Stolen MacBook Pro Schematics Confirm Apple's Plans to Add More Ports and Remove Touch Bar

[fishkorp]

Well, if HDMI is what you need, and 2 Thunderbolt ports are still available, then I don‘t get why people are that upset about it. I have yet to see a single MB in the field using all 4 ports.

And please spare me the space constrained argument:
The 16 M1x whatever should have more space than the old Intels.

When at my desk, my 16” MBP always has all 4 in use. 2 for 2 UltraFine 5K displays and the other 2 for either TB drives (Samsung X5) or a TB 6 card reader. I’ll admit, I’m an outlier.

if previous history is repeated, dropping to 3 TB ports means this machine WILL NOT be able to drive 2 UltraFine 5Ks.

 

[flottenheimer]

Wow. Just wow!

 

[BuddyTronic]

I "like it" with ports I can use.

Don't drink and type.

well. That’s probably true.

I favor a PowerBook with lots of ports.

 

[Stephen.R]

Basically they took one of the slow USBs

Which "slow USBs" would that be? The 16" MBP has four USB-C/TB3 ports, all at the same speed.

After going for 4 usb ports across the M1 line, I doubt they would hardwire it.

It's hardwired on the M1 Mac mini. Please read posts before reply to them.

However, even if they do, it has IMO zero relevance for their sales numbers. 4 x 4K screens is a setup that affects very few people, and would result in nearly no lost sales. Having HDMI out of the box without a dongle makes live a lot easier for people on the road, plus a lot of private users. This will without doubt easily compensate for the few top pro users that you might loose on the upper end.

The ridiculous irony of this post. Every god damn time it comes up "Pro users want HDMI. Pro users still need SD cards". Oh actually what I meant was, bubba Joe wants to plug in his cheapo no-brand HDMI tv as a bigger screen and $25 is a bridge too ****ing far so let's gimp this $3K top of the line laptop to suit him.

Apple really values your constructive feedback. I would advise you contact them directly, as I’m sure they’d love to hear your (well worded) thoughts.

They'll get my feedback if and when the machine is released. I notice that you don't actually have any answer to any of the points raised. Can't even admit you don't care how it affects other users?

Well, if HDMI is what you need, and 2 Thunderbolt ports are still available, then I don‘t get why people are that upset about it. I have yet to see a single MB in the field using all 4 ports.

If HDMI is available with an adapter, and you have FOUR of the mother ****ers, and TB3 to Dual HDMI adapters are also available, I don't get why people are that upset about it. I have yet to see a single MB in the field using any HDMI ports.

See how that works?

 

[Kilibee]

I certainly did, frequently.

Could I have managed with a hub of some sort? Sure. I prefer not to, though.

So, that is basically the same point the HDMI folks are making.

Would you agree that many more people carry around a dock to attach an HDMI presentation or TV or whatever, than people using all 4 ports?

 

[Stephen.R]

It’s clear that the stress from having additional I/O options is getting a bit too much for you. Perhaps have a nap and once you’ve calmed down we can reconvene?

TIL, taking away USB-C ports is "additional I/O".

I don't need a nap mate. It's clear you can't actually answer the questions posed.

Imagine if when you said "but I need to use HDMI with a projector, and this makes it easier" I responded with "It's clear that using an adapter is too hard, go have a nap and we'll talk later. You're being juvenile because you have no other response to valid criticisms.

But what else is ****ing new in this place.

if previous history is repeated, dropping to 3 TB ports means this machine WILL NOT be able to drive 2 UltraFine 5Ks.

I'm sure you don't really need those. Just go buy a cheap-as-chips 4K 80 inch tv instead, it's better because it's more inches, right? 🙄

 

[abhibeckert]

MacRumors should really not report on this case, PARTICULARLY when they are asking for a ransom.

I don't see how demanding a ransom changes anything. Apple isn't going to pay the ransom because if they did, they'd demand even more money until eventually Apple refuses and it will be leaked anyway.

They'll officially ignore it, like they always do. They'll try to find out who released the information, like they always do. They'll take the leaker to court if they can, like they aways do.

Demanding a ransom just makes the penalty higher if they get caught. Also it will make this leak more interesting to the general media... and therefore even more likely for eveyone to know all the details within a few days regardless of wether or not MR publishes a story.

 

[Stephen.R]

So, that is basically the same point the HDMI folks are making.

No, it's not.

Let's say you have a house with four bathrooms, and each one has a "shower over bath" setup. So at any time you can have four people in a bath, or in the shower.

But Johnny doesn't like stepping over the bath tub so you renovate the house and take out the bathtub in one of them, so it's just a regular shower.



To give you a real world scenario:

You have two high-speed TB3 M2 SSDs, a Display, and a 10G TB3 ethernet adapter.

On a 2016 through 2020 MBP15/16 all can be plugged in, and none are starved for bandwidth. It doesn't matter what connection the Display uses - DP, USB-C, HDMI - it's just a matter of which cable you use.

On the hypothetical 2021 MBP16, you cannot connect them all, if the display is not HDMI. Or I dunno, you jam it into the SD card slot and wish really hard.

 

[Kilibee]

and a 10G TB3 ethernet adapter

If Apple follows the iMac Route, your 10G ethernet would come over mag-safe.

We‘ll see.

Nor my ranting nor your ranting will change the course of things here. These machines are ready to build and will be announced in summer. Time will tell.

 

[cmaverick]

Why is Apple design having a hard time understanding their own implementations and what users are saying about them


I haven't once heard someone say the touchbar was bad and should be absolutely removed. I think it's a novel and cool idea and would have loved to see it exist on more computers. With all Mac's having a keyboard option with it


THe problem Apple keeps bumping into is that it's not a replacement for the function key. it is a good addition to it. This sith like dealing with absolutes of all or nothing is just so infuriating to watch Apple make

A keyboard, with a full function row, AND a touch bar above it would be I think a wonderful keyboard

Actually there are all kinds of people who think the Touch Bar should be removed. They're all over this forum. Some people just hate change and like to hate on things. There's a lot of "well, I don't like it and I'm the most normal person ever so everyone thinks exactly like me blah blah blah"

I think your idea is perfect and the reasonable thing. I'm typing on a 2016MBP right now that I am dying to replace and there is plenty of room for both. I could easily lose a half inch of trackpad and I'd be fine.

BUT there'd still be people complaining. If apple offered two models that were exactly the same price, there'd be people complaining. At least the kinds of people who frequent message boards like this. It's performative and a desire to be "the most important"

In fact, I bet you if Apple made a 16" Air and a 16" Pro with identical CPU, RAM, GPU, ports, storage and screen and the only difference was that the Air had physical function keys and the Pro was $300 more with a Touch Bar, you'd have a flurry of people here screaming "why won't you fix the pro! No one likes this!!! Wah!!!"

 

[MrCrowbar]

There's USB C cables with magnetic connectors, i.e. the USB C bit can rotate freely and pops off when you pull on it.

Love those, way better than the actual magsafe 2 cable in day to day use. I wish I could find some where both ends are USB C so I can use the fast charging. As is, I can keep the Macbook Air at the same charge level and it slowly charges it when the screen is off.

 

[Jony Ive and Co.]

Why are you posting stolen information?

Why do you even care whether if it's stolen or not?

You are presumably on MacRumors because you want Apple rumors and leaks (I cant see why else you want to be on this site). At least me (and virtually everyone else here) is here for the rumors and leaks.

The only way to obtain rumors and leaks is through stolen / supply chain / accidents / internal sources (snitches) / basically any method that is unofficial, improper etc., otherwise the news wouldn't be rumors. The very intention of rumors is to glean as much info as possible, regardless of how the info is obtained. That's the whole point and fun of the rumor mill.

 

[Freeangel1]

Remove features
add back other features that were taken away
AND HIKE the price.
WATCH.

 

[amartinez1660]

Then you didn't read the entire article. The extortionist promises to leak more stolen info if Apple doesn't pay up. Nobody here should be supporting this. If they are then they are a truly an Apple hater. Extortionist should not be supported.

My issue with comments like these and similar others getting tons of dislikes is that the dislikers are sending the opposite message: “extortionist should supported”. Which is, in my world at least, downright wrong.

There’s also lots of conflating stolen with ransom attached information, the replies refer to “leaked”... as if it were the same thing. Or conflating that “Apple steals from us” when we go on our own accord without any gun pointed to our heads and willingly select and pay for any product.

Also, if this stolen+ransom data is the same as any previous leak or dubiously obtained info then it doesn’t make it all automatically ok with a free pass, on the contrary, it makes it all very wrong since the very first leaked news post and we have been supporting extortionists all this time.

By the way, those “happy” that Apple will have to pay... well, I don’t think they will, it’s Quanta first in line, and maybe even a smaller contractor for them. At which point this steal+ransom could be catastrophic for them and put them out of business which, again at least in my world, can’t be happy for that either.

 

[leman]

As long as they don't remove my four universal ports (two on it sides of the laptop), I'm fine with whatever port arrangement they can come up with. HDMI can be useful sometimes, don't care much for SD slot, but I know that others do.

Magsafe... I hope that it's just another misinterpretation or confusion. Going back to proprietary chargers that also take away more useful ports is a total step in the wrong direction as far as I am concerned. Magsafe has zero added utility over USB-C but comes with serious drawbacks.

 

[ggx12]

Why do you even care whether if it's stolen or not?

You are presumably on MacRumors because you want Apple rumors and leaks (I cant see why else you want to be on this site). At least me (and virtually everyone else here) is here for the rumors and leaks.

The only way to obtain rumors and leaks is through stolen / supply chain / accidents / internal sources (snitches) / basically any method that is unofficial, improper etc., otherwise the news wouldn't be rumors. The very intention of rumors is to glean as much info as possible, regardless of how the info is obtained. That's the whole point and fun of the rumor mill.

I think there is a difference between rumors and extrapolations from the supply chain and blackmail/theft/breach of NDA. You can go a long way by following closely a company without going into the illegal territory. For example, hedge funds famously track private flights to track M&A activities or look at satellite images of factories parking lots.

Personally, I am here because I am a big fan of Apple products and want to discuss and debate 'possibilities' with other fans, in good faith. Heck, I even like the fact that some employees supposedly follow some of our discussions. I might be very, very, naive but it kind of feels like I am part of some kind of family of technology enthusiasts that connect with the vision that computers are not just a bunch of components soldered together, but can and should be crafted with care and attention, and be in service of the users.

I don't have the chance to live in California so I know I will never be part of that team or even that industry, but at least, here I have the impression that I am still part of it in some kind of very limited way. I am also learning things (about processors, screens,...) that I would not learn anywhere else.

At the end of the day, nothing is black and white.

At the bad end of the spectrum you have hackers like the ones in this news (who clearly have ill intent), in the grey area, you have the 'star' leakers like Jon Prosser (who I think is just a fan and probably too stupid to realize the damage he's actually doing). Personally, I am not OK with either but I can understand why some people like Jon.

At the opposite end of the spectrum, you have people like John Gruber who tend to stay far away from the leaks but do provide interesting takes on where Apple is going. This is the stuff I am most interested in and I am sure a lot of people here are as well.

 

[Nuckss]

Smart move hacker, extort money from the largest computer company in the world with more military contracts you can shake a stick at. And don't think you can get caught and prosecuted. I believe this follows along federal crimes, I hope you enjoy your time in a Super Max. Maybe you can say hello to Ted Kaczynski and Robert Reid when you are in there.

How will authorities be able to arrest anyone in Russia?

 

[Nuckss]

Really? Please do share what Apple has actually done that's against the law in order to make money?

They avoid paying taxes like champs in a way that is very unethical but also very difficult to prosecute. Essentially freeriding on society.

 

[Stephen.R]

If Apple follows the iMac Route, your 10G ethernet would come over mag-safe.

10G eth was an example of something Apple don't provide out of the box, but that benefits from having a link to saturate.

Substitute with "FibreChannel" or "40G eth" or "high end video capture box" or whatever else you want.

 

[leman]

They avoid paying taxes like champs in a way that is very unethical but also very difficult to prosecute. Essentially freeriding on society.

Are you implying that they are engaging in tax fraud or similar illegal activities? Can you provide some examples?

 

[bobob]

It is very revealing that the MacRumors editors turned off the "top-rated comments" feature only for this particular article.

 

[simoss23]

Please include at least one USB-A port

 

[Td1970]

But in this case MR isn't posting rumors. They are posting about stolen information. You know, illegally-obtained stuff? Information that is being used to extort money from a company. While you're supporting the "journalism" hopefully you'll support the forthcoming price hike on Apple's future products if Apple has to give in to an extortionist.

Way to preach morals on a Tech site.

 

[Td1970]

Ha some are working extremely hard here attacking everyone's post who is against this illegal act of extortion. It's pretty easy to see who truly hates Apple here. Had this been Microsoft or Samsung that hard-working person attacking posts here would be supporting MS and Sammy against the extortionist. 😉

How’s the air up there on your moral high ground?

 

[patent10021]

Epic Games prolly hired a hacker out of spite.