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iPad Steve Wozniak doesn't want the new iPad.

silentbob007 said:
I think it points out the dilemma with storage. Apple rakes you over the coals for higher storage using the same rates that were used 3 years ago and not taking into account decreased component costs. Thus, going from 16 GB to 64 GB is still an extra $200 expenditure for a $20 upgrade. Apple can, of course, charge whatever they want. However, that does not mean that I, as a consumer, have to be happy with it.

In my day-to-day life, 16 GB is more than adequate because I have wifi, the cloud, etc. However, when I'd want more storage is for travel, which generally makes the cloud moot (hard to find or slow wifi, planes, etc). I also tend to use a lot of space while traveling with photos I load from my DSLR. Then the question becomes, do I stick with 16 GB because it is good for 90% of my usage, or do I pay through the nose for that 10%?
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You just answered your own question. If 16GB satisfies 90% of your lifestyle, then paying "through the nose" to accommodate the remaining 10% doesn't make sense financially. Then again, not everyone has the same amount of money to blow on stuff like this. For a lot of people, just having an iPad is a luxury that they cannot afford, let alone mulling over which storage option suits your lifestyle best.

Timster83 said:
Except it's often not just 5 hours; it's 5 hours there, 5 hours back. And then the 1-2 weeks in between the outbound and return flight where you don't want to pay the roaming rates to stream videos from the cloud.
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Is this an example of a business trip or something? I am assuming you would have a laptop as well, yes? If it is a business trip, why are you spending THAT much time using your iPad to where 128GB is not suiting your entertainment needs? Shouldn't you be doing...I don't know, work?

Is this a personal trip/vacation? Again, why are you spending THAT much time on an iPad?????
 
surjavarman said:
Unless the cloud can offer the same speeds as a local harddrive, has full coverage any where in the world and data was unlimited, it will never beat local storage.
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it can easily co-exist and work in conjunction with local storage to expand the capabilities of your device. Cloud storage greatly decreases the need for MORE local storage.

There are still benefits to cloud storage. Being able to access it from any device, anywhere you have a data connection being the biggest one. The majority of places one would go have data coverage, and with the expansion of LTE speeds are great. Most people could easily plan ahead and transfer anything they need from the cloud to local storage when they are going to the middle of nowhere and will not have service.
 
cababah said:
You just answered your own question. If 16GB satisfies 90% of your lifestyle, then paying "through the nose" to accommodate the remaining 10% doesn't make sense financially. Then again, not everyone has the same amount of money to blow on stuff like this. For a lot of people, just having an iPad is a luxury that they cannot afford, let alone mulling over which storage option suits your lifestyle best.
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Wait, we are talking apple products here ... a lot of ipurchases don't make sense from a strict financial sense. ;)
 
Of course he doesn't. Woz is an old-fashioned code/software geek. He would have wanted Apple to be more like Android/Google and not like the stylistic and trendsetting Apple hardware devices.
 
Patriot24 said:
I respect Woz for his contributions to history, but he sounds like an idiot in this article.

He of all people should understand that his edge use case does not a product strategy make.
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he of all people? have you read the jobs bio? The Woz had never any understanding of what people would wanna buy. He was just a genius tech guy.
 
Gregintosh said:
He is mega wealthy and can afford unlimited LTE data if he wants it. Even if his bill is $10,000 a month he has the money to pay it easily without dipping into the piggy bank. If data is that important, then the money isn't a problem.

I just looked him up and it looks like he has around $100 million, which means even if he gets a measly 2% interest he gets $2 million a year or $166,000 per month to spend from just interest without dipping into the actual funds.

(People at those levels tend to do better than 2% though since they get better options not available to the general public).

Also, there is no need to travel with so many gadgets and devices. He travels with like a dozen phones, laptops, game consoles, etc. I remember an article once about his travels and I found it completely ridiculous. There's noway he has enough time to spend 10 minutes with every gadget on the road much less actually "NEED" them.

And since he already travels with suitcases full of crap, I don't see why he can't get one of those wireless flash drive devices or some other storage solutions and use that.

BTW, Apple doesn't do BTO because of technical limitations. I am sure if it was easy to make a BTO tablet one of the Android competitors would have done it. BTO only works if the process for building them was engineered from the ground up to allow for it or some heavy modifications are put in place that could disrupt production lines or cost a ton of money (probably both).

Plus, why do BTO to satisfy the 5% of people who may want custom options (a majority of which still buy the stock options anyway) when 95% of people are happy with the choices?

You don't hear much about BTO computers these days anymore either. Back in the day it was the hip thing to do. Build your computer any way you want! Dell commercials used to emphasize you can get exactly what you want when you "build a computer on dell.com" and stuff. Now a days, while those things are still around, you hardly hear much about them.

The reason is that most people don't care, and the differences aren't super huge between components anymore. Just about every computer can do everything people normally want to do with no discernible difference to someone who isn't a pro.

Same with the iPad, the only things really to customize would be storage, and they have a 128GB option already. The demand for a 256GB iPad is probably not large enough to justify creating, marketing, stocking it, etc.

I can see only very limited use cases where someone would need to have literally EVERYTHING with them ALL the time.
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just bc you would do something different doesn't mean it's wrong. He wants all of his stuff with him...what's wrong with that? I mean we are almost in 2014 and the biggest size you have is 128gb?? and that's just of recent.

The LTE isn't a problem for someone who is wealthy like him. He can use as much as he wants. I was talking from as a regular consumer. We have all these great innovative things that fall short on the overall picture. Awesome technology that you can't use to it's fullest potential until Apple deems you can.

They've all moved to this iCloud/Cloud storage...yet you are getting capped on cellular data and some users on their home internet. The idea is great....but it just doesn't make sense anymore. It's gonna cost an arm and a leg to just access your data each time you wanna access it. Instead of letting people have a big hard drive and have all the data for a one time fee.

It just doesn't make any sense to me that now LTE on my iPhone/iPad is faster than my at home internet...but I can barely use it. These companies need to start marketing so we will get rid of our home internet at home...why is it needed if it's so slow and outdated?

Also, it's that difficult to stock a 256gb flash and swap it out from the 128gb version? There is a lot of things Apple does to force you to buy more things of theirs. Time Capsule's and iCloud are 2 of the products.
 
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rmhop81 said:
the "demand" supposedly isn't there right? ;)
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Heck, if there was an iPad Air 256GB 4G+WiFi, I would get one even if it cost $1029. The extra $100 is actually quite worth it in this case as you're getting 128GB more NAND. ;)

I was referring to actual NAND flash density and not Apple's policies. From the iFixit teardown, Apple's iPad 4 seems to use a single NAND flash package and given the iPad Air is considerably smaller, it makes sense that it doesn't have space to accommodate 2 NAND packages as in earlier models, either. That means the iPad will be limited to whatever the largest NAND flash package is available from NAND manufacturers. I don't know what the largest available single package NAND is but so far, biggest I've seen mentioned is 128GB.
 
xxBURT0Nxx said:
it can easily co-exist and work in conjunction with local storage to expand the capabilities of your device. Cloud storage greatly decreases the need for MORE local storage.
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no one is denying that cloud storage *can* reduce the need for local storage, but that is largely predicated on whether wireless service is available, what the speed is and what's the cost.

streaming music/video via cloud is fine & dandy if you're at home and have your own wireless, but if you're traveling/vacationing/etc where you're away from home, it can be expensive, maddeningly slow, or inconvenient.

lots of people have data caps on their plan so it can be expensive to use cloud access for content, particularly if you're traveling to another country where your carrier has no coverage. sure most hotels, etc. provide free wireless for their guests. but the problem that i've found is that all the guests staying there are also using it (particularly in the evenings), whether browsing the web or streaming content from Netflix, hulu, etc and the internet speed is slow as ****.

airports and airplanes - they don't offer free internet. sure, you can get internet *if* you pay for it. if i need to get to my emails or do somethng online, i'll pay for it but i'll be damned if it's to watch a movie, not when it's cheaper and more pleasant (no video/audio stuttering or freezing) watching it from local storage on your ipad.

last year, we stayed at a villa in Italy - their Internet router kept dropping signal and signing up for wireless with their local telecom wasn't much faster. if you were relying on cloud access, you would be been mightily dissatisfied.


xxBURT0Nxx said:
Most people could easily plan ahead and transfer anything they need from the cloud to local storage when they are going to the middle of nowhere and will not have service.
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ever try copying a 1.5gb mp4 movie file to your ipad using wireless and seeing how long it takes? no thanks.

i'll gladly pay extra for more local storage then rely on streaming stuff from the cloud.
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as for the earlier poster who said why would you want to do stuff on the ipad when you're vacationing. well, if you go on ski trips like i do, there's not a whole lot you can do when it gets dark and the lifts are closed. there's only so much eating, drinking, and hanging out you can do every night if you plan on on hitting the slopes early the next day to get to untracked snow.

cloud access is so overrated. when you can get unlimited data at consistently fast speeds for little to minimal cost everywhere, that's when i'll change my mind.
 
Steve Wozniak doesn't want the new iPad.

He hasn't been relevant since the ][e. Sorry. This is like asking the Wright brothers what's their take on sub-orbit space flight.

I bet he's still bitter it doesn't come with a serial IO port.
 
bufffilm said:
no one is denying that cloud storage *can* reduce the need for local storage, but that is largely predicated on whether wireless service is available, what the speed is and what's the cost.
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Thats why it's a good thing more and more places are getting covered with high speed data. Of course data caps are of worry to people, but public wifi is also becoming more and more popular. Almost any restaurant I go to has wifi now, airplanes are getting it more and more, coffee shops, retail stores, mcdonalds, tons of places are beginning to offer wifi hotspots, and the numbers are just going to continue to increase. You also have to remember not everyone wants to store just videos. Some people are just looking to store documents, pictures, music, etc. Those are much smaller files which greatly diminish the speed and data cap problems. It's not a perfect situation right now, but within a few years it will be very easy for cloud storage to replace ADDITIONAL local storage. People will be content buying cheaper lower storage models and using cloud services to store their content.

Cloud access might be overrated to you, because you want 1.5gb movies in your cloud, but many other people have simpler needs where cloud storage is completely plausible without worrying about data speed and data caps. Not every person has the same use cases.
 
Woz didn't like the concept of the original Mac either. He is a mad genius & seemingly all around nice guy but what he likes & doesn't like is just another opinion AFAIC.
 
Funny observation - when Woz praises an Apple product, he is a legend and amazing individual. When he says he's not buying a product because he is disappointed and it doesn't fit his needs, he is a crazy person who never really did much for Apple..
 
cababah said:
Oh, 128GB wasn't enough space for you to manage some entertainment options for 5 hours? That's your problem then.
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No. What I'm saying is that you can't rely on cloud storage on its own.

You all oversimplify this. Forget the storage size locally. If I choose to save a file, I can save it to the cloud, say iCloud. When you're not connected to the Web and you try to access these documents, it won't work.

It becomes an issue of juggling files/syncing stuff offline locally, etc. There's no easy answers to this stuff. Some solutions but it's less than perfect without an Internet connection.
 
MicroByte said:
Funny observation - when Woz praises an Apple product, he is a legend and amazing individual. When he says he's not buying a product because he is disappointed and it doesn't fit his needs, he is a crazy person who never really did much for Apple..
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Negative. For 30 years, he's a carnival sideshow. Period.
 
booksbooks said:
If I choose to save a file, I can save it to the cloud, say iCloud. When you're not connected to the Web and you try to access these documents, it won't work.
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Except that's not how it works on iPad. In terms of iCloud, I imagine you're using iWork? When you save a document in, say, Pages, it saves it to your device, and additionally uploads it to iCloud. You can still access it offline.

It becomes an issue of juggling files/syncing stuff offline locally, etc. There's no easy answers to this stuff. Some solutions but it's less than perfect without an Internet connection.
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Sure there is. The easy answer is that you're making these problems up and that the reality of the situation is those problems don't exist - at least, not nearly as often these days as you think.
 
joshdammit said:
Except that's not how it works on iPad. In terms of iCloud, I imagine you're using iWork? When you save a document in, say, Pages, it saves it to your device, and additionally uploads it to iCloud. You can still access it offline.



Sure there is. The easy answer is that you're making these problems up and that the reality of the situation is those problems don't exist - at least, not nearly as often these days as you think.
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First, it is NOT the case these are made up problems.

I have over 5000 documents and growing. Where does iCloud save documents locally? Right, in one directory. I need them organized locally in folders, not all dumped in one All My Files directory. I need subfolders deep.

How is that going to work?

Second, how much storage do you get with iCloud? 5 GB? Imagine if your computer came with a 5 GB hard drive.

It's absurd.

You can upgrade the storage. Right. At a rate of $100 per 50 GB. Imagine paying $100 for a 50 GB hard drive.

Local storage is still much more cost effective. And organizing files locally whilst having those files in iCloud is a train wreck, unless you have a solution.
 
booksbooks said:
I need them organized locally in folders, not all dumped in one All My Files directory. I need subfolders deep.
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iCloud does support folders. Doubt that's enough for organizing your 5000 documents sensibly, though.

Since I often present from my iPhone and iPad, I make heavy use of iCloud. But only my "current" documents go there. Others, I keep in my Dropbox or elsewhere in my file system. Works reasonably well, but like you, I'd prefer a proper folder/subfolder system for iCloud and a lot more space for the money.
 
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