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"The prototype was hand-wired while I was still an engineer at Hewlett-Packard's Advanced Product Division, where I was involved in the design of hand-held calculators."

Queue the lawsuits ;)
You're misreading what he is saying. He didn't say he did it at work, merely that he was still employed by HP. It's not likely he brought it to work to do the wiring, etc. Most likely he did it at home.
 
It all depends on what the contract of employment says (if there was one back then) and the policies and procedures of the company at that time. In today's society such a thing is called the 'Company handbook' which outlines what an employee is allowed to do and not allowed to do. Such a handbook also stipulates the responsibilities of the employer.

I know when I moved from manufacturing to Engineering, there was a clause in my contract that stated anything I designed, made or produced whilst under company hours, such designs, documents, drawings and anything else built was the sole property of the company.

The question would now be, was Woz under similar restrictions when he and Job's formed the company. If there is nothing then the schematics are not protected and are Woz's property for him to do as he wishes BUT if there is company documentation back then that stipulates anything designed whilst an employee of Apple and done on during working hours is the property of the company, then the schematics are the property of Apple and can only be shown with Apple's authorisation.

Woz stated that the documents were circa 1975, Apple was officially founded April 1st 1976 so the schematics can't be the property Apple as there was no Apple computer in 1975.
 
Woz stated that the documents were circa 1975, Apple was officially founded April 1st 1976 so the schematics can't be the property Apple as there was no Apple computer in 1975.
Ahhh yes but here is the snag, if Woz specifically used those schematics to help build the Apple II, which was introduced in 1977, one year after the formation of the company, then the information on those pieces of paper is the property of Apple under IP (Intellectual Property) BUT the actual pieces of paper the schematics are written on belong to Woz because it was done on paper before the company was formed.

Apple could claim that the drawings are protected under Apples IP but not the physical paper.
 
Ahhh yes but here is the snag, if Woz specifically used those schematics to help build the Apple II, which was introduced in 1977, one year after the formation of the company, then the information on those pieces of paper is the property of Apple under IP (Intellectual Property) BUT the actual pieces of paper the schematics are written on belong to Woz because it was done on paper before the company was formed.

Apple could claim that the drawings are protected under Apples IP but not the physical paper.
When you purchased an Apple II the Reference Manual contained the complete schematic of the entire computer's circuitry so I don't think they're going to worry about a few prototype drawings from before the company was founded being sold in 2020.
 
When you purchased an Apple II the Reference Manual contained the complete schematic of the entire computer's circuitry so I don't think they're going to worry about a few prototype drawings from before the company was founded being sold in 2020.
It's not that simple. If the reference manual contains the words such as 'Property of Apple' or 'Copyright 1977' (when the Apple II was released) or words to that effect then the reference manual and everything in it is copyrighted and cannot be reproduced without the express permission of Apple.

The hand drawn schematics are not something Apple might worry about BUT if they wanted to, the law would be on their side on this one, in my opinion.
 
And well deserved. Steve was a good sales person but I kind of admire the work of Woz more.

You need engineering and marketing to succeed. The Woz's of the world could sit in their basements building genius inventions that nobody sees. The Jobs' of the world could spend their lives pedaling snake oil. They need each other.


The circuit design of the Apple ][ is very impressive and innovative. The way Woz implemented the color graphics and video output was especially clever iirc.
And the floppy drive controller gets a lot of attention as well. I can't remember the component count off the top of my head, but it was a massive savings just from looking at it differently.
 
"The prototype was hand-wired while I was still an engineer at Hewlett-Packard's Advanced Product Division, where I was involved in the design of hand-held calculators."

Queue the lawsuits ;)
HP is out-of-luck. He offered his designs to HP, but they turned down the stuff designed by a mere technician without a degree, and gave Woz a full IP release.

Apple has since completely torn down the old HP Cupertino complex where Woz worked, and replaced it mostly with trees (except for the old barn). But they probably paid some sad sorry remnant of HP a nice price for land.
 
No the law would not be on their side as the statute of limitations apply.
Statue of limitations does not apply here because the limitation only comes into affect when a violation has been discovered, in this case, the taking of photo's of the documents. Now the documents have been photographed and displayed online, Apple now have a 3 year time limit to make a claim IF they want to.
 
The price of this type of stuff is so ridiculous. That is NOT going to be worth more than 630k in the future. So if it's not an investment, then I guess it's just something for rich superfans to hang on their wall
I've never understood it either. Posterity and such but just goes to show there's a subtle difference between what something is worth and what it actually costs.
 
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