the time available for new announcements - pity.
The interesting thing is the number of potential announcements that we have all thought of. Major software upgrades, a cheap iPod (and a color iPod), the new 90 nm G5 in everything from the PMs to iMacs (plus headless iMacs), new displays and a mystery box. Sad that the keynote isn't 4 hours.
The one thing we know is that it is a great time to be a Mac lover.
i remember watching teh keynote last year at work. several friends/coworkers gathered around and were amazed at Jobs' passion and enthusiasm. has anyone seen Gates address the public? Not a pretty sight.
You guys have been soaking in Steve's RDF way too long. Yeah he's a better salesman than Gates, but so what? Steve is preaching to the choir, anyways. He should be directing that great charisma of his at corporate and institutional clients, instead of just rock stars and the Mac faithful.
We will never tire of listening to our beloved Steve. It is important for him to talk to the Mac faithful, builds of enthusiasm for products. It is a great time to be in his glory and revel with the Mac successes. Steve can only visit so many executives, so it is to the faithful to encourage others.
How about Steve Balmer? I have seen him get so worked up I was afraid he was going to have a heart attack on stage.
I also remember Bill Gates nearly bringing down the house once. Oh wait, that was an earthquake in Seattle during his presentation. Never mind.
Well i don't think Microsoft are lame during presentations.
Have you seen Steve Ballmer?
I love this company
Have you seen Steve Ballmer?
I love this company
As long as I/you know its a reality distortion field, I think its fine.
More importantly, I think Steve's enthusiasm has helped get the Mac faithful through very tough times. Remember seeing Michael Spindler or Gil Amelio give a Keynote. Terrible.
By the way, I was in a meeting with some people from National Semiconductor soon after Amelio left there to lead Apple, and they said as soon as he left they removed his book "Profit from Experience" from the company bookstore. Apparently Amelio lived in his own RDF regarding his own greatness.
officially, the keynote is scheduled for 9:00 am - 10:30 am. But they tend to start a bit later and run longer. I'd say you're looking at 2 hours...
http://www.macworldexpo.com/macworldexposf/V40/index.cvn?id=10017&p_navID=8
Re: Apple Office app
This could actually work. XP running on a virtual PC works but isn't fast enough - but to REALLY fly they could easily (?) recompile some XP code for the PowerPC chip. They could do the same with Access, and even add an option to their Visual C++ compilers to compile for Mac via VirtualPC" so that other developers could do the same.
On a further note - How much does Dell pay for each copy of XP? There was a rumour that Virtual PC was going to be bundled on every Mac... I can see some good in this:
Good for MS:
1. They have Windows on every computer - Intel or Mac. (I know, there's Linux.. but bear with me).
2. MS says to developers "use our compilers to run on Windows or Mac"
3. They have a single code base for Office on Mac & Windows.
4. Apple getting bigger doesn't bother Microsoft at all.
Good for Apple:
1. Office keeps working for ever.
2. EVERY Windows program works on Mac.
3. Apple sells more computers.
The bad points for MS are that more people may move to Mac - which makes them less dependent on Windows.. sort of!
The bad for Apple is that the look and feel gets hit. Hard. And developers may leave and just use MS. With Apple making more and more of their own applications this may have been inevitable. However, they'd need to have an integrated look for it to truly work.
Maybe this thread isn't the place for it - but I wouldn't be surprised if MS sells Office Pro for the Mac, with Access running on Virtual PC.
This could actually work. XP running on a virtual PC works but isn't fast enough - but to REALLY fly they could easily (?) recompile some XP code for the PowerPC chip. They could do the same with Access, and even add an option to their Visual C++ compilers to compile for Mac via VirtualPC" so that other developers could do the same.
On a further note - How much does Dell pay for each copy of XP? There was a rumour that Virtual PC was going to be bundled on every Mac... I can see some good in this:
Good for MS:
1. They have Windows on every computer - Intel or Mac. (I know, there's Linux.. but bear with me).
2. MS says to developers "use our compilers to run on Windows or Mac"
3. They have a single code base for Office on Mac & Windows.
4. Apple getting bigger doesn't bother Microsoft at all.
Good for Apple:
1. Office keeps working for ever.
2. EVERY Windows program works on Mac.
3. Apple sells more computers.
The bad points for MS are that more people may move to Mac - which makes them less dependent on Windows.. sort of!
The bad for Apple is that the look and feel gets hit. Hard. And developers may leave and just use MS. With Apple making more and more of their own applications this may have been inevitable. However, they'd need to have an integrated look for it to truly work.
Re: coining the phrase...
I think that sums things up quite nicely. I guess I'll have to break out a cigarette after the Keynote. Ahh...
I think that sums things up quite nicely. I guess I'll have to break out a cigarette after the Keynote. Ahh...
one of the points I was trying to make was that owning a mac is fun. the hardware, software, and even the conferences!
it has been like culture shock for my coworkers/friends to see how enjoyable owning a computer can be.
it has been like culture shock for my coworkers/friends to see how enjoyable owning a computer can be.
MacOSRumors - more things to come...
From MacOSRumors:
"Not impressed by MWSF? Well then you're in luck. The usual whiners and crybabies have come pouring out of the woodwork to decry MWSF 2004 as a "snoozefest" among other colorful adjectives; whether you agree with them or not, Apple has heard them loud and clear. Senior Apple personalities who have been roaming the show floor post-keynote have been overheard pointedly dropping hints of an Apple event later in the month that will update the PowerMac G5 and at least one other Mac along with it -- and the upgrades will be "even more ambitious than what the rumor sites would have you expect"....!"
Check link:http://www.macosrumors.com/
Any idea what they are thinking of? Which rumor site do they have in mind...? What on earth is coming?
From MacOSRumors:
"Not impressed by MWSF? Well then you're in luck. The usual whiners and crybabies have come pouring out of the woodwork to decry MWSF 2004 as a "snoozefest" among other colorful adjectives; whether you agree with them or not, Apple has heard them loud and clear. Senior Apple personalities who have been roaming the show floor post-keynote have been overheard pointedly dropping hints of an Apple event later in the month that will update the PowerMac G5 and at least one other Mac along with it -- and the upgrades will be "even more ambitious than what the rumor sites would have you expect"....!"
Check link:http://www.macosrumors.com/
Any idea what they are thinking of? Which rumor site do they have in mind...? What on earth is coming?
Re: MacOSRumors - more things to come...
Really folks, Garageband is an application some people would pay $700 for Reason to get. Now Apple offers it for $50 including iDVD, iTunes, iPhoto, and iMovie. I think Apple has hit a home run with the Macworld, but some people obviously have bad ears and complain about not getting exactly what they want.
Really folks, Garageband is an application some people would pay $700 for Reason to get. Now Apple offers it for $50 including iDVD, iTunes, iPhoto, and iMovie. I think Apple has hit a home run with the Macworld, but some people obviously have bad ears and complain about not getting exactly what they want.
Re: Apple Office app
Well I'll be darned: the new Office app is MS Office 2004.
... probably only works in VPC 7.
AND
a new iLife for when I'm not in the real world.
I will wait until next Friday to verify that iDVD '04 will install on my non-DVD equipped G4-733. Steve said that the new iDVD could build DVD's on a non-DVD equipped Mac.
=-=
JJ
Well I'll be darned: the new Office app is MS Office 2004.
... probably only works in VPC 7.
AND
a new iLife for when I'm not in the real world.
I will wait until next Friday to verify that iDVD '04 will install on my non-DVD equipped G4-733. Steve said that the new iDVD could build DVD's on a non-DVD equipped Mac.
=-=
JJ