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Ok, we get it. Different technology. Surprised you didn't harp on the fact that the Tab's cable is black and Apple's is white.

But do you deny that the overall presentation and packaging of the Tab is nearly identical to the iPad?

I'm pretty sure that was the entire point of the picture comparison.

I don't know all the details of the dispute, but I would think a non-informed consumer would think these are made by the same company and or the same device, but maybe newer/older.

I however would never confuse the two products, but I guess I am in the know about all this stuff.
 
The front organization for Dr. Evil in the next Austin Powers movie will be Samsung... err I mean Apple... oh wait... maybe this whole thing is orchestrated by Dr. Evil?
 
its not just the connector.

Summarize it up and there is a reason to be pissed with Samsung.
 
"We wanted to give them a chance to do the right thing."

Yea, the "right thing" for whom? Not Samsung I bet.
 
Amazon doesn't appear to have made this same mistake. Although, if Apple manages to lay claim to rectangular shape with rounded corners, all tablets will have a hard time, it's kind of hard to do anything else.
 
The Galaxy Tab 10.1 is barred from being sold by Samsung GbmH in Germany only. German retailers can buy them from 3rd party distributors or Samsung in another country.

However, a Dutch court ruled the same Community Design registration as "not something that would survive a court case" and deemed the Galaxy Tab 10.1 non-infringing.

So really, I doubt Samsung is regretting anything. Aside from Dusseldorf (which is extremely plaintiff friendly), they have mostly won against Apple, with Apple even getting 1 patent invalidated.

I'ts just as likely that the Court in Dusseldorf ruled correctly, but of course, that would effect your spin, wouldn't it.

"In particular, the design of the front is not merely dictated by technical needs. Defendants and the Dutch court, the Rechtbank 's-Gravenhage (in its Dutch proceeding concerning the Galaxy Tab 10.1), correctly point out that a "glass-like" touch panel covering the entire front side appears to be a logical choice [reference to German translation of Dutch decision]. This is also holds true for the rounded corners. Contrary to the Dutch court, this Court also considers the omission of frills and the minimization of elements to be a design achievement, since such minimization is not called for by technical reasons. A broader, easy-to-grip edge of the case -- possibly also on the shorter sides or on only one side --, a lower-lying display as frequently seen on conventional PC screens, an inner frame with edges of different breadth (as far as one elects to take this element into consideration, as this Court does) or a stronger rounding of the concerns are examples of changes to the front side that need not be technically disadvantageous.

The possibilities of a design of the edge of the device that differs from the asserted Community design but equally fulfills its technical function is shown by the competing tablet PCs presented by Plaintiff (Exhibit ASt18). For example, Toshiba's Folio 100 tablet PC has an inner display frame, a surrounding case frame and additionally a surrounding silver ornamental molding, which might reduce the susceptibility of the device to impact. Acer's Iconia Tab sports a surrounding case frame that is somewhat broader on the longer sides than on the shorter sides, while the inner display frame is, conversely, somewhat thinner on the longer sides than on the shorter sides. Creative's Zii0 has a case frame that is thin on the shorter sides and the upper long side but broader on the lower long side. The display of the Archos 101 has a surrounding frame, which in turn is inserted into the case in a way that creates a kind of gripping area on the shorter sides, preventing that useres frequently touch the display and leave fingerprints. Finally, Asus's Eee Pad has a case frame that surrounds the display only with a thin edge on the longer sides while it is broader and comes with a serrated surface on the broader sides, creating an impression of being easy to grip as well as an interesting optical effect. All those designs show alternative solutions that are distinct from the minimalistic style of the asserted Community design that are technically on an equal foting -- or may even be advantageous -- and provide more than merely redundant frills.

Any other conclusions would in this Court's view ignore that there is not only one solution that meets the technical requirements. Instead, it is possible within the framework of different technical requirements concerning stability, material, production costs, manufacturing considerations, weight, easiness to grip etc. to come up with alternative designs. The Court cannot find in the Regulation any rule according to which minimalistic solutions should be unprotectable. On the contrary, the purpose of the Regulation is to protect every design accomplishment related to the creation of a product design that distinguishes itself vom prior art in a manner that is relevant to the market.

Especially the combination of a minimalistically-designed front with a flat surface and a case that avoid sharp corners and edges as well as protruding or ornamental elements constitutes a design achievement a nd is -- as shown -- more than merely a technically required design. It characterizes the asserted Community design in a particular way.

http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2011/09/translation-of-dusseldorf-regional.html
 
FAIL at the connector part.

The Tab is using the standard PDMI connector.
Read it.
According to the Talk page on the article you linked, it looks like the Tab is not using PDMI. They are using their own proprietary 30-pin connector that physically resembles both PDMI and the Apple connector.

Samsung's own literature says nothing about PDMI, simply calling it a "30-pin dock connector" (spec sheet).

So, I guess that's the opposite of FAIL. WIN? SUCCESS? I'm not up on the latest memes, sorry :p
 
Steve has proven his desire for innovation over his desire to put others out of business. His remarks for windows have never been less than kind and credible. I hope the new management can continue this trend of innovation as an alternative to war...

Huh? Have you never seen the PC vs Mac ads that Apple ran for a couple of years? :rolleyes:

Tony
 
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bet Steve called them up using his iPhone 4 but halfway in he shifted his hand and held it wrong thus dropping the call, Samsung execs prob thought he hung up on them due to his reputation of being a douche

Antennagate continues...
 
Amazon doesn't appear to have made this same mistake. Although, if Apple manages to lay claim to rectangular shape with rounded corners, all tablets will have a hard time, it's kind of hard to do anything else.

Maybe a circular shape with rectangular corners. :D

Tony
 
This is a generic PDMI cable. Looks like the dock connector isn't it? Unlike Apple's proprietary dock connector, this is based on open standards. The Tab uses this, not Apple's similar Dock connector.
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So the use of Apple icons? The identical design of the wall power plug? The packaging? The voice recorder app? The fact the Galaxy Tab 7 looks exactly like a super sized clone of the iPhone 3GS? The latest Galaxy 2 S commercial done in 100% Apple style, including a Richard Dreyfus soundalike?

Just all happy coincidence, right people?

One would have to be blind, dense, or in complete denial not to recognize Samsung's obvious and deliberate intent to copy Apple's products, packaging and marketing for their own benefit.

Samsung = KIRF.
 
According to the Talk page on the article you linked, it looks like the Tab is not using PDMI. They are using their own proprietary 30-pin connector that physically resembles both PDMI and the Apple connector.

Samsung's own literature says nothing about PDMI, simply calling it a "30-pin dock connector" (spec sheet).

So, I guess that's the opposite of FAIL. WIN? SUCCESS? I'm not up on the latest memes, sorry :p
I get it. I went a bit too far with the "fanboy" statement.

I sincerely apologise.
 
Love this Img

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That's a rather biased post. Those examples don't suggest theft at all. Example, in the recorder UI notice how the record button is on the other side.

I don't think Samsung intentionally copies Apple's design. Samsung has a reputation for outstanding design.
 
its not just the connector.

Summarize it up and there is a reason to be pissed with Samsung.




I agree, you have to take a look at the entire product. Other competitors may have a similar icons, but they use Micro USB for cable, and have different packaging.


Some may copy the packaging but have a different form factor, etc...

With specific Samsung products most things look the same as Apples. If you take a look at Samsung before flummox and after-flummox, their OS, form factor, boxes, cables, ads etc changed to look alot more like Apples (not just a few things like other competitors). I don't think it's just co-incidence.


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FAIL at the connector part.

The Tab is using the standard PDMI connector.
Read it.

Yea and if you read that, you will see it is not the standard connector setup used. So, that takes half of the credibility away. Also, the charger design is not part of the connector type. THAT is what is copied. No one will argue that the USB part is copied either. It is the product design and the label design. Dont divert from the issue by trying to be a smarty about it. :)
 
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Like Antennagate, Jobs' comment to Samsung was "Don't build it that way."

I find it hard to believe Jobs truly was rational and tried to meet Samsung 1/2 way or compromise...Jobs has always had a "my way or the highway" attitude towards the entire world.
 
However, a Dutch court ruled the same Community Design registration as "not something that would survive a court case"

Not a ruling. An opinion presented in conjunction with a ruling on a preliminary injunction. Actual court case to follow.

and deemed the Galaxy Tab 10.1 non-infringing.

Non-infringing of the photo-related patent.

So really, I doubt Samsung is regretting anything. Aside from Dusseldorf (which is extremely plaintiff friendly), they have mostly won against Apple, with Apple even getting 1 patent invalidated.

?:confused:? As far as I have read, we have had two significant rulings out of 11 cases. Both on preliminary injunctions. Apple's request for preliminary injunctions was granted in both cases. The Dutch injunction easily worked around by Samsung.

But seriously, are you actually saying "Outside of the German decision, Samsung mostly won?" Two decisons, and you eliminate the one that goes against your claims. That's some truthiness.

And then we have Australia, where Samsung has voluntarily delayed launch of the Tab. Doesn't sound like confidence in their position.
 
And what about the others? Seems like people still don't understand the lawsuit.

It is not about an icon or a PDMI connector. It is about the entire presentation for start to finish.

Next time, check the definition of 'delusion'.

Its hilarious when presented with so much proof, these people are still arguing that there's no similarities. :rolleyes:
 
So really, I doubt Samsung is regretting anything. Aside from Dusseldorf (which is extremely plaintiff friendly), they have mostly won against Apple, with Apple even getting 1 patent invalidated.

Samsung is earning itself a worldwide reputation for being a blatant copycat. Which is, in some respects, undeserved - because they obviously DO spend a lot of money on research. On the other hand, they've been somewhat short-sighted by copying so many of the aesthetic elements of the iPad, iPhone, the software interface they use, and the packaging. They've managed to annoy an important customer. And they've had the sale of their products held up in many markets because of it.

You ought to understand that the patent infringement claims brought by Apple are really just the legal mechanism. In other words, if Samsung hadn't copied so much of the iPad and iPhone's appearance, Apple probably wouldn't have bothered asserting infringement of its software patents.

You can keep on rationalizing Samsung's copying, and people can keep on making absurd claims about rectangles, but I think just about any reasonable person looking at side-by-side comparisons can see how Samsung copied Apple in a way that most other tablet and phone makers didn't.
 
that's a picture of an Italian store that also sells iPhones, the wall of icons is just to show all the apps available on mobile platforms
 
Huh? Have you never seen the PC vs Mac ads that Apple ran from a couple of years? :rolleyes:

Tony

I see your point... From my perspective those ads were playful jesting as opposed to Microsoft ads that have a vibe of "go to hell apple". From what I've seen Steve's comments of dislike have never been "stop trying and go away", they have been "try harder... and then I'll try and up you one".
 
Like Antennagate, Jobs' comment to Samsung was "Don't build it that way."

I find it hard to believe Jobs truly was rational and tried to meet Samsung 1/2 way or compromise...Jobs has always had a "my way or the highway" attitude towards the entire world.

At least, that's the stereotype. :rolleyes:
 
I'ts just as likely that the Court in Dusseldorf ruled correctly, but of course, that would effect your spin, wouldn't it.

The court in Dusseldorf assumed the Community Design registration was valid*. It made no ruling as to its value. The Dutch court went farther in evaluating the Community Design registration.

But you're right, for that particular claim, it is 1 to 1. However, the Dutch ruling also ruled on a lot of other things and invalidated an Apple patent. The 1 claim they did find against Samsung was an easy fix.

So all in all, Samsung is ahead right now. This could change at any moment, I'm not spinning unlike you that is pointing to Florian Mueller's biased and misinformed blog.

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Samsung is earning itself a worldwide reputation for being a blatant copycat.

Only in the Apple community it seems. No one else outside the Apple sphere seems to be finding that.
 
Like Antennagate, Jobs' comment to Samsung was "Don't build it that way."

I find it hard to believe Jobs truly was rational and tried to meet Samsung 1/2 way or compromise...Jobs has always had a "my way or the highway" attitude towards the entire world.

Not to be a smart ass or anything, but maybe that's why Apple is as successful as they are.

And maybe if Steve had pulled a "Field of Dreams" and had a big booming voice from the sky say, "Build it and we will sue", Samsung would've done things differently. :D
 
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