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I haven't tried that before. I'd love to experiment with some lean Linux setups, but I'm a little put off by that Slitaz hasn't been updated in almost 8 years.


yes - thats their offical release...however it has weekly updates...which kinda makes it more uptodate than most distros....I think.
 
Ah ok. So that update log is misleading. I only did a quick look around and it looked like it was more or less abandonware.

I think they have a very small team that maintain it.
By the way - Ive had it running on an iMac from a bootup usb stick. (Thats a non-PPC iMac.)

There are some unique factors - system changes are done thru their Slitaz panel...and you have to alternate between being Tux (default user) to Root to make changes. Its their security factor. So check the little icon in the top right hand corner to see who you are.
 
"Faster" is relative. When comparing modern Linux to modern macOS or Windows 10 on a spinner disk, I can say from personal experience that most Linux distributions are usually faster during general operation.

However, we may start encountering problems to this argument when we're comparing almost 15 year old inherently lighterweight operating systems like Tiger and Leopard to modern Linux distributions, which are held to a completely different performance standard AND built primarily with modern machines in mind (and given that, it's a wonder that Linux on PowerPC performs as well as it does).

In which case, yeah, Linux (or more accurately, the user's choice of desktop environment) might not be faster. But the sheer capability, support, and security compared to 10.4 / 10.5 are what's mainly fueling the drive here.

It's not all just about the GUI. It's also about what that distro puts between the GUI and kernel.
 
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What do we have here? ;)

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It isn't real ubuntu 18.10, but close enough. I started with ubuntu 16.04 remix, then painstakingly either rebuilt or borrowed packages from debian 10. It's now roughly 70% updated. From binutils, coreutils, apt, gcc, libc, curl, gnutls, ca-certs all they way up to pcmanfm, mpv, mplayer, pithos, kernel etc etc. I've had to reinstall a few times and start over, but i've made notes along the way. My goal is to redo ubuntu16remix and make an unofficial 18.10 release. Maybe i'll call it Debuntu 18.10 (for ubuntu 18 and debian 10 mixture). First i have to see if i can do this without killing casper, as i want to still use ubuntu's livecd/installer. If that doesn't work out, i'll do a full writeup on how to achieve this, what NOT to install/upgrade, etc, in a step by step guide for the adventurous.

Cheers
 
It works! Well, i mean i didn't kill casper and ubiquity, so the live system still works. Now to clean it up and upload it. I'll be looking for testers for the installer. The live dvd works fine, i just don't have any more free drives / machines to test installation with. I'll post the link later. I'd like to know if it installs before i update my original post.

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Cheers
 
It works! Well, i mean i didn't kill casper and ubiquity, so the live system still works. Now to clean it up and upload it. I'll be looking for testers for the installer. The live dvd works fine, i just don't have any more free drives / machines to test installation with. I'll post the link later. I'd like to know if it installs before i update my original post.

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This sounds like exactly the sort of thing I'd like to try. I'll be keeping an eye out for the live disk!
 
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Perfect. You can be my test subject ;)
It'll be up later today. I need to verify everything yet, but so far, so good. Then the slow upload to google drive will probably take 3ish hours (1.9gb.iso). I loaded it up with goodies so that its useful as a live dvd, and to have a good experience out of the box once installed.
 
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Perfect. You can be my test subject ;)
It'll be up later today. I need to verify everything yet, but so far, so good. Then the slow upload to google drive will probably take 3ish hours (1.9gb.iso). I loaded it up with goodies so that its useful as a live dvd, and to have a good experience out of the box once installed.
Well, I have plenty of blank dvds to burn, and I'm not busy this evening, so if it goes well, I should be able to tell you how it works on my G5. I may have eyes for pp64 linux, but I wouldn't say it's there yet, and it also leaves G4 hardware in the dust. I realize we're looking at a general end of support for linux on 32-bit hardware, but that doesn't make it less sad.
 
Well, im testing the live dvd on my powerbook g4. Working well. Actually posting from the live disk now, and i'm verifying everything i "upgraded" didn't bust. If this works, it'll be the best of both worlds. Ubuntu's live system, ease of testing first, super easy install, and debians updated software (with the ability to continue updating it so long as debian-ports doesn't stop supporting ppc).
 
I'll have to try this out if you're distributing the image freely and if it'll work on a Mini. I've been wanting to try out Linux on it, but anything I've found is generally a few years old at least. I have MintPPC on my list to try as well, and hopefully I'll find something that suits my Linux needs. :D
 
Finally. Give it a whirl. If the installer works i'll be a happy man. Otherwise it's just a cool live dvd.
P.S. read the readme.txt on the dvd for some extra info, and you can ignore the initial crash report once the desktop loads.
 
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So, first impressions, the live dvd is giving me these errors after everything boots. So far it seems to work as a live disk otherwise.
 
Yeah, i got those too, but the software works regardless. I'll dig in to that. You can ignore them. I tried disabling the crash reporter, but it somehow gets re-enabled. Otherwise how does everything else work?
 
Well, I freed up the partitions that I use for Linux, and usually use the "install along side" installer option that, while basically never officially on instructions, usually works, but it didn't show up in the installer this time. Not that this'll be a problem, I know how to do it manually, I just fond it odd.

Correction, I didn't actually finish the job in GParted, got distracted in the middle and thought I had finished.

And there's the option. Let's see if it'll work.
 
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And this is where it ends. I've run into this before, like with Debian ppc64. I know that with knowledge of open firmware, I, could probably get past this when it does this, but I don't really know enough about it to do so.
 
Bummer. I bet you could use the live dvd to chroot in to that install and fix it. Get rid of the archaic OF naming of drives and just use /dev/sda4 or whatever that partition is. I've done it before when swapping drives from 1 machine to another. That same error would occur, until i fixed /etc/yaboot.conf and ran ybin -v.
I wonder if thats just random, or if it's an issue with my iso. Does Lubuntu 16.04 remix install and boot for you?
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Here's one of my "fixed" drives yaboot configs after chrooting in and editing yaboot.conf
Code:
boot="/dev/sda2"
device=/ht@0,f2000000/pci@7/k2-sata-root@c/@0/@0
partition=3
root="/dev/sda3"
timeout=50
install=/usr/lib/yaboot/yaboot
magicboot=/usr/lib/yaboot/ofboot
enablecdboot
 
Well, I know I'm installing to what the system thinks is the second disk. The system came with a 2.5" drive taped to the frame, and since I don't have any way to properly use the drive bay with it, without spending money, I've left it that way.I can't actually say your installer caused this issue, I know for sure that ppc64 Debian did, though. My first try, the stock Lubuntu 16.04 didn't cause this. Void Linux definitely hasn't done this, but Grub is a completely different animal.
 
Voids grub/kernel wont boot on anything other than my powerbook sadly. Anyway, i may have to bite the bullet and wipe something out to try myself. I did update yaboot to .17 over ubuntu 16's .16, but i doubt that's the issue. If it fails for me, i'll just chalk this up as a nifty live system for recovery or generic "afraid to install" play with linux system. Then write up a quick and dirty "how to update ubuntu 16 with debian sid packages" for the adventurous.
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Ahh, i just noticed you said "second disk". Sometimes (quite often actually) you need the linux boot drive to be in the upper bay (first drive) on a G5 or it wont boot. I bet this might be the case.
 
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Ahh, i just noticed you said "second disk". Sometimes (quite often actually) you need the linux boot drive to be in the upper bay (first drive) on a G5 or it wont boot. I bet this is the case.
Well, we're going to find out if that's the case, because I can see where yaboot.comf went very different.
Code:
boot="OF stuff"
root="UUID=some set of letters and numbers"
I've gotten it to boot Linux using this little patch of hard drive space before, so it can't hurt to try.
 
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Nope. The installer is broken. :(
So it's a good live system only. I will start over and just update 16.04 Remix with minimal updates. Then once it's installed i'll include a readme.txt with a walk through to update the rest. I have a feeling updating the base system before installing may have broken ubiquity silently.
 
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And this is where it ends. I've run into this before, like with Debian ppc64. I know that with knowledge of open firmware, I, could probably get past this when it does this, but I don't really know enough about it to do so.

The Fienix ISO always does this when I try as well. I've gotten it to boot by changing everything past "pci@5" to the correct Open Firmware path to the root USB drive FS, but then it just throws a VFS error halfway through booting the OS.

@wicknix, I've just recently gotten the chance to try again, and even when disconnected from Ethernet, Ubiquity in Ubuntu 16.04 Remix will always hang at "Saving installed packages...". It's done this on every Mac I try.
 
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Strange. I've never seen that before myself. The original remix has worked on multiple devices, including many here on this forum. These old macs are strange some times. :confused:
At any rate, i'm 80% done with my second attempt. Problem now is i'm out of blank dvd-r's to test with. Heh.
 
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