Wow. Get with the times. You can play an MP3 on an MP3 player and play a AAC (MP4) on a AAC player. Songs have not been sold with DRM for some time and if you wanted to, you could burn the DRM'ed versions to CD and rip it to any format you choose.
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You're incorrect. Other companies have made and sold games that work on things like Nintendo systems. It used to be fairly common back in the days of the original Nintendo. They all got sued and forced to stop.
Video games work the way they do because of the legal system. Not because some video game 'standard' doesn't exist.
Grounds for a Countersuit
"In particular, Apple's efforts to thwart RealNetworks' reverse engineering of FairPlay..."
... which, itself, is a violation of the DMCA of 1998.
"In particular, Apple's efforts to thwart RealNetworks' reverse engineering of FairPlay..."
... which, itself, is a violation of the DMCA of 1998.
I thought that most of the implementations were actually legal since none of the systems have any sort of a lock-out chip that was not publicly available to the masses. Nintendo wised up and implemented a lockout chip to control third party development that got out of hand back in the Atari days. A couple of companies released unauthorized games that used a pass-through device (I think that they sold religious themed games) to bypass the chip.
Videogames "work the way they do" because systems are architecturally different, from hardware to system software, and developers have the free-market right (for now) to choose on which channel they want to launch their work.
But, it wasn't an MP3. They were DRMed AAC files. Despite the relation of MP3 to AAC, they are not The Same.
I put an LS2 with a TR6060 in my G35 coupe and so far no one from Nissan has kicked down my door.
That is the legal gray zone this lawsuit covers. When you buy digital downloads from a portal, is there a consumer right to play it on different players?
Be interesting if the bring up the history of different speeds of vinyl record players. When vinyl disks started, one brand was 33 RPM while another was 45 RPM. Different labels were in business with different record company players (the big wigs often had common board seats) and thus you needed to by a 45 RPM record for a 45 RPM player. Then makers came out with players that could switch from 33 RPM to 45 RPM. There was actually a suit over players with the 33 RPM / 45 RPM switch covering copyright infringement.
Of course now the technology is much more sophisticated but the mindset is the same.
I hope Apple losses and is force to remove the DRM from there older files for free and refund anyone who paid to remove the DRM.
It pisses me off to no end that I have to pay 30 cents per files to remove Apple DRM on my older stuff.
That and for video files they are forced to license out the fairplay DRM. I firmly believe Apple is abusing its DRM power to keep people trapped in the Apple ecosystem.
Leaving the Ecosystem requires you giving up as much as possible of anything you bought from Apple.
The iPod, AppleTV for example play a VERY VERY limited file formate and does not support the more common codex out there like Xvid that is widely used by out there in files. I know my 360 can play them just fine. Android phones can play them just fine but I have to jump threw hoops and reencode anything I want to play on my iPod or on an Apple TV.
It pisses me off to no end that I have to pay 30 cents per files to remove Apple DRM on my older stuff.
That and for video files they are forced to license out the fairplay DRM. I firmly believe Apple is abusing its DRM power to keep people trapped in the Apple ecosystem.
Leaving the Ecosystem requires you giving up as much as possible of anything you bought from Apple.
The iPod, AppleTV for example play a VERY VERY limited file formate and does not support the more common codex out there like Xvid that is widely used by out there in files. I know my 360 can play them just fine. Android phones can play them just fine but I have to jump threw hoops and reencode anything I want to play on my iPod or on an Apple TV.
If GM released an update to the engine control module for the LS2 and it rendered your Nissan mod inoperable, do you think you should be able to sue GM?
BTW, I have an LS2 myself but it is only in a Holden, I mean GTO.
Actually, at the moment, given your example, you've got it backwards. Getting ito the ecosystem is what costs you. You have to re-encode your video files.
Beyond that, every other ecosystem is pretty much the same. If you went from Android to webOS, you wouldn't be able to bring your apps with you. (I'm not sure which forms of DRM those to use, so this next statement is conjectural) And movies that have Android DRM aren't going to play in your webOS player. Etc. And the same is true if you're moving from Android to iOS. Or webOS to Android. Or webOS to iOS. Or iOS to either of the others. Or to or from QNX(?) on the BB PlayBook.
The point is, if anything, iOS is actually easier to get out of than into, for precisely the reason that you cited. If anything, because of the preponderance of devices running iOS, it is easier to move your content around, both DRMed and non-DRMed, among your devices, if you are in the iOS ecosystem.
And, incidentally, the iPod, iPhone and iPad can play XVID files using VLC.
THat is just reencoding but lets talk about music here if you been buying music from Itunes pre DRM free. then you have a lot that you can not play on anything but Apple Players that being iTunes or iPhone/iPod.
If you leave Apple Ecosystem you have to loss all that stuff. I can deal with losing Apps. That I can accept. It is losing any movies or Music I bought that pisses me off to no end.
Add in Apple lock in once you buy lets say an Apple TV or iPod you have to either have some know how to re encode stuff or you have to rebuy everything.
The problem is iPod gets people into that ecosystem. Then traps them that make it VERY and I mean VERY costly to leave.
Just on my old music files it is a very big pain in the rear to strip the DRM. Hell I am a little short of idea of how to do it with out a blank CD that will result in quality loss any how.
Nice Point
This is probably the best point made. While I agree with the first point made about the engine, I think yours is a better analogy.
I do think this is pretty sad since Apple was forced by the RIAA to put the DRM on these songs to prevent music sharing. Apple wanted to make sure their hardware was compatible and ONLY their hardware. It's a sticky situation since people who bought music from Apple (unlike a CD at a store) could only play their music on Apple hardware. If they decided to change the player they were screwed. Unlike a CD which can be played in almost any CD player, car CD player, computer, whatever. I think Apple took advantage of the situation and played their cards nicely which aided in the recovery of their company.
I think this situation was the reason Apple was able to rise back up out of the proverbial ashes and be who they are today. They would be smart to keep this on the down low and settle the suit quietly and move on.
-LanPhantom
This is probably the best point made. While I agree with the first point made about the engine, I think yours is a better analogy.
I do think this is pretty sad since Apple was forced by the RIAA to put the DRM on these songs to prevent music sharing. Apple wanted to make sure their hardware was compatible and ONLY their hardware. It's a sticky situation since people who bought music from Apple (unlike a CD at a store) could only play their music on Apple hardware. If they decided to change the player they were screwed. Unlike a CD which can be played in almost any CD player, car CD player, computer, whatever. I think Apple took advantage of the situation and played their cards nicely which aided in the recovery of their company.
I think this situation was the reason Apple was able to rise back up out of the proverbial ashes and be who they are today. They would be smart to keep this on the down low and settle the suit quietly and move on.
-LanPhantom
You didn't know that the files had DRM when you bought them? If you did know, did someone put a gun to your head and force you to buy them?
No. If Apple wasn't allowed to continue keeping Fairplay exclusive, they argued that it would undermine their business model, and they would CLOSE the iTunes music store. Shoot me, but that's exactly the threat they'd put on the table, and did. In the end, this helped move the industry... slowly, but clearly. Apple argued easily that being able to move your songs out (burn to CD and RIP) and play any DRM-free music made them perfectly interoperable.
~ CB
it not so much the DRM part but the fact that those DRM are limited only to Apple devices and programs. I said it then and I will say it now. I believe Apple abused it power to gain a monoply and drive others out of bussiness. A fair punishment would be a fine and forcing to remove DRM from all the older stuff and then turn around and licenses out fairplay.
I still believe the only reason Apple dropped the DRM was not because the record companies said OK but because Apple knew it was heading to loss a massive antitrust case and it was to get heat off of them. I still want to see them punished for using Microsoft like tricks.
Actually its more like toyota suing ford because ford uses the same type of gasoline. See the difference yet?
Why would you actually WANT to buy the same digital songs twice?
Oh, for the....
Will you people STOP using faulty car analogies? Nobody here "gets" cars well enough to make them an appropriate metaphor.
And no, the gas isn't the right analogy, either. Here:
car -- ipod
Gas = electricity
Engine = Apple software
Chassis = ipod hardware
Driving = listening
Roads = file formats??
??? = music
IDK what can be an analog to the music, file format, or DRM stored in an iPod. Accessory hardware? Maintenance items like brake pads and tires? That's why this metaphor is stupid. Just talk about the subject and quit bringing up cars.
True, but then this is an Apple lovers site, so there's no surprise to find a bunch of Apple lovers here.
What's a lot more suspicious is why there are so many Apple haters here. Oh wait, I just remembered, people get paid to post disinformation all over the Internet for a wide range of topics. Why would Apple be any different?