I agree with jayb, "Get an HP" is much better! I think edesignuk should get an HP since he's not happy with Apple 
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Stop telling those who are not happy to get a Dell!!!
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Actually, HP aren't so bad, they make some very nice workstations, the XW6000 is FAST!Originally posted by amin
I agree with jayb, "Get an HP" is much better! I think edesignuk should get an HP since he's not happy with Apple
...but I'd rather spend that kind of money on a dual 2.6-3GHz G5...if one existed
We can all dream, cwedl.
Seriously, the Keynote SHOULD have announced $50 iPod minis.
But really, about the "get a Dell." comment. Even if it is meant as a "just shut up.", I can see where some of those people are coming from.
Personally, I like Apple, but I think it's overpriced. But, there are those who fanatically defend "their" company as if it was the physical expression of Holy Writ. (You can flame me.) Those who try to destroy every single comment that REMOTELY sheds less-than-holy light on Apple are, ironically, often the same ones who name-call anyone who says anything in favor of Wintel companies as "fanboys". Hmmm. To those of you (you know who you are) go look up the definition of "hypocrisy," then stand in front of a mirror and reflect (no pun intended).
This was not intended for the vast majority of you. Just those whose hypocrisy is unbearably annoying.
Cheers.
Seriously, the Keynote SHOULD have announced $50 iPod minis.
But really, about the "get a Dell." comment. Even if it is meant as a "just shut up.", I can see where some of those people are coming from.
Personally, I like Apple, but I think it's overpriced. But, there are those who fanatically defend "their" company as if it was the physical expression of Holy Writ. (You can flame me.) Those who try to destroy every single comment that REMOTELY sheds less-than-holy light on Apple are, ironically, often the same ones who name-call anyone who says anything in favor of Wintel companies as "fanboys". Hmmm. To those of you (you know who you are) go look up the definition of "hypocrisy," then stand in front of a mirror and reflect (no pun intended).
This was not intended for the vast majority of you. Just those whose hypocrisy is unbearably annoying.
Cheers.
really? that's anything but obvious
the keynote wasn't all that exciting. i want a free iphoto update. i think the minis are overpriced (they're too close tot he 15gb, not necessarily too much over the rios, etc)
i expect new powermacs, etc to come out in coming months. why? that's how it went last year.... not to mention that the rumors pointed towards them not being announced yet.
as minimally excited as i am about the announcements, i'd rather wait and see what's next than whine a ton about it... and to even bother to mention dumbasses who respond with "if you don't like it buy a dell" is just egging them on. idiots are idiots. best to let them be their own destruction
Re: Re: Re: Stop telling those who are not happy to get a Dell!!!
Decent hardware = G5
Compete with Wintel world = G5
If Apple does a speed bump every 2-6 months, how many people will be sitting there with their credit card going "I will wait another 4 months and see how much better they are". One of the nice things about Macs has been that they aren't obsolete after a year. I have my 400 Imac and my 450 Sawtooth. They have run everything excellently so far. The reason that Windoze has the market share that it does (partly) is because you have to get a new box every year to keep up. That's ok though since you can get a new box for $300. Market share is terribly overrated. Most Mac users also have a Windoze box because they are cheap. Marketshare will never favor the Mac.
Do not despair though. If you peruse this site you will find that Apple's marketshare in the media is about 25%, education marketshare is going back up, laptop marketshare is very competitive. Apple is gaining ground.
I want to see speedbumps just enough to keep up with the competition, but not so fast that my machine becomes obsolete within a year. I want to be addicted to Apple, just not an Apple junkie. I am not going to get itchy if I don't get my "speed" hit every 2 months or so. I can wait and have a slow burn for the next great thing.
Originally posted by edesignuk
Release some decent hardware, make it compete with offerings in the Wintel world and you (should) sell more. My god, how many people are sitting there with their credit cards right now ready to by a new Apple LCD, PowerMac G5 rev2. PowerBook G5, iMac G5, all that money they are not making because they take for ****ing ever to release anything. It drives me mad!
Decent hardware = G5
Compete with Wintel world = G5
If Apple does a speed bump every 2-6 months, how many people will be sitting there with their credit card going "I will wait another 4 months and see how much better they are". One of the nice things about Macs has been that they aren't obsolete after a year. I have my 400 Imac and my 450 Sawtooth. They have run everything excellently so far. The reason that Windoze has the market share that it does (partly) is because you have to get a new box every year to keep up. That's ok though since you can get a new box for $300. Market share is terribly overrated. Most Mac users also have a Windoze box because they are cheap. Marketshare will never favor the Mac.
Do not despair though. If you peruse this site you will find that Apple's marketshare in the media is about 25%, education marketshare is going back up, laptop marketshare is very competitive. Apple is gaining ground.
I want to see speedbumps just enough to keep up with the competition, but not so fast that my machine becomes obsolete within a year. I want to be addicted to Apple, just not an Apple junkie. I am not going to get itchy if I don't get my "speed" hit every 2 months or so. I can wait and have a slow burn for the next great thing.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Stop telling those who are not happy to get a Dell!!!
That's just the thing. They're not doing 'just enough' to keep up with the competition. That's why edesignuk suggested that there should/ could have been even the most minor of updates to satisfy the customers and to show that Apple is finally catching up.
That's just the thing. They're not doing 'just enough' to keep up with the competition. That's why edesignuk suggested that there should/ could have been even the most minor of updates to satisfy the customers and to show that Apple is finally catching up.
Shift from speedbumps at MacWorld
This has probably been mentioned by someone already. The main reason why there were no announcements of faster Powermacs or a G5 iMac is Apple's break from the bad habit of announcing these upgrades at Macworld.
There could very well be updates coming up very soon. Low key product announcments or individual keynotes will probably accompany them as they are ready.
Apple is tired of all the MacWorld hype impacting computer sales. If Apple releases newer models as they are ready, there won't be a decline in sales before Macworld.
I wouldn't worry about a 2.2GHz Powermac, they're coming.
This has probably been mentioned by someone already. The main reason why there were no announcements of faster Powermacs or a G5 iMac is Apple's break from the bad habit of announcing these upgrades at Macworld.
There could very well be updates coming up very soon. Low key product announcments or individual keynotes will probably accompany them as they are ready.
Apple is tired of all the MacWorld hype impacting computer sales. If Apple releases newer models as they are ready, there won't be a decline in sales before Macworld.
I wouldn't worry about a 2.2GHz Powermac, they're coming.
Re: Stop telling those who are not happy to get a Dell!!!
Hahahaha, that's the best comment I've heard in a while
Watching the Apple faithful at the keynote though, you might've thought otherwise. Steve Jobs feeds off the engery too, you can tell.
I thought it was funny when the m$ crew came up there to peddle m$ office 2004. The guy did some demo on taking notes or something, and 10 steps later he was like "See? Simple."
The temp in there dropped a few degrees when m$ showed up, and I swear the audience was being real conservative with the applause.
And my favorite line was the m$ spokeswoman who said something like "We couldn't have gotten to where we are now without Apple." Yeah, no kidding
Hahahaha, that's the best comment I've heard in a while
Watching the Apple faithful at the keynote though, you might've thought otherwise. Steve Jobs feeds off the engery too, you can tell.
I thought it was funny when the m$ crew came up there to peddle m$ office 2004. The guy did some demo on taking notes or something, and 10 steps later he was like "See? Simple."
The temp in there dropped a few degrees when m$ showed up, and I swear the audience was being real conservative with the applause.
And my favorite line was the m$ spokeswoman who said something like "We couldn't have gotten to where we are now without Apple." Yeah, no kidding
Don't buy Dell OR HP
Too often the reality is that because there are a handful of things that run on Windows but not MacOSX, it becomes the rallying cry for switching to Windows. It is a battle I face daily in my school district. That student information package doesn't work on MacOSX? We better buy Compaqs for the teachers. The phonological awareness program for the kids runs better on PCs and the vendor hasn't updated the mac version? Better get PCs for that too. Quicktime and iTunes don't play nice with proxy authentication? Better get PCs for that as well. Unfortunately, people are switching away from Macs in education, and for many administrators there are not enough compelling reasons to keep the macs.
Is that Apple's fault? No, the district could make wiser purchasing decisions. There are other options for all of the above stated problems. But those decisions are made without regard to the 6000+ mac using students in this district. Apple needs to keep the excitement going, and even though schools will not be purchasing top of the line systems, the perception needs to be there that if you wanted to, you can purchase a mac that will beat a comparable PC. I already believe that to be true for education needs, but the press Apple receives is what the administrators listen to.
Too often the reality is that because there are a handful of things that run on Windows but not MacOSX, it becomes the rallying cry for switching to Windows. It is a battle I face daily in my school district. That student information package doesn't work on MacOSX? We better buy Compaqs for the teachers. The phonological awareness program for the kids runs better on PCs and the vendor hasn't updated the mac version? Better get PCs for that too. Quicktime and iTunes don't play nice with proxy authentication? Better get PCs for that as well. Unfortunately, people are switching away from Macs in education, and for many administrators there are not enough compelling reasons to keep the macs.
Is that Apple's fault? No, the district could make wiser purchasing decisions. There are other options for all of the above stated problems. But those decisions are made without regard to the 6000+ mac using students in this district. Apple needs to keep the excitement going, and even though schools will not be purchasing top of the line systems, the perception needs to be there that if you wanted to, you can purchase a mac that will beat a comparable PC. I already believe that to be true for education needs, but the press Apple receives is what the administrators listen to.
Re: Re: Stop telling those who are not happy to get a Dell!!!
They were better for the world when their only product was a BASIC interpreter. You have to wonder how much they made from the Apple II CP/M card and their BASIC interpreter.
Originally posted by 5300cs
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And my favorite line was the m$ spokeswoman who said something like "We couldn't have gotten to where we are now without Apple." Yeah, no kidding
They were better for the world when their only product was a BASIC interpreter. You have to wonder how much they made from the Apple II CP/M card and their BASIC interpreter.
has it not occured to any of you people that apple will release other stuff in the next few weeks? they did it last year. and is it that big of a deal if you had to wait untill february for something? they've done that many times, don't expect them to release all there new stuff all at once. Apple has the right to release products as they see fit, you do not have a say in that, therefore, you do not have a right to complain like little children about it, therefore if you are not happy with it, you can go buy a dell, and there is no reason why i cant tell you that, you don't own apple, you cant tell them what to do and whine about it when they don't, weather or not your a fan of their products.
If they don't have the right to complain, then you don't have the right to tell them about it. They may not be able to control what products Apple release but many people do own a piece of Apple in their stock.
Before you get some idea that this is the U.S.A., forget it. These are the MacRumors.com forums.
then they can dump their stock and go buy a dell, just because they have some stock, still doesn't give them a say, so untill they have enough stock to have a say, then they can't tell apple what to go do with itself. you can't expect a company to do whatever you want it to just because you own 0.000001% of it, thats not the way things work, and complaining about it will get people nowhere
I was just thinking....
...which I know is very dangerous.
First, while you can pontificate endlessly, Apple doesn't have to listen to you unless you own stock and then you should own a lot.
Second, the original poster was describing the love-it-or-leave-it attitude that many people use when they say then 'go to Dell' and I have to say, that is awful, terrible, almost criminal advice. If someone were say furious about the last election (and please no political wrangling) would you say then go move to North Korea, no of course not.
So, what have we learned here, absolutely nothing.
...which I know is very dangerous.
First, while you can pontificate endlessly, Apple doesn't have to listen to you unless you own stock and then you should own a lot.
Second, the original poster was describing the love-it-or-leave-it attitude that many people use when they say then 'go to Dell' and I have to say, that is awful, terrible, almost criminal advice. If someone were say furious about the last election (and please no political wrangling) would you say then go move to North Korea, no of course not.
So, what have we learned here, absolutely nothing.
Re: Stop telling those who are not happy to get a Dell!!!
If you're not happy, get a Gateway.
Originally posted by edesignuk
After having said that, you all (well some of you) come along and tell me and anyone who is of my opinion to go and buy a Dell if youre not happy. Erm, yeah, great response, thanks for that.
Because I am not happy doesnt mean I will sell my existing Mac, give away my iPod, and become a dedicated Wintel fanboy.
I just dont understand you people who are so dedicated to Apple that they can do no wrong in your eyes. Apple are a large corporate company, who like every other company have a goal. To make money!
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If you're not happy, get a Gateway.
A lot of us around here like bitching about trivial matters now don't we. This is not a proving ground to demonstrate your verbal capabilities. Peace. Be friends.
I mean obviously we all have our own opinions that we like to get across but sometimes there is a limit that is often crossed on these boards. Evidently, when sites grow (in the case of forums), conflict will increase as each person wants to speak his/her mind, and though I may be being hypocritical, a lot of it is just not needed.
Now this is why IMHO sites like funmac are appreciated by their small user-base. There is no annoying bickering. Everyone is just there for a good time and to discuss stuff and increase their/and others knowledge. Therefore, once again: Peace. Be friends.
Now, feel free to flame me for being extremely hypocritical and shamelessly promoting a certain site that I'm affiliated with
I mean obviously we all have our own opinions that we like to get across but sometimes there is a limit that is often crossed on these boards. Evidently, when sites grow (in the case of forums), conflict will increase as each person wants to speak his/her mind, and though I may be being hypocritical, a lot of it is just not needed.
Now this is why IMHO sites like funmac are appreciated by their small user-base. There is no annoying bickering. Everyone is just there for a good time and to discuss stuff and increase their/and others knowledge. Therefore, once again: Peace. Be friends.
Now, feel free to flame me for being extremely hypocritical and shamelessly promoting a certain site that I'm affiliated with
plinkoman - You're dead wrong. People have every right to bitch about Apple or any other company on this planet. It's a free speech issue and you, like Joseph Stalin, seem to be trying to put an end to that. The only people who can "outlaw" that on these forums are the admins.
Your fanatism and your disregard for basic rights will be your undoing, plinkoman.
Your fanatism and your disregard for basic rights will be your undoing, plinkoman.
Going off on a tangent
I see a bigger problem here, one I run into every day in my work as a webmaster. If it's just information, it should be presented in a Web-accessible format. I don't know why people insist on using Word (or WordPerfect, or whatever product) proprietary formats for publishing plain old text!
Our school district will let you subscribe to an e-mail list about school closings (inefficient; the Web announcements are better), but they still publish their monthly newsletter only on paper and send it home with the students. People don't seem to really be getting that the Web is a new (well, new-ish) paradigm - it's silly to use it as just a way to distribute information that's still packaged for the old technologies.
Yet I still get, most every day, Word documents that I'm told to "just post as-is on the intranet".
I see a bigger problem here, one I run into every day in my work as a webmaster. If it's just information, it should be presented in a Web-accessible format. I don't know why people insist on using Word (or WordPerfect, or whatever product) proprietary formats for publishing plain old text!
Our school district will let you subscribe to an e-mail list about school closings (inefficient; the Web announcements are better), but they still publish their monthly newsletter only on paper and send it home with the students. People don't seem to really be getting that the Web is a new (well, new-ish) paradigm - it's silly to use it as just a way to distribute information that's still packaged for the old technologies.
Yet I still get, most every day, Word documents that I'm told to "just post as-is on the intranet".
".....a great mac year........."
Steve said that there were lotsa updates and cool things to come later in the year. If nothing happens in June, well, I'll just have to join you disapointed people.
WWDC 2004-I can't wait!
Think of how wonderful the G5 is, it's been out for less than a year, and already is in tower and xserve form. And the VA tech supercluster. In one year, how well was the original G4 updated? I think it was from 400MHz to 733MHz. I may be wrong. Maybe it was less. I hope for a 2.6GHz and beyond powermac g5 lineup by mid year.
Steve said that there were lotsa updates and cool things to come later in the year. If nothing happens in June, well, I'll just have to join you disapointed people.
WWDC 2004-I can't wait!
Think of how wonderful the G5 is, it's been out for less than a year, and already is in tower and xserve form. And the VA tech supercluster. In one year, how well was the original G4 updated? I think it was from 400MHz to 733MHz. I may be wrong. Maybe it was less. I hope for a 2.6GHz and beyond powermac g5 lineup by mid year.
While I certainly wouldn't be opposed to downloading the new version of iPhoto for free, I'm also not opposed to paying $49 ($29 edu) for it along with four other great apps.
I think $49 is generous enough.
THIS I agree with. I could have sworn I heard crickets chirping when Steve announced the mini's $249 price tag.
Yeah this would have been nice, but they just updated the PM line with the dual 1.8, so I certainly wasn't expecting them to announce new desktops.
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Apple is a product.
Buy it or not. A limited group, on either side, cares about what you do.
Steve and co. cares a rat's ass wether you leave or not. It's just a business and the bean counters are really counting and calling the shots, not Steve and the co-visionairies.
There was a certain cohesion between Apple and its users in the old days. It's not there now. Apple may be making what appears to be a superior product at these times, but from the viewpoint of someone who has been with them from before a large portion of the MacRumors posting base was even born, it's obvious that there is an agenda at work where loyalty doesn't hold as much strength as it used to.
C'est la vie, eh?
Buy it or not. A limited group, on either side, cares about what you do.
Steve and co. cares a rat's ass wether you leave or not. It's just a business and the bean counters are really counting and calling the shots, not Steve and the co-visionairies.
There was a certain cohesion between Apple and its users in the old days. It's not there now. Apple may be making what appears to be a superior product at these times, but from the viewpoint of someone who has been with them from before a large portion of the MacRumors posting base was even born, it's obvious that there is an agenda at work where loyalty doesn't hold as much strength as it used to.
C'est la vie, eh?