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Is that how stress testing is done?

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(Sorry, I'm so proud of that 5 minute photoshop job :p )

why is everything backwards on the phone???
 
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why is everything backwards on the phone???

This would be an AWESOME commercial. Imagine the apes smashing their old phones like they did the bones in the movie. The music da Da DA DADUMMMMMMMMM would play with the iphone rising in the background. They could even get that Geico caveman dude to do the commercial as a narrator or something!!

Then they could kill have their potential market by making some comment like "evolve" and guarantee that the religious conservatives never buy another Apple product again. :p
 
Flawless Execution

A very clever article perfectly placed in an average joe publication. This time around, the naysayers are no match for Apple's PR machine. It's almost like Apple has spent the last 10 years practicing for this launch. It has executed flawlessly on all fronts -- from Job's' best keynote ever in January to the recent new feature/day leaks to the tour, and public relations placements like this article on the testers. I smell a Harvard Business School case study.
 
Actually it was an attempt to create an inefficient system to slow down typists on early typewriters so that the keys would not jam

A typewriter that doesn't jam is more efficient than one that does. However, the Wikipedia article on the subject gives time to both explanations:

"The QWERTY keyboard layout was devised and created in the 1860s by the creator of the first modern typewriter, Christopher Sholes, a newspaper editor who lived in Milwaukee. Originally, the characters on the typewriters he invented were arranged alphabetically, set on the end of a metal bar which struck the paper when its key was pressed. However, once an operator had learned to type at speed, the bars attached to letters that lay close together on the keyboard became entangled with one another, forcing the typist to manually unstick the typebars, and also frequently blotting the document. [1] A business associate of Sholes, James Densmore, suggested splitting up keys for letters commonly used together to speed up typing by preventing common pairs of typebars from striking the platen at the same time and sticking together. The effect this rearrangement of letters had on maximum typing speed is a disputed issue. Some sources assert that the QWERTY layout was designed to slow down typing speed to further reduce jamming."

Back to the issue at hand--I won't be convinced either way until I can try the iPhone keyboard myself. The thing is, a device like the iPhone is pretty far from an old manual typewriter. I myself am comfortable with QWERTY, but why, on a virtual keyboard, can you simply not pick whatever key arrangement you like? Why does it even have to be standard?
 
A very clever article perfectly placed in an average joe publication. This time around, the naysayers are no match for Apple's PR machine. It's almost like Apple has spent the last 10 years practicing for this launch. It has executed flawlessly on all fronts -- from Job's' best keynote ever in January to the recent new feature/day leaks to the tour, and public relations placements like this article on the testers. I smell a Harvard Business School case study.

Wait for the reviews to come in. That will make or break the iPhone.
http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/23/new-details-about-the-iphone/

Some are already saying the QWERTY keyboard isn't all that great. Really the keyboard will be a make or break feature of the iPhone.
 
This would be an AWESOME commercial. Imagine the apes smashing their old phones like they did the bones in the movie. The music da Da DA DADUMMMMMMMMM would play with the iphone rising in the background. They could even get that Geico caveman dude to do the commercial as a narrator or something!!

Then they could kill have their potential market by making some comment like "evolve" and guarantee that the religious conservatives never buy another Apple product again. :p

Someone did this- it was posted on MR a while back, IIRC. Or at least some sort of parody on 2001.
 
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Personally, I'm looking forward to an iPod that has the multi-touch UI - that would be an awesome device. That, for me , is far more interesting than the iPhone

Erm, the iPhone is an iPod with a multitouch interface. Not sure how an iPhone sans the phone part would make a more interesting device. It would just be the same. Sans the phone.
 
There's no search function on the iPod section of the iPhone either.

Are you sure about this? Id be disappointed if true. Even the iPod nano has a search feature (granted I dont use it as it sucks to use a scroll wheel for text selection).
 
Are you sure about this? Id be disappointed if true. Even the iPod nano has a search feature (granted I dont use it as it sucks to use a scroll wheel for text selection).

Well, look at the demo video, at 8:40, they show the "more" options for browsing your library:

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I didn't see any search or 'bring up keyboard' button anywhere :(

True, 5G iPods and nanos have the search, but people rarely use it because entering text with the clockwheel kinda sucks. what a downgrade if the "best iPod they've ever made" does not have this feature.

EDIT: Here's the screen where you exchange he buttons in the bottom row.
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Hmm, maybe there's a gesture to do quick searches everywhere. I dig the swipe to the right thing to delete stuff. It would be cool if anywhere in the iPod (library, a playlist, etc.) you could swipe to the left to bring up the keyboard.

EDIT 2: Or how about this: In long lists (songs, contacts, bookmarks etc...) there's always the alphabet bar on the right. IT would be perfect to be able to drag it to the left to bring up the keyboard for quick search.
 
Erm, the iPhone is an iPod with a multitouch interface. Not sure how an iPhone sans the phone part would make a more interesting device. It would just be the same. Sans the phone.

Would it be though? It wouldn't need the EDGE, WiFi, or cellular chips, and you don't need a microphone or speaker so could pack more in the space/the same in a smaller space. Anyway, many people (including myself) NEED more than 8GB, so if possible, a spinning HD would be nice, at least as one of the options.

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I didn't see any search or 'bring up keyboard' button anywhere :(

True, 5G iPods and nanos have the search, but people rarely use it because entering text with the clockwheel kinda sucks. what a downgrade if the "best iPod they've ever made" does not have this feature.

You can scroll down the alphabet (should be enough with only a maximum of around 7.5GB songs) with the list on the right hand side (shown on this picture)

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You can scroll down the alphabet (should be enough with only a maximum of around 7.5GB songs) with the list on the right hand side (shown on this picture)

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The alphabet on the right will be a god send, but the cooler thing about the search is that it would bring up everything relating to your query.

Lets say I query 'KRS' - A track by Goldie ft KRS One would show on a search but not with the alphabet on the right.

Would it be though? It wouldn't need the EDGE, WiFi, or cellular chips, and you don't need a microphone or speaker so could pack more in the space/the same in a smaller space. Anyway, many people (including myself) NEED more than 8GB, so if possible, a spinning HD would be nice, at least as one of the options.

Im not denying any of this - more the notion that any kind of iPod with a multiitouch face would be more interesting than the iPhone, which IS the iPod with multitouch, but so much more. The lack of a radio transmitter, wifi etc wouldnt make for a smaller device either when you throw in a HDD.

Id rather have the flash memory. Im hoping Apple quickly moves to 16gb. I have a pretty large music collection but 16gb is more than enough with smart playlists.
 
Erm, the iPhone is an iPod with a multitouch interface. Not sure how an iPhone sans the phone part would make a more interesting device. It would just be the same. Sans the phone.


I thought you'd get the idea from my post that I was interested in just the iPod element in a iPhone UI product :). I have a phone that is far more functional than the iPhone, so iPhone is like, *YAWN*.

8Gig isn't large enough for one reason!

The iPod has been stagnant for years, so having a new UI would be a good step forward.
 
The real test will be when thousands of users begin to abuse it in 6 days. I guess we will know for sure within a month or so

and we know that a subset of the users will be not totally happy (due to very high expectations) and they will howl so loud they will be all over the web...but it is good to know apple is trying its best with the device.
 
A very clever article perfectly placed in an average joe publication. This time around, the naysayers are no match for Apple's PR machine. It's almost like Apple has spent the last 10 years practicing for this launch. It has executed flawlessly on all fronts -- from Job's' best keynote ever in January to the recent new feature/day leaks to the tour, and public relations placements like this article on the testers. I smell a Harvard Business School case study.

Very true - sheer brilliance. The no. of average consumers that know of this device that is not even available is incredibly high. If only the engineering and QC on this device is even close to the adeptness and execution of their marketing camapign, we have a small wonder.
 
Wait for the reviews to come in. That will make or break the iPhone. Some are already saying the QWERTY keyboard isn't all that great. Really the keyboard will be a make or break feature of the iPhone.

Like the last two Matrix films, I think the iPhone might be review proof. I think word of mouth reviews will prove more important. If your friends start telling you that they dislike their iPhone, then yes that spells trouble. Jobs knows his history. Would he really allow a release of Newton 2.0? Also, the iPhone has email featured as one of the four core applications plus SMS is the first listed of the other applications so it doesn't seem like Apple has de-emphasized typing. We'll see.

PS: Don't forget that CNet, Engadget, and Gizmodo constantly compete to see which one can hate Apple more so ignore those reviews and instead look to the mainstream media to see how it fares there.
 
I thought you'd get the idea from my post that I was interested in just the iPod element in a iPhone UI product :). I have a phone that is far more functional than the iPhone, so iPhone is like, *YAWN*.

You have a phone which has more features, perhaps. But features aren't everything. Windows has more features than the Mac, from what I can tell, but I still believe Mac is by far the better OS. Why? It is implemented better. It acts better. It doesn't crash. (Though XP tends to crash rarely... at least, tends not to blue screen often).

Windows seems like a clunky, poorly-put-together mash-up of an operating system. I've never used your phone, so I can't say how clunky/not clunky it would be. I have seen how the iPhone looks, and it appears to be absolutely not clunky.

There are two weak points for the iPhone, as I see it. First, third-party software cannot be made for it. I don't care what Steve Jobs says, web apps, while nice and quite powerful, are still not on par with true desktop-class applications. I agree with him that such applications could make the phone unstable, but some form of work-around must be reached! Second, lack of 3G, though with spotty coverage at best this isn't quite such a big deal. Still, I think a 3G phone may come out possibly even before the year is out - and I don't think it will make the current phone obsolete.

But despite these two problems, the iPhone is, in my opinion, significantly better than most other phones, as the quality of its implementation seems outstanding. However, as I've never used an iPhone, I cannot know for sure just how outstanding or not outstanding it is. But, as someone I know wants an iPhone and will be getting one, I'll see how it works then.
 
Like the last two Matrix films, I think the iPhone might be review proof. I think word of mouth reviews will prove more important. If your friends start telling you that they dislike their iPhone, then yes that spells trouble. Jobs knows his history. Would he really allow a release of Newton 2.0? Also, the iPhone has email featured as one of the four core applications plus SMS is the first listed of the other applications so it doesn't seem like Apple has de-emphasized typing. We'll see.

PS: Don't forget that CNet, Engadget, and Gizmodo constantly compete to see which one can hate Apple more so ignore those reviews and instead look to the mainstream media to see how it fares there.

Apple may not have de-emphasized anything but there is only so much you can do with a touch screen interface. As for cnet/engadget\etc. Well lets see. First off Engadget is a blog. They don't do reviews. They post other reviews. As for cnet\zdnet You obviously haven't been reading their reviews of Apple hardware over the last year. They like apple hardware. But stating it like it is does not equal hating Apple.
Again though. At $500-$600 the iPhone isn't aimed at the average consumer. Its aimed at fanbois and people who already have a smartphone. A crackberry or Treo who have very capable keyboards. If it comes down to people not being able to type with the iPhone they will loose that crowd.
 
Your right, features aren't everything, and neither is a pretty UI, with little functionality / flexibility - and that is what the iPhone is, IMO.

Yes, iPhone has those weaknesses:
1. No third party apps ( I'm not counting Web based applications that you need to connect to internet. Its not clear if you can save such apps locally - such as the shopping list example.)
2. No user replaceable batteries
3. No 3G
4. You probably can't operate the iPhone in one hand ( its a two handed phone ), and for me, this is a bit issue. Others won't care about this.

My phone does everything I need it to do, the iPhone doesn't. therefore, for me, personally, I prefer my phone over the iPhone, and thats my personal preference. Apart from the UI, other iPhone features make me *YAWN*... they are nothing special.

You have a phone which has more features, perhaps. But features aren't everything.
Windows seems like a clunky, poorly-put-together mash-up of an operating system. I've never used your phone, so I can't say how clunky/not clunky it would be. I have seen how the iPhone looks, and it appears to be absolutely not clunky.
 
Again though. At $500-$600 the iPhone isn't aimed at the average consumer. Its aimed at fanbois and people who already have a smartphone. A crackberry or Treo who have very capable keyboards. If it comes down to people not being able to type with the iPhone they will loose that crowd.

I disagree. I think Apple is trying to bring the more powerful class of phones to the more regular consumer. The iPhone is expensive, but even the average consumer may pay $150-$350 for an iPod already. (And remember, just a year or two ago, this was $250-$450!)

Then again, I think Apple is in a bit of a bad situation with the iPod currently. It is now a commodity item - it seems everyone has one, and they are starting to seem "cheap", and not all that valuable. By pricing the iPhone at $500, it makes it seem like a very valuable item, something which I think Apple wants.
 
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