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Steve Jobs Tried Unsuccessfully to Defuse Patent Dispute with Samsung in 2010

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Dow Jones Newswires and Bloomberg report on testimony from Apple patent portfolio manager Chip Lutton as part of the Australian dispute between Apple and Samsung, revealing that Steve Jobs personally initiated contact with Samsung in 2010 in an attempt to head off the conflict before it headed into the courts.
Steve Jobs, founder of Apple Inc. (AAPL), initiated contact with rival Samsung Electronics Co. in July 2010 to try to resolve a patent dispute that has since become a legal battle on four continents, an Australian court was told.

Jobs wasn't involved once the ultimately unsuccessful talks over the Galaxy smartphone began, Richard Lutton, a senior director at Apple and the company's patent attorney, told Federal Court in Sydney today.

"Samsung is an important supplier with whom we have a deep relationship," Lutton testified in response to questioning by Samsung lawyer David Catterns. "We wanted to give them a chance to do the right thing."
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Apple is seeking an injunction against Samsung preventing the sale of the Galaxy Tab 10.1 in Australia. Samsung has agreed to delay the device's launch several times as the injunction is being considered by the court, and today's reports note that Samsung has offered to make some concessions such as eliminating a feature designed to recognize and ignore accidental touch input. The judge in the case has indicated that she plans to offer a decision next week on a preliminary injunction against Samsung, which would remain in effect as a full hearing potentially lasting several months is conducted.

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Too bad Samsung tried to killed their golden goose (Apple as customer) by attempting to copy it.
 
Samsung's cable connector is PDMI, an industry standard. Gives a lot of credibility to that big picture you posted (use timg next time).
 
KnightWRX said:
Samsung's cable connector is PDMI, an industry standard. Gives a lot of credibility to that big picture you posted (use timg next time).
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And what about the others? Seems like people still don't understand the lawsuit.

It is not about an icon or a PDMI connector. It is about the entire presentation for start to finish.

Next time, check the definition of 'delusion'.
 
Can someone recall when all the patent dispute started? How many months was it after July 2010?
 
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dethmaShine said:
Guess, everyone including the judge are idiots. They all believe Apple owns the concept of rectangles.

:rolleyes:
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Haha! Despite me practically owning a subscription to Apple's hardware, my take on this patent dispute is that it's choking innovation. Some of the tricks Apple pulled were underhanded and unnecessary.
 
How many of those peripherals and designs are built in Samsungs factories, that Apple then purchased?
 
Steve has proven his desire for innovation over his desire to put others out of business. His remarks for windows have never been less than kind and credible. I hope the new management can continue this trend of innovation as an alternative to war...
 
Wonder if Samsung regrets their decision to 'fight it' now. I think with Galaxy Tab 10.1 barred from sale in Europe and them yanking the Galaxy Tab 7.7 from the IFA show floor overnight is proof enough that they made the wrong decision.
 
Xenc said:
Hah! Despite me practically owning a subscription to Apple's hardware, my personal take on this patent dispute is that it's choking innovation. Some of the tricks Apple pulled were underhanded and unnecessary.
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Fair enough.

That is your opinion and I totally respect it. I believe its the right time, Apple went with the litigation so that Samsung starts innovating in the mobile space.
I guess Samsung deserved it for the most part.
 
Abyssgh0st said:
Wonder if Samsung regrets their decision to 'fight it' now. I think with Galaxy Tab 10.1 barred from sale in Europe and them yanking the Galaxy Tab 7.7 from the IFA show floor overnight is proof enough that they made the wrong decision.
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The Galaxy Tab 10.1 is barred from being sold by Samsung GbmH in Germany only. German retailers can buy them from 3rd party distributors or Samsung in another country.

However, a Dutch court ruled the same Community Design registration as "not something that would survive a court case" and deemed the Galaxy Tab 10.1 non-infringing.

So really, I doubt Samsung is regretting anything. Aside from Dusseldorf (which is extremely plaintiff friendly), they have mostly won against Apple, with Apple even getting 1 patent invalidated.
 
This is a generic PDMI cable. Looks like the dock connector isn't it? Unlike Apple's proprietary dock connector, this is based on open standards. The Tab uses this, not Apple's similar Dock connector.
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adder7712 said:
FAIL at the connector part.

The Tab is using the standard PDMI connector.
Read it.
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Uh, no.

The electrical connector is entirely different in terms of pin layout. The iPod connector supports different signal types such as FireWire, where the PDMI does not. PDMI supports Displayport USB3 and power transfer, the dock connector does not.

Furthermore, the Samsung Tab isn't even using the proper PDMI standard, just the connector. The pin layout is identical to Apples, just flipped over; pin 1 becomes pin 30.

Interestingly, if you were to plug a Samsung cable into an iPod, you would be shorting the USB power pins together on the host side, as pins 1-2 are grounded in Apple devices, but used for USB power in Samsung ones.

Wikipedia said:
It [PDMI connector] is designed as an alternative to the iPod interface which was used exclusively by Apple Inc
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Samsung specifically chose a connector that has little to no industry adoption, for the sole reason that it looks like Apples. There's no other explanation.
 
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adder7712 said:
This is a generic PDMI cable. Looks like the dock connector isn't it? Unlike Apple's proprietary dock connector, this is based on open standards. The Tab uses this, not Apple's similar Dock connector.
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Ok, we get it. Different technology. Surprised you didn't harp on the fact that the Tab's cable is black and Apple's is white.

But do you deny that the overall presentation and packaging of the Tab is nearly identical to the iPad?

I'm pretty sure that was the entire point of the picture comparison.
 
adder7712 said:
This is a generic PDMI cable. Looks like the dock connector isn't it? Unlike Apple's proprietary dock connector, this is based on open standards. The Tab uses this, not Apple's similar Dock connector.
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But I can bet every penny I have that if the dock connector from Apple didn't have the design it has, the PDMI would never have looked like that either. And Samsung would have chosen the one that looked most like Apple's.

They wish they were Apple, sooo bad...
 
adder7712 said:
FAIL at the connector part.

The Tab is using the standard PDMI connector.
Read it.
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I think the point isn't so much about the connector only, it's about all those photos put together ... is it just co-incidence that their boxes, cables, graphic elements, etc look the same as Apple's?

How come HTC, Acer, etc doesn't have the same problem? ... they may have a few things that are similar to Apple (they may use different cables or packaging etc).



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Finally somebody put pictures showing where and in what Samsung is claimed to be copying from Apple. C'mon, even a kid can see that the depicted objects are highly similar!!!
 
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