Steve Offers Glimpse Of Keynote 2.0?

agentkow · Oct 27, 2004

johnnyjibbs said:
By the way, Jaguar and Panther are not upgrade versions - the $129/£99 you pay is the same whether you have the previous version of Mac OS X or whether you're jumping in from OS 9 or an even older version of OS X. (This is a major sticking point with many Mac users).

I realize this is true for the $129 versions, but the versions I bought, both conveniently just after they were introduced on a computer I had just bought, were offered to me for $29.99 as an upgrade. My iBook came with OS X just before Jaguar was introduced, so that was an upgrade version, and then my Powerbook came with Jaguar just as Panther was introduced, so that was an upgrade too.

It was great how that worked out both times...

swissmann · Oct 27, 2004

We all know it is coming - just a matter of when.

applekid · Oct 27, 2004

My thoughts:

Steve was probably using Keynote 2.0 with Tiger. The new Keynote effects will probably be possible through Tiger's CoreImage and CoreVideo.

Jaz · Oct 27, 2004

bentmywookie said:
My guess is that he was running a new version of Keynote on Tiger - since those effects are just like the CoreImage ones demoed at WWDC. I don't think Keynote 2.0 will be released before Tiger.

That's a very good guess. Core Image and Video form the foundation of Motion, and all those effects are in Motion; which is a phenomenal app BTW and making things so much easier for me these days

. Tiger will put them into the OS, rather than a specific app, which is exactly how Keynote would access such features as they are hardware dependent.

zakee00 · Oct 27, 2004

well, if you think about it, it IS possible to have transitions on the iPod Photo.
keynote can export the transitions as a series of still photos, at say 25-30 fps. and then it can be like a flipbook

if the whole transition was 2 seconds, figure 55 pictures for one transition. thats not bad, espicially with a 60gb hd

overall from what i have seen of keynote 1, powerpoint is much more powerful at professional. unless keynote 2 can compete, i have to reason to purchase it. the transitions are MUCH cooler though, thats for sure

johnnyjibbs · Oct 28, 2004

agentkow said:
I realize this is true for the $129 versions, but the versions I bought, both conveniently just after they were introduced on a computer I had just bought, were offered to me for $29.99 as an upgrade. My iBook came with OS X just before Jaguar was introduced, so that was an upgrade version, and then my Powerbook came with Jaguar just as Panther was introduced, so that was an upgrade too.

Oh I see, sorry. Yes that is true.

[QOUTE]It was great how that worked out both times...[/QUOTE]
Lucky or unlucky? If you'd have purchased a month later in both cases, you would have saved yourself $60 (2x$30)

Still, better than not qualifying for the discount I guess...

Bandit · Oct 28, 2004

Did anyone else notice the small green word bubble that was also used in Steve's presentation? Another nice effect.

I like the new visual features but Keynote really needs more functionality to replace powerpoint for me. Hyperlinks are a must and add more controls for dealing with bulleted lists. Ever try adding 2 bulleted lists to a single slide. Pain in the butt. Hopefully we will all be happy come January.

SiliconAddict · Oct 28, 2004

Wonder Boy said:
"MS Office Killer".

AKA Apple Killer.....No Office == dead in the enterprise.

toxer · Oct 28, 2004

Keynote 2

Wanna bet we are going to see tons of iPod updates before the keynote 2 release?

azdude · Oct 28, 2004

SiliconAddict said:
AKA Apple Killer.....No Office == dead in the enterprise.

Bingo... killing Office would be one of the worst things Apple could do right now.

In my opinion, even attempting to compete would be a bad idea.

Tulse · Oct 28, 2004

nagromme said:
iPod won't have the nifty animated effects, but it DOES have:

* Manual advance (as well as timed if you wish).

* Transitions (optional). What IS the iPod "transition"? I don't know. A fade would be really cool, but maybe it's just a simple wipe. I doubt it has more than one.

nagromme, where did you find this info?

AmigoMac · Oct 28, 2004

The ripple effect is not specifically from Core Image, you can find it if you set up a slide show with iDVD... Keynote in January, no way!

$39.90 the update

nagromme · Oct 28, 2004

Tulse said:
nagromme, where did you find this info?

Right on Apple's iPod pages. Specs page, mentions those features, for one. (And someone just posted that the transition on iPod is a wipe.)

Also, a recent review (link escapes me... NY Times I think?) explained the iPod Photo's TV slideshow mode: what it shows on TV/projector is DIFFERENT from what's on the iPod: the iPod shows the presenter a special interface with three thumbnails--previous, current, and next--while the audience just sees the current image.

How cool is that, to have your REMOTE (in essence) show the next slide on a tiny screen?

Not sure what else, if anything, the presenter UI has.

(So if the iPod can do true "dual displays" why not the iBook?

)

AmigoMac · Oct 28, 2004

The ripple effect is not from core image, you can find it in iDVD if you do slideshows...

~Shard~ · Oct 28, 2004

Nice catch! Obviously Keynote 2.0 is coming eventually (as do all upgrades) but this probably indicates it will be coming sooner rather than later. Perhaps it will be bundled with Tiger?

~Shard~ · Oct 28, 2004

Oh, and Lazlo Panaflex nice avatar, thats one of my favorite SNL skits from the past few years. Will Ferrell always cracks me up...

hob · Oct 28, 2004

johnnyjibbs said:
I only saw Jobbs use the wipe transition in his demos. If there had been more, such as his favourite - the cube transition, I'd have thought he would have been showing them off and boasting about them.

The cube would have surely required some kinda open gl support... I don't seem them building that into an ipod for a coupla years... unless you want at 12" screen as well... hold on - may as well buy an iBook/Powerbook...!

For presentations, I use Salling Clicker - my bluetooth phone hooked up to my bluetooth powerbook to control a presentation. However, the first rule of presentation speaking is that something will go wrong, so I guess having an iPod backup is cool...

Plus it's an awesome feature as it is!!

Hob

Wonder Boy · Oct 29, 2004

SiliconAddict said:
AKA Apple Killer.....No Office == dead in the enterprise.

even if it was fully compatible with Office? if "AppleWorks X" or whatever it could be called would kill Apple in the enterprise sector, why are so many people calling for it? obviously they don't want apple to fail, there has to be a benifit to a Apple office suite.

johnnyjibbs · Oct 29, 2004

Wonder Boy said:
even if it was fully compatible with Office? if "AppleWorks X" or whatever it could be called would kill Apple in the enterprise sector, why are so many people calling for it? obviously they don't want apple to fail, there has to be a benifit to a Apple office suite.

Best to keep Microsoft sweet.

Besides, an Apple Office suite would be compatible with Office but never as compatible as MS Office, just like Keynote is with PowerPoint at present.

corywoolf · Oct 30, 2004

i would think apple has been working on a new appleworks that will integrate keynote with all new word processor, spreadsheet, and mail apps that will of course be synced with your address book and ical. something really big is coming, its been a while since they released anything in that market. I know they were smart to pursue the movie art creation apps though. i dont think apple will give up on a office like package, after all M$ doesnt provide any syncronization with other apple apps. although i would have thought there would be rumors already about his package, so i don't know. maybe the package will be released next year near back to school time?

grabberslasher · Oct 30, 2004

Just FWIW, Keynote 2 is closer than most of you think. And yes, it is coming, along with a new iApp (which I do not know anything else about, except that it will be huge and it's being developed in Paris). Please don't ask me where I get my info and I don't care if you believe me or not.

Oh, and news of Powerbook G5 (yes there's one in every thread, lol) is that nothing is planned or expected before WWDC next year. I'm happy 'cause by then my current powerbook will be a year old. So I won't feel really bad when it comes out.

Mechcozmo · Oct 30, 2004

I like Keynote, but I just use PowerPoint because it:

1) Came in the student edition, along with Word, Excel, and Entourage
2) More compatible
3) Overall has more features and is more mature than Keynote

But if you would like to make a donation to me, Keynote is fine.

angelneo · Nov 9, 2004

Jaz said:
That's a very good guess. Core Image and Video form the foundation of Motion, and all those effects are in Motion; which is a phenomenal app BTW and making things so much easier for me these days . Tiger will put them into the OS, rather than a specific app, which is exactly how Keynote would access such features as they are hardware dependent.

If that's the case then wouldn't it make keynote less portable? For example, you did a presentation on your powermac with tiger installed but later you might need to pop it into your ibook for a presentation to your client and it wouldn't work then if the ibook does not support some core image functions. I think this scenario is quite common.

Tulse · Nov 10, 2004

I think the intent is for Core Image and Core Video to gracefully degrade -- if your application calls Core Image, but the hardware doesn't support it, the app won't break, the effect just won't appear.

So I doubt that a Core Image-enabled version of Keynote wouldn't run presentations on lower-end machines -- my guess is that, instead, the transitions and effects that depend on Core Image simply won't work. That's not ideal, but it's better than a) having the entire app break, or b) waiting to incorporate the cool Core Image technology into Keynote until eveyone has machines that will support it.

johnnyjibbs · Nov 10, 2004

I hope Apple does keep up with Keynote. It's such a shame that the world of presentation is based on crappy PowerPoint. And while the Mac versions aren't too bad (I only have v.X and it is ok, PP2004 is much better, based on the trial version), the latest PC version is still really rubbish and that's what I generally have to present on (I can take my PB in but peoploe groan while I have to swap the cables over). Unfortunately, until fundamental things change with Windows (i.e. Longhorn is released) we're not going to get that.

My problem is that Keynote is always going to be a niche market and so, even with all these effects and stuff, we'll still be limited by having to show them back using PowerPoint most of the time.

The problem is worsened by the fact that, even on the Mac, it's not worth splashing the money out on Keynote if you get PowerPoint included with Office (which most people need). Word and Excel bought separately cost more than Office anyway, so you might as well get PowerPoint and Entourage. People like me can't justify spending more money then on Keynote as well, when PowerPoint "will do".

I hope this is right though. Apple please don't kill Keynote

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