Still Haven't Noticed Anything Wrong With Apple's Maps... (Rant-ish)

[pdqgp]

...and who's to say that they didn't report back to Apple?

Again, there is no information saying that they haven't or won't do that. I simply stated that, with the official launch of iOS6 and the iPhone 5, that they probably have had their hands full. Time will tell either way.

I'm not saying they didn't, I'm asking where it's noted if they did. Did they made their users aware of the known issue and their being aware of it and thus to expect issues until either Apple addresses some concern or they the 3P company make arrangements ot deal with another mapping company such as Google.

I would think they would notify you somehow, otherwise you and others using their apps are left in the dark. Based on the replies and information thus far, they have not done that and instead continue to keep their users in the dark and their app for sale knowing it won't work properly, in which case, that's just as bad as what you claim Apple has done. Perhaps you cut them a break for having their hands full. I'm sure Apple has their hands full too yet no breaks for them eh? What's funny is Run Keeper still shows images of their product integrated with Google Maps.

That you want to remove focus from Apple, who have already admitted they have crappy maps, and place it on the developers who had fully functioning apps before hand and were promised the same or better maps, is laughable.

It's not laughable. They had access to the developers kit and iOS6. IF they base their product on the same talk and marketing users did in that it's the same or better vs the actual usage and development working with the product, that's what's laughable. There's every bit the reason to point to a 3P developer for being responsible that your stuff purchased from them isn't working. Again, didn't they test the final product or work with the new maps at all?

For them, it's only been released for a few weeks and, even if they had a few months warning, major modifications and the following testing can take time. Apple has had years to buy, build and develop and they still dropped the ball.

I'm sure they've had the development kit for more than a few weeks or at the very least knew of the changes and concerns from no doubt at lease June. I say June only because that's when the concerns started popping up here on this board. I'm sure they knew even earlier. Regardless for them them not to post in their release notes that such issues were to be expected, then shame on them just the same as Apple for not telling you.

I didn't say all the threads, I pointed out this one. You're "in before" comment is what started (yet another) debate which could be found in numerous other threads and once again shows that you're here looking for an argument, nothing more.

My in before comment was very accurate as this topic comes up in every related thread you're in brought up by you. I just happen to get here first. It's not me looking for an argument, again, this is very relevant information. If you can blame Apple, it's also very fair the 3P companies you keep implying are victims be exposed just the same. It's called bringing out other aspects not yet mentioned. If you want to call that an argument, that's up to you.

 

[SomeDudeAsking]

Nothing wrong? Bull feces. Just by me, there are two major parks incorrectly located. Apple Maps thinks one is the other. And it also doesn't know there is a bridge crossing over a major river connecting the two. And these two parks have been there for over 25 years. Google Maps online shows these places correctly. Want to meet your friends at one of the parks? Well, using Apple Maps, you will have to hike around until you get lucky.

 

[xraytech]

Had a good experience with Apple Maps this weekend in San Diego.

Now hitches at all. Turn-By-Turn worked flawlwessly and POIs even the "Whole in the Wall", were spot on.

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It's okay that you prefer it. You don't need a forum's approval!

Well you can say the same thing about the people who disapprove of Apple Maps.

They don't need a forum's approval.

 

[faroZ06]

I love the turn-by-turn navigation of Apples new maps. Here in SoCal it's been nothing but flawless

Yep, it works OK in Los Angeles.

It did have trouble finding a camp in the mountains in Malibu (Camp Hess Kramer), navigating us on the Pacific Coast Highway to the hill it's actually on and not up the mountain road that one would turn onto from PCH. But that's a tough one, and our Garmin navigator didn't do much better.

I think all of the screenshots of Maps showing a lack of smaller roads were taken during navigation. During navigation, it doesn't show all of the little roads if you are not going to take them. It shouldn't matter (ideally), but I wish it would show them because sometimes, you have to take a detour.

 

[SporkLover]

I'm not sure why people are so militant in their defense of or attacks against Maps.

The fact is that it is a pretty immature product. Takes time and and active user and developer base to help improve the product. Given the good start that it has, I would imagine it won't take long for it to churn out more consistent good results. It's an immature product. YMMV.


I for one am happy that apple is taking a stab at improving maps. Although the Google Maps product was useful, it Pales in comparison to the full maps offering on the Android platform. For one reason or another the full power of google maps never migrated to the iphone. It was one thing I constantly complained about when comparing the platforms; apples integrated maps feature just plain sucked. Now they are on the up and up.

 

[Jrh1194]

No joke, whats up with people coming in and bragging about something as lame as a product actually working? Is that where we are now with Apple, starting treads about their stuff working? WOW!

Complaining about something always gets exaggerated and tends to attract alot of "me too" posts. Most people don't take the time to post that something is working well for them. It is obvious that the Maps app needs some work, but it is not a disaster for everyone.

 

[MozMan68]

I'm sure they had access to the maps revisions just as everyone else though. Again, just like those here who had seen the maps issues since mid-June, I don't think it was a surprise to see what was delivered in the final product. I don't recall seeing anything from Apple that said they were addressing the mistakes or lack of public transportation or bike routes, etc. What they provided them to work with is what they likely based their product interface from. One does not expect a 3P Developer to make assumptions. I expect them to test the product fully.



One would think that would also involve insuring the maps portion works and is accurate. Again, I worked for a software company selling ERP for years and we integrated with core applications like JD Edwards and yes, changes like this occurred and it was up to us to test all aspects of the software including the final results just as the end user would. Often times we found errors within the core app and reported them back. We did that because in the end, it impacted our customers and such testing was part of our insuring quality.



Again, I'm sure they were aware of the accuracy issues or lack of Public Transit or Bike Trails, etc. and if so I would think they would want to integrate directly with Google Again. Especially if one of the features that was removed was a key element to their application. If it wasn't key but the accuracy of the maps is then again, complete testing and awareness to the accuracy issues is expected. I mean if a group of users here is seeing the errors as of June if not earlier, I would not see any reason a developer wouldn't have been aware.



It's relevant and needed brought up as I'm not the only one mentioning it in the threads that are active. No reason it shouldn't be discussed as it's a point you and many others keep making so let's keep the discussion on the matter going.

Why do people keep mentioning lack of public transportation.

It was always presented as a third party aspect of maps and it worked great for me less than one week in.

 

[pdqgp]

Why do people keep mentioning lack of public transportation. It was always presented as a third party aspect of maps and it worked great for me less than one week in.

Personally it means nothing to me as I don't use public transit much at all. The only time was in Japan and there I used a third party app. I only mention it as so many here complain about it not being integrated and that 3P apps are so much less convenient and efficient, etc.....again, their view not mine. Likely the same people with 100+ apps on their phone too.

 

[MozMan68]

Personally it means nothing to me as I don't use public transit much at all. The only time was in Japan and there I used a third party app. I only mention it as so many here complain about it not being integrated and that 3P apps are so much less convenient and efficient, etc.....again, their view not mine. Likely the same people with 100+ apps on their phone too.

Hah...well, I for one am happy to go through one extra step in maps to get a better transit option.

 

[chiefpavvy]

In before the trolls & fAndroids...(too late)

I've found a few mistakes but nothing earth shattering. And I agree Siri's new turn-by-turn is fantastic.

 

[RTWG]

Saying that there's nothing wrong with Apple's maps just because you haven't noticed anything wrong with it is like saying that crime doesn't exist just because you haven't been mugged. Everyone's experience is different. Count yourself lucky that you've had a good experience.

 

[SporkLover]

Why do people keep mentioning lack of public transportation.

It was always presented as a third party aspect of maps and it worked great for me less than one week in.

As true as your statement is, I still say the gripe about public transportation is legitimate. The new maps solution doesn't have the same feature set as the last one and some people used those features. Third party solutions aren't as tightly integrated.

All true statements.

 

[fredaroony]

The only people who generally post about something is when they have something negative to say about it.

The vast majority do not post because the software works flawlessly.

Its really frustrating that people living in some podunk town in some 2nd tier market (for Apple) don't realize that Apple has far more important things to worry about like major US cities.

And before these people go off on the "but Google tangent" it took Google years to roll out functionality in the United States let alone 2nd tier markets like the UK or Germany.

How American of you....clearly you have no clue of which you speak.

Have a look at where Apple's growth is http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/04/apples-monster-quarter-in-4-charts/256311/

 

[MozMan68]

As true as your statement is, I still say the gripe about public transportation is legitimate. The new maps solution doesn't have the same feature set as the last one and some people used those features. Third party solutions aren't as tightly integrated.

All true statements.

As I stated...third party apps actually have MORE features than Google with the only downside being one has to take one extra step in the map app to click the app.

People should actually try it before bashing it. If one extra tap of the finger is too much to ask for a better solution, than I guess those folks should stick with Google.

I've only had to us one app, HopStop, and I have to say I was pretty impressed with the results, graphics, I of given, route options....way more features than Google.

 

[sk1wbw]

Isn't the turn by turn provided by TomTom? So why not blame TomTom? On a whim, I decided to try out the new Maps app. I've never used a smartphone based maps app for navigation before, so I gave it shot today.

We went to Swansboro to look at houses. My wife has a real GPS device in the car and she programmed it. I decided to see what all the hate and discontent was all about, so I tried it on my iPhone 5.

Honestly, why all the bitching, whining, moaning, griping, and complaining? It worked for me. I actually liked the way it looked and even on Verizon's 3G, the thing kept up with me.

I actually think people just like bitching about some different.

 

[SporkLover]

As I stated...third party apps actually have MORE features than Google with the only downside being one has to take one extra step in the map app to click the app.

People should actually try it before bashing it. If one extra tap of the finger is too much to ask for a better solution, than I guess those folks should stick with Google.

I've only had to us one app, HopStop, and I have to say I was pretty impressed with the results, graphics, I of given, route options....way more features than Google.

As true as your statement is, I still say the gripe about public transportation is legitimate. The new maps solution doesn't have the same feature set as the last one and some people used those features. Third party solutions aren't as tightly integrated.

All true statements.

 

[fredaroony]

Isn't the turn by turn provided by TomTom? So why not blame TomTom?

No, only the actual map data is supplied by Tomtom but the app is written by Apple hence why this is Apple's fault.

 

[Tom G.]

I've not had any problems with the few times I've used Apple maps here in central Illinois. I wish I could get the app to open in the street map view instead of the satellite view, but that is a small matter.

The Chinese, the Vikings, the Portuguese, and Columbus had no Google maps, or Apple maps, or TomTom Navigator, or any thing else and still found their way to unknown places and back again. Yet with our supposed superior minds and technical tools so many claim they can't find a Starbucks 6 blocks away, because their app doesn't work 100% correctly.

No mapping system ever works correctly 100% of the time. Your brain is supposed to be part of the equation.

Before all this uproar there were plenty of articles about people driving into rivers because Google said there was a bridge where there wasn't one. Or people tried to drive through mountain passes in the winter because Google showed a road there in spite of the fact that the same map had a warning not to use the road in winter because of snow.

Even if Apple Maps App were 100% perfect there would still be those who would get lost, drive into rivers, etc then come on forums like this and scream "EPIC Failure.

 

[SporkLover]

Isn't the turn by turn provided by TomTom? So why not blame TomTom? On a whim, I decided to try out the new Maps app. I've never used a smartphone based maps app for navigation before, so I gave it shot today.

We went to Swansboro to look at houses. My wife has a real GPS device in the car and she programmed it. I decided to see what all the hate and discontent was all about, so I tried it on my iPhone 5.

Honestly, why all the bitching, whining, moaning, griping, and complaining? It worked for me. I actually liked the way it looked and even on Verizon's 3G, the thing kept up with me.

I actually think people just like bitching about some different.

Great area of the NC coast! I go back there often! I'll be in that area for Thanksgiving.

If you look at the third pic you posted, Currituck and Bodie are correctly marked, but across from Bodie is Sherwood, not Lois.

Inaccuracies have been a big complaint.

 

[cyks]

We went to Swansboro to look at houses.

Honestly, why all the bitching, whining, moaning, griping, and complaining? It worked for me. I actually liked the way it looked and even on Verizon's 3G, the thing kept up with me.

I actually think people just like bitching about some different.

Great area of the NC coast! I go back there often! I'll be in that area for Thanksgiving.

If you look at the third pic you posted, Currituck and Bodie are correctly marked, but across from Bodie is Sherwood, not Lois.

Inaccuracies have been a big complaint.

A problem just as big, if not bigger than inaccuracies, is missing information.

Less than a mile up the road from the images sk1wbw posted, Apple is missing a few hundred homes (and their appropriate streets/ addresses) from the new maps.

903 NC Highway 24E, Swansboro, NC

There's a large grouping of homes just south of that address, but, since they don't exist, I'm guessing that's not where his wife wanted to look. It's clearly visible in satellite view.