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Steve Wozniak on Apple, Leopard and Jailbreaking the iPhone

Rodimus Prime said:
yeah I agree. I think it is getting time for Jobs to step down. While Jobs is a good CEO when the company was in trouble right now with the company doing great I think he is a poor CEO and likes to have to much control. I do agree apple is rather very hypercritical in how they act. I can not stand hypocrites and that is what apple has become. Jobs is leading them down that path and it is getting time for him to step down and let some else take control and lead the company. It needs fresh leadership and some one who is less of a control freak. Apple is a huge control freak of a company.
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Crazy talk in my opinion. You have folks look from the outside in, and say, "I know better, find someone better." Disagree or agree with Apple's decisions, but they clearly know what they're doing and 2007 (yes, this year!) has been the most fantastic year yet. Open? Not being a control freak? Remember when Apple "opened" to clones, and they found their main source of revenue (at the time) quickly deteriorating, even though they had a scheme to have cloners sell outside the U.S.? It was a mess. I still have my StarMax clone in the other room (it was very cool), and I remember the debates at the time... but Apple was going down hill as a company and had no breaks. They're shooting like a rocket to 64bit, and managed a truly impressive transition to a new chipset with a more robust future. Would that have even been possible in a clone world? I love my StarMax, but I want Apple to be around. If they needed 6 months from launch to complete mobile OSX's security and release an SDK, and felt they couldn't make that announcement until they were certain (first things first, get the phone launched)... then, fine with me. Apple listens to customers. They always have. These demands that Apple relinquish "control" and loosen up, seem very "I want to have my cake and eat it too".

Apple along with Google are launching a two pronged attack on the status quo in the mobile industry. Apple with OSX and Google with its gPhone OS. Most people can't seem to understand how Apple is clearly making each network it is on be valued for the strength of the network performance as a whole (coverage, call quality, drops), and NOT for uniqueness of its carrier specific features. This is a HUGE undertaking, especially doing so while trying to produce a revolutionary consumer friendly device.

People wildly slinging their "GOOD/BAD" stamp need to take a step back and look at the larger game being played. Jobs was criticised for Apple's use of DRM, yet they couldn't even play the game without it (and even tried waiting). Now, they're encouraging exactly what the studios never wanted to do, and the pressure is making these studios balk.

I find it personally insulting for someone to say, "when the company's doing poorly, he was a great CEO, but now that [he improved those conditions] he's a poor CEO". What the hell IS that really? Let him work wonders and then kick him out and turn the company into a consumer grab bag? How's that even supposed to make sense? Apple gives consumers what they want. Impatience due to Apple doing such a stellar job, shouldn't be misconstrued as Apple somehow NOT giving consumers what they want. It's just not FAST enough given the apetite they've created. This is nothing to fault Apple or Steve Jobs for.

~ CB
 
Rodimus Prime said:
yeah I agree. I think it is getting time for Jobs to step down. While Jobs is a good CEO when the company was in trouble right now with the company doing great I think he is a poor CEO and likes to have to much control. I do agree apple is rather very hypercritical in how they act. I can not stand hypocrites and that is what apple has become. Jobs is leading them down that path and it is getting time for him to step down and let some else take control and lead the company. It needs fresh leadership and some one who is less of a control freak. Apple is a huge control freak of a company.
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Go smoke another bowl while you're at it. Steve Wozniak has never been successful in business. He stopped being an intricate part of Apple decades ago.

You want to put Wozniak at the head of the company? Grow up. He's not a visionary nor a business man.

He's a specific task problem solver. He doesn't see the problem and solves it. He is shown the problem and finds a solution.

To the point, he stopped being that "brilliant engineer" decades ago.

Now he's a piece of nostalgia that people keep alive by asking about his opinion on OS X.

Either he contributes to something that he blabs about or shuts the hell up on what it should do or not do and especially what he thinks Apple should or should not do.

The reason Apple works is that everyone knows their place.

Whine about hypocrisy on Apple and blame Steve Jobs. Don't forget you get the operating system you have because of these purported hypocrites of industry.
 
Cleverboy said:
Crazy talk in my opinion. You have folks look from the outside in, and say, "I know better, find someone better." Disagree or agree with Apple's decisions, but they clearly know what they're doing and 2007 (yes, this year!) has been the most fantastic year yet. Open? Not being a control freak? Remember when Apple "opened" to clones, and they found their main source of revenue (at the time) quickly deteriorating, even though they had a scheme to have cloners sell outside the U.S.? It was a mess. I still have my StarMax clone in the other room (it was very cool), and I remember the debates at the time... but Apple was going down hill as a company and had no breaks. They're shooting like a rocket to 64bit, and managed a truly impressive transition to a new chipset with a more robust future. Would that have even been possible in a clone world? I love my StarMax, but I want Apple to be around. If they needed 6 months from launch to complete mobile OSX's security and release an SDK, and felt they couldn't make that announcement until they were certain (first things first, get the phone launched)... then, fine with me. Apple listens to customers. They always have. These demands that Apple relinquish "control" and loosen up, seem very "I want to have my cake and eat it too".

Apple along with Google are launching a two pronged attack on the status quo in the mobile industry. Apple with OSX and Google with its gPhone OS. Most people can't seem to understand how Apple is clearly making each network it is on be valued for the strength of the network performance as a whole (coverage, call quality, drops), and NOT for uniqueness of its carrier specific features. This is a HUGE undertaking, especially doing so while trying to produce a revolutionary consumer friendly device.

People wildly slinging their "GOOD/BAD" stamp need to take a step back and look at the larger game being played. Jobs was criticised for Apple's use of DRM, yet they couldn't even play the game without it (and even tried waiting). Now, they're encouraging exactly what the studios never wanted to do, and the pressure is making these studios balk.

I find it personally insulting for someone to say, "when the company's doing poorly, he was a great CEO, but now that [he improved those conditions] he's a poor CEO". What the hell IS that really? Let him work wonders and then kick him out and turn the company into a consumer grab bag? How's that even supposed to make sense? Apple gives consumers what they want. Impatience due to Apple doing such a stellar job, shouldn't be misconstrued as Apple somehow NOT giving consumers what they want. It's just not FAST enough given the apetite they've created. This is nothing to fault Apple or Steve Jobs for.

~ CB
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And 99.9% of these come from folks who never worked under Steve Jobs in any of his companies.

Here is a man whose failure at NeXT was the salvation of Apple. The technologies we had at NeXT were over a decade before it's time. PIXAR pioneered an entire industry. Apple Part II is making the Computing Industry something worth being in once again.

People haven't even seen the stuff the Cocoa Frameworks and more will create for App developers. Most of the software we had in 1996 at NeXT is still cutting edge today.

Leopard finally dumping the Mac Legacy has been long overdue.

Now more than ever this platform solution is truly special.

Linux and OS X continue to expand and influence the industry as a whole, alongside Solaris and the BSDs.

What Woz got right is that most people are so plainly simple minded that they use their computers for a diversion.

Video Games, IM, Video Sex and the ilk. Blogging being hip is proof of how damn narcissistic the average person can be.

Most of the crap on personal blogs are reminiscent of high school clicks where people do nothing but gab about meaningless crap.

Hell, most of the "reviews" on OS X are from people who haven't a clue about the system.

Arstechnica's review is nice, but unfortunately should have taken more than 2 days after Leopard's release to be thorough.

I'll stop.

Most of these people weren't even born when Wozniak left Apple, let alone helped found it.
 
Its a shame Woz hasn't got any influence, he has his head screwed on. I suppose its far easier being an observer though.

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redAPPLE said:
this may have been addressed one time or another but, re: iPhone, apple is partnering with att. don't you think it is att's idea of locking the phone? don't you think it is the riaa's idea of selling the songs again to create ringtones? maybe apple signed an nda to not discuss this. not defending apple, but this is one possibility.
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As usual, its never Apple fault.... :\

RIAA would be going after Nokia , SE et al if this was the case since their phone sales make iPhone look like a drop in the ocean. But they ( RIAA ) aren't.

iPhone must be about the only phone that you can't upload ring tones to.
 
Hah, I know Steve's game. "3rd party applications" are being held back because they'll be a major touted feature for the iPhone2, he will announce it at one of the special events and everyone will cheer and do a standing ovation - result: it looks like a major new feature :)

Edit: obviously by Steve here I mean Jobs!
 
Woz is da man!

Woz is definitely a Mac minded person. He's all for the end user and has heart without an eye on the $$$. On the other hand, Steve Jobs is definitely the reason Apple has made so much money.

Apple needed both of them to become what it is today. Too bad Woz is not still there...but Steve and Woz would probably never be able to coexist in the same office anymore.
 
The 60's/70's are over, hippy. Reality is that computerized devices are tools to perform specific tasks in lieu of doing things manually (and hopefully the computer is better/smarter at it).

If Woz was so concerned he would have not given up designing computer systems to indoctrinating young heads full of mush into the State School system in the People's Republic of California.

He basically sounds like a jilted ex-lover of Steve Jobs, bitter with betrayal all those years ago when Jobs dared to try make profit (and thus make a living, and provide a living to millions of people in the information age) off of some Utopian pie-in-the-sky idea of a computer thought up by Woz.

Go back to dating that moronic convergence of a red-head Woz, the world has moved on - so should you.
 
Cleverboy said:
Crazy talk in my opinion. You have folks look from the outside in, and say, "I know better, find someone better." Disagree or agree with Apple's decisions, but they clearly know what they're doing and 2007 (yes, this year!) has been the most fantastic year yet. Open? Not being a control freak? Remember when Apple "opened" to clones, and they found their main source of revenue (at the time) quickly deteriorating, even though they had a scheme to have cloners sell outside the U.S.? It was a mess. I still have my StarMax clone in the other room (it was very cool), and I remember the debates at the time... but Apple was going down hill as a company and had no breaks. They're shooting like a rocket to 64bit, and managed a truly impressive transition to a new chipset with a more robust future. Would that have even been possible in a clone world? I love my StarMax, but I want Apple to be around. If they needed 6 months from launch to complete mobile OSX's security and release an SDK, and felt they couldn't make that announcement until they were certain (first things first, get the phone launched)... then, fine with me. Apple listens to customers. They always have. These demands that Apple relinquish "control" and loosen up, seem very "I want to have my cake and eat it too".

Apple along with Google are launching a two pronged attack on the status quo in the mobile industry. Apple with OSX and Google with its gPhone OS. Most people can't seem to understand how Apple is clearly making each network it is on be valued for the strength of the network performance as a whole (coverage, call quality, drops), and NOT for uniqueness of its carrier specific features. This is a HUGE undertaking, especially doing so while trying to produce a revolutionary consumer friendly device.

People wildly slinging their "GOOD/BAD" stamp need to take a step back and look at the larger game being played. Jobs was criticised for Apple's use of DRM, yet they couldn't even play the game without it (and even tried waiting). Now, they're encouraging exactly what the studios never wanted to do, and the pressure is making these studios balk.

I find it personally insulting for someone to say, "when the company's doing poorly, he was a great CEO, but now that [he improved those conditions] he's a poor CEO". What the hell IS that really? Let him work wonders and then kick him out and turn the company into a consumer grab bag? How's that even supposed to make sense? Apple gives consumers what they want. Impatience due to Apple doing such a stellar job, shouldn't be misconstrued as Apple somehow NOT giving consumers what they want. It's just not FAST enough given the apetite they've created. This is nothing to fault Apple or Steve Jobs for.

~ CB
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in the end I still think it is getting time for Steve Jobs to step down. Apple in the past went from being a great company to about ot go under. Steve Jobs was the one who made this mistakes early on that set them down that direction and even Steve Jobs agrees when he was fired from apple it needed to happen. He came back and really help out Apple but I can see him making the same mistakes again. Steve Jobs is a very very argogent man and that will be his undoing. Apple wants openness but refuses them selves to be that way. OSX can stay on just macs but they need to be more opens. I love how people bring up the mac clones being a mistake and it should never be tried again. Part fo the problem was how they did the cloning. At some point apple is going to have no choice. Apple already is having supply problems and their growth is going to really start being hurt by that.

I just think it getting time for Steve Jobs to step down. I think what needs to happen is he needs to make an announcement that he is planning on doing it and bring out the person who will replace him. Give it a year between the announcement and when he does it to give everyone time to adjust. It would be better than him being fired or all of a sudden doing it. It would be controlled change. Now if it Woz or some one else it does not matter but it is getting time for a change.
 
Somebody already said this but I agree in that Woz is ONLY saying this because he doesn't have to deal with ANYTHING that he says.

He can make himself out to be such a good guy, and a hero to the people... but it's because he doesn't have to back anything up.

Hey everyone... I think war is stupid and if I had the power... everyone would live in peace and be rich and live forever!!!! Who likes what I said? Anyone? Must mean I'd make a great world leader.
 
mdriftmeyer said:
Either he contributes to something that he blabs about or shuts the hell up on what it should do or not do and especially what he thinks Apple should or should not do.
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If you follow the rules you've set up for Woz, you'd now have to 'shut the hell up' yourself. Me too. Hey, MacRumors. Shut down the forums and the rest of the site. :rolleyes:
 
Rodimus Prime said:
yeah I agree. I think it is getting time for Jobs to step down. While Jobs is a good CEO when the company was in trouble right now with the company doing great I think he is a poor CEO and likes to have to much control. I do agree apple is rather very hypercritical in how they act. I can not stand hypocrites and that is what apple has become. Jobs is leading them down that path and it is getting time for him to step down and let some else take control and lead the company. It needs fresh leadership and some one who is less of a control freak. Apple is a huge control freak of a company.
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If you think Steve Wozniak would make a better CEO than Steve Jobs, I suggest that you google "Wheels of Zeus".
 
I totally agree with Cleverboy and mdriftmeyer on their points.

Apple is what you get when you have someone like Steve Jobs at the helm.

Sony and Home Depot are what you get when you don't. Period.

It amazes me how absolutely stupid some of the people on this board can be.
 
boss1 said:
ok ok. Woz............. is in a position............ where he doesn't have to be held accountable for what he says.

He may truly mean what he says but I think it's no coincidence the things he says garners support towards him as a 'leader' of the computer/mac movement ;) . It's pretty apparent he has support from people on the boards at least. Awesome politics; that's all I have to say about his interview(s).


I wonder if Steve J. is banging his forehead on the desk while reading his statements.
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You've clearly never met Woz... He is being totally sincere here. It's not politics, he just wants to see an open platform.
 
Lots of props to the Woz, but his gripes about the closed nature of the iPhone ring a little hollow to me.

You see, there once was a company he worked for (or may still work for) called Danger, Inc. that made a portable phone called the HipTop. This device was revolutionary for its time - and it was a closed platform.

Oh yeah, there was an SDK released for it and you could release apps provided they were blessed by the OEM.

And it took a year before any of this was possible.

-- Former HipTop owner.
 
mdriftmeyer said:
He's a specific task problem solver. He doesn't see the problem and solves it. He is shown the problem and finds a solution.
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You're right that Woz would be a terrible choice for a CEO. He'll be the first to say that Apple and the PC could not have happened without a businessman like Jobs.

But you're way wrong here. Apple and the PC would not have happened without Woz either. He wasn't shown a problem that led him to the creation of the PC. He saw the potential and, just for fun, put it together. It was nothing short of visionary. Just look at all the people that had the chance at the PC, or even had devices already 90% of the way there, and didn't understand how great it was.

You just can't minimize the role of either Woz or Jobs and can't deny they were visionaries, even if they saw different visions. Woz made the PC. Jobs made the PC big.
 
Rodimus,

Come on dude. That's idiotic! You sound like your 12 years old. Why would a CEO step down when the company is enjoying this much success? The stock would take a nose dive on news like that. No sensible person would suggest such a thing. That's just really, really stupid.
 
Spades said:
You're right that Woz would be a terrible choice for a CEO. He'll be the first to say that Apple and the PC could not have happened without a businessman like Jobs.

But you're way wrong here. Apple and the PC would not have happened without Woz either. He wasn't shown a problem that led him to the creation of the PC. He saw the potential and, just for fun, put it together. It was nothing short of visionary. Just look at all the people that had the chance at the PC, or even had devices already 90% of the way there, and didn't understand how great it was.

You just can't minimize the role of either Woz or Jobs and can't deny they were visionaries, even if they saw different visions. Woz made the PC. Jobs made the PC big.
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Actually, in the beginning, Woz did not see the potential. Steve had to persuade Woz big time.

But yes it is true, without either of them, we probably won't be here right now in term of technology.
 
mdriftmeyer said:
Arstechnica's review is nice, but unfortunately should have taken more than 2 days after Leopard's release to be thorough.
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As far as I'm aware it was being written since the release of the WWDC build, was only touched up in the last few days due to some minor changes.
 
I rarely post here but...

I felt inclined to put into writing what most people who know Apple already know.

WOZ is Apple.

"The real dreams of how it will work for someone who knows nothing about the computer have been lost and don't get addressed anymore." -WOZ

EXACTLY! Apple is the best we have today. BeOS and Haiku-OS have/are trying to carry on the tradition but in reality Apple is the closest thing we have to what WOZ was trying to say.

WOZ really needs to be a bit more public.

:apple:
 
Woz is so last century

Not to dis him, but Woz isn't a player.

Kudos to him for what he did 3 decades ago, but what's he done lately?

And this crazy talk about Jobs stepping down and Woz replacing him? Get real. The stock would drop like a rock and Apple would wither on the vine. I don't know whom Apple is grooming to replace Jobs, but only a single person, Akiro Morita, co-founder of Sony, has to date exceeded Jobs leadership, and he passed on quite some time ago.

tom
 
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