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Steve Jobs to Kick Off WWDC with Preview of Mac OS X "Tiger"

Metatron said:
A true 64 bit os would really have a performance boost with G5 across the board.....G5 Powermac, G5 PowerBook, G5 iMac, etc. I would think this would be his biggest announcment.
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Really? Would it? See...I've been under the impression that the G5 is faster than the G4 for two reasons:

1. Higher clock speed
2. Higher front-side bus speed

Would a true 64-bit Finder really improve speed on a G5...all other things being equal? This is not a rhetorical question - I'm genuinely curious :)
 
have we all forgotten about "piles"
maybe thatll be the expose [wow] type enhancement...
panther had lots of wow to get users up from jaguar... itll be
a tough job to get us to spend another 129.99 without
something as "cool" as expose...
 
There's really no gain in a 64bit MacOS unless you have more than 4GB of RAM and the need for it. eg. a huge database. There is no loss from using 32bit applications on a 64bit PPC processor as the instruction set is the same and it could be argued the application may end up slower as the code is more sparse.

It makes sense on Windows because the AMD 64bit ISA adds a load of new features and instructions which speed up applications and the OS in 64bit mode. That's why it's advantageous to recompile, not that 64bit is better than 32bit. 32bit applications still have to thunk though like they did when Windows went from 16bit to 32bit. There's a 32bit subsystem where all 32bit apps are ran using the old i86 ISA.
 
S to T

Text to Speech is nice.... but.......

Speech to Text, Speech to Text, Speech to Text, Speech to Text.....
 
stoid said:
That would be awesome as I'd love to attend a WWDC as a CS major. Too bad I'd still have to find money for airfare.

I may have an internship with MTV or VH1 next summer so maybe I can get in free then since I'm already over there.

BTW, what's with the hex code in your sig?
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Be where? Aren't VH1 and MTV both in New York City and WWDC usually in San Francisco?

I assume they stream the WWDC keynote. Anyone remember last year?
 
I doubt Tiger will be all 64 bit - this would not necessarily deliver any performance gain, and remember when Apple switched from 68k to PowerPC they still hadn't replaced all the old 68k code before they scrapped OS 9 in favour of OS X.

Top of my wish list is the ability to launch multiple instances of the Finder, so that if your Finder freezes, you can start working with another instance - each time you click on the Finder icon in the doc, it should spawn a new instance of the Finder. That way you need never be dogged by an unresponsive Finder window again.

Also, I'd like to seem them make killing an unresponsive app easier - the window should be greyed out when it becomes unresponsive, with a timing counting up, and a big "Kill" button.

I also would like to see closer integration between Safari, the Finder, iTunes and iPhoto, so that when you click on your Pictures folder, the Finder becomes an iPhoto window, and the iPhoto style window of scaleable thumbnails becomes a new view option for any folder. Likewise, when you click on ~/Music you should get an iTunes window. Finally, there should be a URL bar in the Finder, which allows you to enter any URL - ftp, http, smb, afp. A button should let you toggle between WebDav folder view and Safari-style Web browsing.

Finally, I'd like to see more differentiation between different types of shares - currently it's not easy in the finder to differentiate between AFP, SMB and WebDAV shares.

That's my dream Tiger - what's yours? ;)
 
lem0nayde said:
What is WINE? I want to look it up but, of course, google just gives me wine sites. Does it run on OSX now?
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It allows you to run Windows applications on i86 boxes running UNIX and X.

It won't be of any use to OSX users unless there is also an i86 emulation as well. There isn't. The closest you get is Bochs and that is really, really slow. About a tenth the speed of VPC.

See http://www.winehq.com
 
More thoughts...

Mail, Address Book & iCal should be integrated into a single application.

They should sort out printing HTML e-mail from Mail - it often comes out reverse for me, for some bizzare reason!

...oh yes and how about Home on an iPod - so you can log in to a home folder on your iPod - this would be a killer app.
 
twinturbo said:
I'm hoping for a metadata "BeOS-like" finder. Something that would simply put WinFS to shame.
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Don't forget that BeOS wasn't the first operating system to have this type of file system. NeXTSTEP had this technology long before BeOS came out--and Apple now owns the technology and has the code to it.

As for putting WinFS to shame... well, what makes WinFS so appealing is that it's based on their upcoming SQL Server "Yukon" codebase. I'm hoping that Apple is able to do something similar--and just as powerful--to help combat that.

When thinking about this, don't just imagine being able to set metadata and perform quick, arbitrary filesystem searches. That's not where the power of this lies. Instead, imagine the applications we'll start to see when every single developer can be guaranteed that their users have a built-in database system.
 
Veldek said:
At least, we know about one new feature: Text-to-Speech is known to be introduced in 10.4, isn’t it?
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um... welcome to 1992?

i remember playing with Text-To-Speach with System 6, on my Mac Classic!

and every OS released since than, up to and including Mac OS X Public Beta through 10.3 Panther
 
stoid said:
Apple:Customization::Microsoft:Security
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sooo true. its often frustrating but at least there is some degree of customization, and i jsut have to remember. with windows you get a ton of customization BUT it brings a TON of instability and insecurity :p

i suppose i am more than willing to make this sacrifice -- though it would be nice to see Apple support some kind of theming or something...havent really thought it through enough...

btw, excuse my ignorance but what's the big deal with text to speech? Is this actually a popular feature? (why?) I mean I'll occasionally have Victoria (Vicki) read me something just to show off the capabilities of my mac, but other than that...
 
Foocha said:
Mail, Address Book & iCal should be integrated into a single application.
...oh yes and how about Home on an iPod - so you can log in to a home folder on your iPod - this would be a killer app.
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never! i like that they are separate. i refuse to use entourage, which is what you want.


would love home on iPod or any other external drive.
 
I'd like to see a Be style finder (which I miss a lot) coupled with the Smartfolder/playlist technology they've been adding into all the iApps, more speed especially in low ram situations and for them to make their mind up as to whether the GUI should be metal or aqua. Or perhaps it's going to be more stripy this time. ;-)

Two of the missing Panther features would be nice also - 'Home on iPod' and DarwinPorts.

Safari 1.2 for Jaguar as well as 1.0 has many bugs in it still and it's a pain designing websites that work in 1.2 but break in 1.0.

It's about time they upgraded QT Broadcaster as well.
 
Digipimp said:
Oh man I'm so hoping they play "Eye of the Tiger" at this WWDC

:rolleyes:
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That would really be cool, I'm sos excited about the upcoming WWDC. Can't wait to see the design of Pixar for "Tiger." I plan to be at the CambridgeSide Galleria with bells on at 1pm sharp Monday June 28th!
 
I'm guessing that the system requirements for Tiger will be quite stiff. No more running OS X on that old imac G3 350.
 
Agathon said:
I'm guessing that the system requirements for Tiger will be quite stiff. No more running OS X on that old imac G3 350.
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I don't know. Panther actually sped my G3 up quite a bit. Maybe Tiger will do the same (or at least be just as fast).
 
I expect to see 129 new features for my $129, with about 10 of them useful to me personally.

My prediction continues to be that one major new feature will be a database-backed Finder, letting you attach your own attributes to any folder or file, search on any combination of attributes, and keep Favorites-style lists of these items.
 
wdlove said:
That would really be cool, I'm sos excited about the upcoming WWDC. Can't wait to see the design of Pixar for "Tiger." I plan to be at the CambridgeSide Galleria with bells on at 1pm sharp Monday June 28th!
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And I'll be at the Rockingham Mall up in beautiful Salem, New Hamster.
 
Foocha said:
That's my dream Tiger - what's yours? ;)
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Im looking forward to Tiger, but what erks me is that you are paying for features that should be in the OS in the first place... just like with a lot of Panther features.

What I want:
1. Better thumbnails in the finder
2. Ability to cut and Paste a file into a different folder
3. Ability to change file names in the open and save dialogs
4. Ability to turn off some of the animation associated with windows.
5. NO MORE DOCK BOUNCING!!! Why does it take 3 bounces to open Photoshops splash screen, and my PC needs ZERO seconds (ie, click icon, see splash... instantaneously) What is the finder doing during this bouncing?
6. Faster, Panther is good... but could be better.
7. Better keyboard shortcut changing support.
8. Quicker hide dock and show dock animation.
9. Remove general Mail settings from "mail.app" and remove General Internet settings from safari... why do i have to go to Mail to change my default mail program to entourage... that should be in sys pref.
10. Windows like sharing, click on a folder, be able to share it, have a master list of what is shared in sys pref... none of this all or nothing business... unless you want to make a disk image of course... ugh.
11. True FTP support in the finder, be able to upload files with correct access.
12. The last thing I can think of... BETTER NETWORKING!!! Sheesh, why does my finder crash every time something isn't available... even when i am not using it, the finder shouldn't care until i click on the remote computers drive!!!
 

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Agathon said:
I'm guessing that the system requirements for Tiger will be quite stiff. No more running OS X on that old imac G3 350.
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I disagree. I see know reason why Apple Tiger would not run on a G3. I full expect to be upgrading my G3 iMac (350MHz) to Tiger in the fall. Why makes you think otherwise?
 
&RU said:
A befs would be great, but does anyone remember the boot times? Nothing is more impressive than booting up inside of 30 seconds.
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Wrong. Nothing is more impressive than having no idea how long it takes to boot up, b/c you never need to turn your computer off ;). Now, maybe (although it would be a stupid feature) they could make some way of installing software without rebooting, so we can brag to windows users, no, I haven't turned my computer off since installed the OS....probably won't until I install the next one, either.

Just joking, btw. They have much, much more useful things to do. Besides making it so that would be true for me, b/c I'm crashing now :(

As to actual intelligent things to say...wish apple made these announcments before they actually decided what tiger would be... then, they could use all the feedback of people here, looks liks some people have some great ideas. At least, recognized things I never thought of trying to get out of my computer.

But hey, I guess we're all big enough of nerds that these things have probably been emailed to apple anyway ;)
 
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