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Pieces of paper selling for half a million dollars...the auctioneers must be laughing all the way to the bank. Our society is truly in need of dire help, when some pay this much for paper that'll surely degrade in time, while others are so terribly destitute. Of course there is no easy solution, and who am I to tell people how to spend their money?
 
Pieces of paper selling for half a million dollars...the auctioneers must be laughing all the way to the bank. Our society is truly in need of dire help, when some pay this much for paper that'll surely degrade in time, while others are so terribly destitute. Of course there is no easy solution, and who am I to tell people how to spend their money?
Hasn't that sort of thing been in existence throughout the history of humanity?
 
The price of this type of stuff is so ridiculous. That is NOT going to be worth more than 630k in the future. So if it's not an investment, then I guess it's just something for rich superfans to hang on their wall
The reason this stuff sells for so much is because it's one of a kind (or few of a kind for the Apple I).

It only takes a small number of wealthy people, for whom $630K isn't a lot of money, to compete and bid the price up to those levels.
 
Will someone more familiar with the legal ramifications of this explain to me how this is legal? Isn’t this confidential company information? Or is it more of a statutes of limitations thing where since it’s so old now it’s okay to be “leaked” to the public?

Doesn’t appear to be anything on that paper that isn’t readily apparent to anyone looking at the machine’s motherboard. So nothing secret.

Not to mention that woz probably willingly handed it to whoever first owned it.
 
Although I’ve never spoken to or met Woz, he seems to be a genuinely good person, I’m glad for his success and hope he is enjoying the heck out of it every day!
 
Pieces of paper selling for half a million dollars...the auctioneers must be laughing all the way to the bank. Our society is truly in need of dire help, when some pay this much for paper that'll surely degrade in time, while others are so terribly destitute. Of course there is no easy solution, and who am I to tell people how to spend their money?

Well, what about the Gutenberg Bible that Bill Gates bought for $millions some years ago? It’s just pieces of paper is it not? Or the Magna Carta, just a piece of paper, right? Oh, and the Declaration of Independence is just a piece of paper too. So many pieces of paper that people pay millions for that when that money could have gone to pay the rent of some welfare queen in some big city.
 
While I have nothing against people spending their money as they see fit (so long as it does not exploit nor harm anyone), I am nevertheless amused at the amount of money rich people pay for certain things that I simply do not see the value in.

It's hard to imagine that being able to blow such amounts of money on (arguably) trivial things does not impact your opinion of those who cannot.

All that said, this is cool as hell and would go good in my pool house bathroom! ;)
 
While I have nothing against people spending their money as they see fit (so long as it does not exploit nor harm anyone), I am nevertheless amused at the amount of money rich people pay for certain things that I simply do not see the value in.

It's hard to imagine that being able to blow such amounts of money on (arguably) trivial things does not impact your opinion of those who cannot.

All that said, this is cool as hell and would go good in my pool house bathroom! ;)
You think rich people buy stuff willy nilly? Rich people didn't get rich by being stupid or spendthrifts. Woz’s hand written notes and schematics have vaule as an investment. In ten years they could be worth 25% more. Smart rich people buy art, rare books, antiquities, etc.

While many here think Apple is nothing special, not exceptional, and just another manufacturer, the rest of the world thinks otherwise. Jobs and Woz have entered the lexicon of the culture. Whether nerds think so or not Apple, Woz, Jobs have been credited as the inventors of the personal computer and their work, autographs, early products are very collectible and valuable.
 
You think rich people buy stuff willy nilly?
Yes. Who (with disposable income) doesn't?
Rich people didn't get rich by being stupid or spendthrifts.
I find the implication that if you're rich you are smart preposterous. It ignores and assumes WAY to much (and sounds like right-wing BS rhetoric).
Woz’s hand written notes and schematics have vaule as an investment. In ten years they could be worth 25% more.
That already takes into account that someone assigned that piece of paper such an enormous value, which is more to my point and the source of my amusement and intrigue.
Smart rich people buy art, rare books, antiquities, etc.
So do regular folks. The markup is different, though, given what they can afford. There are collectors on all income tiers.
While many here think Apple is nothing special, not exceptional, and just another manufacturer, the rest of the world thinks otherwise. Jobs and Woz have entered the lexicon of the culture. Whether nerds think so or not Apple, Woz, Jobs have been credited as the inventors of the personal computer and their work, autographs, early products are very collectible and valuable.
I also agree with Woz's impact in world history. However, I feel this artifact is a "fanboy" item. We already have preserved his actual contributions recorded, or in hardware. I (personally) don't need his t-shirt 'cause I think the Woz is cool (even if I don't object to anyone else feeling that way... to each their own).

My amusement really stemmed from the fact that such high value is attributed to what is effectively (and admittedly reductively) a piece of paper with ink on it that someone famous wrote something on.
 
My amusement really stemmed from the fact that such high value is attributed to what is effectively (and admittedly reductively) a piece of paper with ink on it that someone famous wrote something on.
Isn't that essentially similar to what most of art is and has been for centuries and centuries?
 
Isn't that essentially similar to what most of art is and has been for centuries and centuries?
Yes, although in this case I feel this is more of a "collectible" than the typical "artwork".

Again, what drives my amusement is what others consider "art" to be and how they assign it value, not necessarily whether their conclusion has or doesn't have merit.
 
Yes, although in this case I feel this is more of a "collectible" than the typical "artwork".

Again, what drives my amusement is what others consider "art" to be and how they assign it value, not necessarily whether their conclusion has or doesn't have merit.
Well, to some if not many artwork can be seen as a collectible as well. When it comes to something subjective of that nature, different people will have different views of it (be it actual art or something else), without any particular one really being better or worse than the other.
 
Well, to some if not many artwork can be seen as a collectible as well. When it comes to something subjective of that nature, different people will have different views of it (be it actual art or something else), without any particular one really being better or worse than the other.
Sounds like we're in agreement then, as the above is basically what I was trying to say. :)

It's indeed that subjectivity the part that amuses and interests me.
 
It's not that simple. If the reference manual contains the words such as 'Property of Apple' or 'Copyright 1977' (when the Apple II was released) or words to that effect then the reference manual and everything in it is copyrighted and cannot be reproduced without the express permission of Apple.

The hand drawn schematics are not something Apple might worry about BUT if they wanted to, the law would be on their side on this one, in my opinion.
Nothing is being “reproduced.” So no copyright issue.
 
Sounds like we're in agreement then, as the above is basically what I was trying to say. :)

It's indeed that subjectivity the part that amuses and interests me.
Well, what I've been alluding to is that that sort of subjectivity isn't anything new or unusual, and has been around for ages in relation to art and all sorts of other things.
 
Pieces of paper selling for half a million dollars...the auctioneers must be laughing all the way to the bank.
No different from you. When you pass away, the people who liquidate your estate will probably say the same about stuff you paid for (with a similar fraction of your income) that has to be thrown out because nobody else needs it.
 
Well, what I've been alluding to is that that sort of subjectivity isn't anything new or unusual, and has been around for ages in relation to art and all sorts of other things.
The fact that something's been around for ages does not remove the merit of evaluating and discussing it. This too, has been done for ages in relation to art and all sorts of other things.

In this case, we're talking about a design document written on a piece of paper for a piece of technology that already exists, that probably has already been preserved via technical documents and hardware archiving, and which is now obsolete.

Aside from its historical (and cool) value in the tech sector, I'm of the opinion that this thing is not worth hundreds of thousands of dollars. But clearly someone willing to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on an objectively unnecessary item disagrees.

And that's OK for them to do, and for anyone to call it out.
 
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