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Steve Jobs to Kick Off WWDC with Preview of Mac OS X "Tiger"

... and greater, easier Linux compatibility. It'd be great to be able to load Debian and Red Hat packages "just like that." Suddenly we'd have Amaya and all sorts of other apps just a few commands or clicks away...y'know, people like me are rapidly becoming a minority in the Mac world; they're attracting the hard core science and IT pros more and more with their UNIX structures. Easing the use of Linux apps would be a killer. So, of course, would be making it easier to use SMB...and for Heaven's sake, integrating FruitMenu and X-Assist and KILLING command-H and command-M and universals. (Great idea, taking the universal "search and replace" and the PowerPoint "new slide" commands and pre-empting 'em. Why not use command-P and command-N too?)

...and let's add better Java speed and compatibility! That's also a key "why-not" issue...

...and, yes, more ease of flexibility, in where to store your various libraries; and de-mystifying the folder structure'd be nice too. Someday it'd be nice to have Classic *libraries* so you don't need to run Classic, but I suspect that's impossible, so I won't hope.

... a better Terminal - like integrated iTerm! or something similar ...

... an option to use System 9-style open/save boxes... I *hate* both current options.

... I'm sure there are LOTS of other requests.
 
stoid said:
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It would be killer if Apple could get the queried file system thing that Longhorn is/was featuring before Microsoft gets it developed.
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Absolutely. There really needs to be more metadata, and it should be user definable. Here's to the people who came from Be Inc to actually get their say and implement their cool stuff into the OS X Finder. I know I could use this right now, and I'm positive that many will find it great once they use it properly. Think ID3 tags for all Finder files. I sure hope this is happening
 
Tiger all about developers...

Which is a good thing:

from the WWDC page:

'...discover how Tiger will fuel the next generation of developer innovation.'

Which means lots and lots of innovation under the hood to allow new and innovative applications to be delivered.

I would guess: Improvements to core services and apps, probably speed enhancements again, but mostly creating the platform for developers to build on.

I reckon that's eveb more interesting than new Apple addons, because those 'built for OSX' apps out there will take another big leap in performance and utility.
 
While people are mentioning Be.

A befs would be great, but does anyone remember the boot times? Nothing is more impressive than booting up inside of 30 seconds.
 
...more...

Almost forgot: a replacement for or, preferably, an upgrade to HyperCard (usable by normal people) ...

...and yes, $1600 is normal for a professional conference even in my field (organizational development and change, see second URL in my sig)
 
Tiger - true 64 Bit OS?

Mabey I am the only one to think of this yet, but will this be a full 64 bit OS? Not a 32 bit with 64 bit extensions. A true 64 bit os would really have a performance boost with G5 across the board.....G5 Powermac, G5 PowerBook, G5 iMac, etc. I would think this would be his biggest announcment.

Yes I know that iTunes and every other program would have to recompled, but isn't that what xCode is for? I am just ready for those G5 powerbooks. The last update was okay. A 9700 in a powerbook is awsome, and in reality a 1.5 G4 isn't shabby. They run on very little power. But I cannot make myself spend 2500 bucks on a machine that has a slower bus speed that my P3 from several years ago.
 
t^3 said:
I think it's really because tigers (as well as lions) are quite common, found in practically every zoo and are not as "exotic" as cheetahs, pumas, jaguars, and panthers. We Mac users like to see our OS as being exotic and not common, unlike Windows.
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The only bad thing about the name is that tigers are an endangered species. Of course, so are almost all of the big cats.

The Longhorn on the other hand was saved by a congressional act.

I can't get over the fact that the next version of MicroSoft OS is named for something that the namesake of Apple's next OS would eat for lunch. Literally.
 
DreaminDirector said:
I don't know what feature can top exposé, but if anyone can make the near perfect Panther better, good ol' Steve can.
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I know one, Make Tiger a 3D OS!!!

Sweet!!! :D :D :D

That would be the ultimate one-up to M$!!
 
Metatron said:
Mabey I am the only one to think of this yet, but will this be a full 64 bit OS? Not a 32 bit with 64 bit extensions. A true 64 bit os would really have a performance boost with G5 across the board.....G5 Powermac, G5 PowerBook, G5 iMac, etc. I would think this would be his biggest announcment.

Yes I know that iTunes and every other program would have to recompled, but isn't that what xCode is for? I am just ready for those G5 powerbooks. The last update was okay. A 9700 in a powerbook is awsome, and in reality a 1.5 G4 isn't shabby. They run on very little power. But I cannot make myself spend 2500 bucks on a machine that has a slower bus speed that my P3 from several years ago.
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I think this could be too early. It would be great to have a true 64bit OS, but in my opinion we won't see this before 10.5, because the G5 is just in the Power Macs yet. Even if one assumes it will come to iMacs and PowerBooks in the next months, I still think Apple won't do it yet.
 
Metatron said:
Mabey I am the only one to think of this yet, but will this be a full 64 bit OS? Not a 32 bit with 64 bit extensions. A true 64 bit os would really have a performance boost with G5 across the board.....G5 Powermac, G5 PowerBook, G5 iMac, etc. I would think this would be his biggest announcment.

Yes I know that iTunes and every other program would have to recompled, but isn't that what xCode is for? I am just ready for those G5 powerbooks. The last update was okay. A 9700 in a powerbook is awsome, and in reality a 1.5 G4 isn't shabby. They run on very little power. But I cannot make myself spend 2500 bucks on a machine that has a slower bus speed that my P3 from several years ago.
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I won't happen. I would think that it will be a while (couple years) before we see a full 64 bit OS.

It will come just after the G5 iBooks :)
 
Veldek said:
I think this could be too early. It would be great to have a true 64bit OS, but in my opinion we won't see this before 10.5, because the G5 is just in the Power Macs yet. Even if one assumes it will come to iMacs and PowerBooks in the next months, I still think Apple won't do it yet.
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I don't think this would be to early....assuming IBM has that 3 ghz beast brewing. If they can work out those bugs in the fab. I really think that 10.4 will be a true 64 bit os. Plus, XP 64 bit will be out this year....It would look good on Steve's half to beat ol' Microcrap to the punch again. I will agree with you on this point that 10.5 will be a 64 bit OS. I just hope it is not the first.

Oh.....then they could filter the slower G5's into the ibook. A G5 1.6 iBook, and a G5 2.8 Powerbook, and dual G5 3.2 Powermac. Makes sense in my book.
 
I can think of something...

&RU said:
A befs would be great, but does anyone remember the boot times? Nothing is more impressive than booting up inside of 30 seconds.
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Much more impressive than boot times is uptime. Then you don't have to *see* the boot times...

Live OS patching would be useful. It's annoying to have to reboot with simple updates.
 
AirUncleP said:
Jobs will have a special guest with him on stage. None other than that Roy, or was it Sigfried, guy who almost got his head ripped off by one of his "pet" tigers. He will be demo-ing a new access feature allowing users to operate OS 10.4 when they have no face.
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That was one of the best comments I have ever read.
 
Veldek said:
At least, we know about one new feature: Text-to-Speech is known to be introduced in 10.4, isn’t it?
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It's already in the current versions of OS X, but it hasn't had an overhaul since it's OS 9 days, and THAT would be a kick-ass feature that alone would get me to purchase 10.4
 
t^3 said:
I think it's really because tigers (as well as lions) are quite common, found in practically every zoo and are not as "exotic" as cheetahs, pumas, jaguars, and panthers. We Mac users like to see our OS as being exotic and not common, unlike Windows.
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Exactly. It's as if, for example, a computer company wanted to name themselves after a piece of fruit. They would certainly pick something exotic like a kiwi or papaya. No one in their right mind would pick something so common and pedestrian as...say...an app....uh....nevermind. :D
 
Hes Nikke said:
i am going for my first time... for free - i got a scholarship :D

http://developer.apple.com/wwdc/students/
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That would be awesome as I'd love to attend a WWDC as a CS major. Too bad I'd still have to find money for airfare.

I may have an internship with MTV or VH1 next summer so maybe I can get in free then since I'm already over there.

BTW, what's with the hex code in your sig?
 
Metatron said:
Yes I know that iTunes and every other program would have to recompled, but isn't that what xCode is for? I am just ready for those G5 powerbooks. The last update was okay. A 9700 in a powerbook is awsome, and in reality a 1.5 G4 isn't shabby. They run on very little power. But I cannot make myself spend 2500 bucks on a machine that has a slower bus speed that my P3 from several years ago.
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You wouldn't need a recompile right away - most big UNIX vendors went 64-bit *years* ago, and the transition was easy. For example, 64-bit Solaris is over five years old, and you can still run 32-bit without a problem - I believe that Solaris 10 is the first version that will not run on 32-bit hardware. It's not a huge transition like going from 68K to PPC was.

Plus, if you want a 64-bit system today, you can always spend a couple of hundred on eBay for a used Ultra 2 with a pair of 300MHz procs, FW SCSI, and a gig of RAM. Solaris is a free download, and voila! You have a nice 64-bit UNIX desktop. I've got a couple sitting right next to my G5... :)
 
Metatron said:
I don't think this would be to early....assuming IBM has that 3 ghz beast brewing. If they can work out those bugs in the fab. I really think that 10.4 will be a true 64 bit os. Plus, XP 64 bit will be out this year....It would look good on Steve's half to beat ol' Microcrap to the punch again. I will agree with you on this point that 10.5 will be a 64 bit OS. I just hope it is not the first.

Oh.....then they could filter the slower G5's into the ibook. A G5 1.6 iBook, and a G5 2.8 Powerbook, and dual G5 3.2 Powermac. Makes sense in my book.
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It seems like having a 64-bit OS would not give you much speed as the finder doesn't perform any processor intensive tasks that could even benefit from the higher architecture. Is it anything more than a "Mine's bigger!" argument to have a 64-bit OS?
 
I'm very excited by this announcement. It seems I just got into the groove with Panther, but I'm always happy to get a new OS. Thus the countdown starts to WWDC...
 
I dont mind the spending of $129 every year for an O/S update, as long as there are features to go with it. I would have bought Panther for just Expose, because it is one of the best features around. If Apple can amaze me again(which I am sure they will), I will gladly hand over my $129
 
&RU said:
And last but not least, do for WINE what they did for KHTML with Safari -- I would love to ditch VPC and my Windows EULA.Just my 2 cents.
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What is WINE? I want to look it up but, of course, google just gives me wine sites. Does it run on OSX now?
 
Maybe they'll use a FRIENDLY tiger as the logo!

And the new slogan can be "10.4... Good buddy."

I'll go sit down now.
 
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